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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2006, 09:17:16 AM »
In other words, you are claiming that MD is not perfect?!  :o Such nonsense cannot go unpunished.  :-* I have to call our lawyer..  ;D



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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2006, 09:22:20 AM »
Flex still outsells the others by a wide margin.  MuscleMag is #2.  Ironman and MD are tied for last.  Though no other mags have the courage to be audited, the numbers are well known in the supp industry, and they're pretty pathetic for the other mags.  The reason why Flex gets over 5 times more per ad page than MD for example is because they outsell them by that much.

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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2006, 09:23:48 AM »
Those pesky Swedish punks!  :D

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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2006, 01:33:34 PM »
Insider - did you run a report on all the other magazines as well or just FLEX? All magazines are hurting over the past 3 years, why not post the numbers of the other mags for us to see how they all compare?

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are you being reimbursed for your IFBB/Flex/Weider/Manion/AMI internet damage control services?

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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2006, 01:38:57 PM »
Was'nt it only a few weeks ago that we were told that "the weider pubs are doing fine"?  I could swear that I remember reading that on here. ::)
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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2006, 01:46:04 PM »
Thanks for the clarification mang. I need to check out that Romano column then. Still wonder why you think it was targeted at you. Did he mention your handle in the column or something?

getbig was way different back then.  When I posted my first animated gif:

it was some kind of culture shock, like a 3rd dimension of posting had been invented, graphic satirical media or something.  

Then, after a lot of Craig Titus stuff was going on (he denied being the undercover pro), I launched a fake website about the undercover pro in which Craig "told all":

www.smackdaddymusic.com/up.htm

Most of the world thought it was real.  Mayhem went crazy at the content.  BBing.com went crazy.  Titus called Ron and threatened lawsuits.  Titus sent me threats via PM, etc.  Lots of fake pages and animated gifs followed.

After that  U Pro fiasco, MD wrote about it the next month.  John Romano called out "message board members who make little animated slideshows and fake websites", and I was the only one did those.

Since then, I have really stopped doing those.  I like to invoke some discussions here, push a few buttons, etc, but I really don't think I'm negative enough to warrant the extreme hatred that some people give me.  Oh well... if I'm still here after my personal info was posted, I"m not going anywhere.  My wife knows that we make a good living from the message board antics, and there are side effect- prank calls, etc, that come with it.  Competition gets dirty too, when you start grabbing every available site out there.  But yeah, that's where the MD reference came from...

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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2006, 02:15:12 PM »
You're right.

I can still get a horse-and-buggy ride in many places. 

Actually in Denver you can.  It is fun too.

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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2006, 02:17:03 PM »
How are the numbers for the NPC magazine.

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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2006, 02:20:56 PM »
HAHA yes you can but you know my point Tre. Are you going to take your laptop into the can to read? err... don't answer that.  ;D

LOL!  You're right - until multiple plasma screens are a fixture at every checkout in the world, there will always be a place for print magazines. 

If I'm a magazine publisher, then I'm heading to boards like this to find the most knowledgeable and entertaining writers and requesting that they submit some articles to me.  I know 240 has a lot of detractors, but the kid does have a lot of readers.  I'm not saying he's 'The Chosen', but there are other guys here who get a lot of interest whenever they post. 

I don't know what the general content of the mags is like these days (although I did purchase Nov '05 MD to read Chad's anti-internet article), but I do see a lot of long-time supporters saying that they only buy the magazines these days out of a sense of loyalty or force of habit.  I stopped buying several years ago, because I was tired of seeing recycled content and the same old faces month-after-month.  The print magazines that thrive do so because of their freshness, something this industry (read: Weider Pubs) has never quite grasped.






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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2006, 02:22:44 PM »
Anyone who knows anything about media knows that the internet has hurt sales of all forms of print media, not just flex magazine.  Newspaper sales and magazine subscriptions across the board have dropped off significantly with the prevelance of internet sites.   

Is that the reason the IFBB is so anti-internet? 

hehe

The people who control the print media have failed to adapt with the times.  So, it's their own fault that they're failing.  Improve the product if you want to stay in the game.

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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2006, 02:24:32 PM »
  What are the numbers for the other BB mags?

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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2006, 02:35:45 PM »
Any magazine that glorifies steroid monsters deserves to go bankrupt.
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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #37 on: April 20, 2006, 02:41:28 PM »
  What are the numbers for the other BB mags?

Muscle & Fitness is around 400K
Flex is aournd 120K
MuscleMag is around 60K
Ironman and MD are around 20K

Those are just North American.  Muscle & Fitness and Flex have major numbers worldwide.  The others don't.  Ron has posted the numbers before, as he works in the supp industry, where the numbers are well-known because they determine ad rates.  Weider Pubs have actually increased market share (and ad rates).



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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2006, 02:44:27 PM »
Muscle & Fitness is around 400K
Flex is aournd 120K
MuscleMag is around 60K
Ironman and MD are around 20K

Those are just North American.  Muscle & Fitness and Flex have major numbers worldwide.  The others don't.  Ron has posted the numbers before, as he works in the supp industry, where the numbers are well-known because they determine ad rates.  Weider Pubs have actually increased market share (and ad rates).




   Wow. Muscle and Fitness is dominant, while MD and Ironman are jokes ;D

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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2006, 02:46:40 PM »
   Wow. Muscle and Fitness is dominant, while MD and Ironman are jokes ;D

And Readers Digest probably blows M&F out of the water.  Which would you rather read?

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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2006, 02:46:45 PM »
People rather go online for their BB info ... plain and simple


Yep.

It's the internet that's killing the magazines.


But, the money in the "industry" comes from supplement sales, not the mags. The magazines were just an intermediary...they take supplement company money in the form of ads, and pay some out in athlete contracts and show sponsorships.

The death of the mags would just cut out the middleman, that's all.

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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2006, 02:51:26 PM »
And Readers Digest probably blows M&F out of the water.  Which would you rather read?

  Readers Digest and Muscle and Fitness are not similar, so the comparison doesn't make much sense. I was just shocked at how insignificant MD was :-\

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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2006, 03:20:41 PM »
Muscle & Fitness is around 400K
Flex is aournd 120K
MuscleMag is around 60K
Ironman and MD are around 20K

Those are just North American.  Muscle & Fitness and Flex have major numbers worldwide.  The others don't.  Ron has posted the numbers before, as he works in the supp industry, where the numbers are well-known because they determine ad rates.  Weider Pubs have actually increased market share (and ad rates).


Interesting debate that I’ve kicked off here…The facts at hand are that Flex is down and there is 3rd party data that backs up this statement. 

Undermind, where is your source for the numbers that you posted above?  What references do you have for your statements on all of these magazines and their circulation?  Without a credible reference you are doing nothing more than blowing smoke and giving YOUR opinion.

From what I hear in the industry, MD is the most popular and fastest growing publication in the bodybuilding category, especially since their recent chain-wide distribution into Walmart, Albertson’s, and Walgreens. 

It’s true that the other magazines are not audited, however it cannot be disputed that Flex’s circulation is down by nearly 1/3rd over the last 3 years. 

As a reminder from a previous post on a similar topic, once again I give you Flex magazine’s second half of 2005 numbers direct from ABC and min.  1st quarter 2006 numbers are not available yet.

March 6, 2006
Media Industry Newsletter (min)
Vol. 59 No. 10

Second Half 2005 Magazine Analysis

Flex Rate Base/Circ Guarantee
None claimed

Single Copies (%) (Newsstand Sales)
70,529 (-7.3%) 
This is not a sign of poor customer service, producing a withering product editorially is most likely the culprit for the decline in sales here.

Subscriptions (%)
41,111 (-13.4%)
This decline looks to be right on par with your customer service woes.

Total (%)
111,640 (-9.6%)

Ouch!!!

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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2006, 03:22:41 PM »
Interesting debate that I’ve kicked off here…The facts at hand are that Flex is down and there is 3rd party data that backs up this statement. 

Undermind, where is your source for the numbers that you posted above?  What references do you have for your statements on all of these magazines and their circulation?  Without a credible reference you are doing nothing more than blowing smoke and giving YOUR opinion.

From what I hear in the industry, MD is the most popular and fastest growing publication in the bodybuilding category, especially since their recent chain-wide distribution into Walmart, Albertson’s, and Walgreens. 

It’s true that the other magazines are not audited, however it cannot be disputed that Flex’s circulation is down by nearly 1/3rd over the last 3 years. 

As a reminder from a previous post on a similar topic, once again I give you Flex magazine’s second half of 2005 numbers direct from ABC and min.  1st quarter 2006 numbers are not available yet.

March 6, 2006
Media Industry Newsletter (min)
Vol. 59 No. 10

Second Half 2005 Magazine Analysis

Flex Rate Base/Circ Guarantee
None claimed

Single Copies (%) (Newsstand Sales)
70,529 (-7.3%) 
This is not a sign of poor customer service, producing a withering product editorially is most likely the culprit for the decline in sales here.

Subscriptions (%)
41,111 (-13.4%)
This decline looks to be right on par with your customer service woes.

Total (%)
111,640 (-9.6%)

Ouch!!!


   MD is probably the fastest growing because it had no readers in the first place ;D

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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2006, 03:36:27 PM »
Any magazine that glorifies steroid monsters deserves to go bankrupt.

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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2006, 03:38:52 PM »
Why do you hate Baseball Weekly?

That was pretty good

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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2006, 04:05:16 PM »
Flex still outsells the others by a wide margin.  MuscleMag is #2.  Ironman and MD are tied for last.  Though no other mags have the courage to be audited, the numbers are well known in the supp industry, and they're pretty pathetic for the other mags.  The reason why Flex gets over 5 times more per ad page than MD for example is because they outsell them by that much.

I don't know the exact numbers of any current muscle magazine and could give a hoot. However, if the current trend in sales drop is true for FLEX it reflects what I think and perhaps others. I was a pretty reg reader and subscriber to FLEX for MANY years until a year ago. I have been a subscriber of MD for the past couple years.
MD seems to cover the sport as it is. I have nothing against FLEX, but when they feature WWE pro wrasslers on the cover  and in in feature artcles, count me out.
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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2006, 05:41:56 PM »
I guess the thing that I hate the most is the sub-par contest coverage.  The latest FLEX gives just 5 pages to the Ironman...5 FREAKIN' pages to the #3 or 4 contest on the IFBB schedule.

Yet the same Mag ccan give 8 or 10 pages to half naked fitness chicks.  If I want porn, I'll buy it.  I want a BB mag...that's why MD gats my $7 every month.

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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #48 on: April 20, 2006, 06:04:30 PM »
wow...I wonder which magazine IndustryInsider works for...

Some people prefer FLEX, some prefer MD or others...that's it.

These boards can be great if everyone spends less time slamming other people and the mags and have constructive conversations, and unless there are baseline numbers for the industry as a whole, the numbers that are being quoted regarding sales are meaningless-except as a propaganda attack on a competitor.

just my 2 cents

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Re: Flex Mag Circulation Woes Revealed…
« Reply #49 on: April 20, 2006, 06:25:54 PM »
wow...I wonder which magazine IndustryInsider works for...

Some people prefer FLEX, some prefer MD or others...that's it.

These boards can be great if everyone spends less time slamming other people and the mags and have constructive conversations, and unless there are baseline numbers for the industry as a whole, the numbers that are being quoted regarding sales are meaningless-except as a propaganda attack on a competitor.

just my 2 cents

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