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Deadlift question
« on: November 14, 2020, 06:10:13 PM »
Recently i pulled 455x4 last night i tried for 495 and it wouldnt budge. I couldnt get it moving at all. Is this mental? I know im strong enough past results show it. What gives? Any ideas?

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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2020, 07:35:48 PM »
Deadlifting is about building a routine

If your trying to reach let’s say 2-3 reps on a big weight

You warm up with 135

2 sets of 10-15

Then 225 2 sets of 8

Skip 315 ( this takes much much training and good legs )

1 set of 12 with 405

Then hit 495

I did this routine while I was competing and weighing around 210-220 lean off season of even close to a show

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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2020, 08:20:26 PM »
You shouldn't have pulled 455 for reps if you were trying to max at 495.
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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2020, 08:44:40 PM »
Yeah, shouldn't have tried 495 after reps with 455. #495 is even a bit out of range if you're getting 455 x 4, you might get it, but it would be a grinder.

Pick a day you feel good, then do a few reps with a low %, then something like 3-5 reps at 60% for 1 set, then 3 at @70% for one set, then 1 - 2 reps at 80% for 1 set, 90% for 1 rep, 1 set. Then try the max or tiny record break. Also you need real rest between reps, 3- 5 minutes each set.   

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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2020, 12:58:19 AM »
"I know I'm strong enough"

Whether mental or physical, you obviously are not strong enough.  ::) ???
This whole question made me laugh, like how in the hell could anyone say what the problem is without knowing the guy or seeing him lift? :D

It sounded to me like the 455 wasn't done in the same workout, it was "recently".


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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2020, 01:33:49 AM »
Yeah, shouldn't have tried 495 after reps with 455. #495 is even a bit out of range if you're getting 455 x 4, you might get it, but it would be a grinder.

Pick a day you feel good, then do a few reps with a low %, then something like 3-5 reps at 60% for 1 set, then 3 at @70% for one set, then 1 - 2 reps at 80% for 1 set, 90% for 1 rep, 1 set. Then try the max or tiny record break. Also you need real rest between reps, 3- 5 minutes each set.

Yeah this^ you have to work up to the max lift then have session like the one outlined here to hit it....

You were already toast after maxing out those few reps on 455, that's it job done for the day...

Do a few more sessions build up some more strength, then go for it again as laid out above,

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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2020, 02:27:50 AM »
For max attempts you want to conserve as much energy as possible, as little warm-ups or reps as possible, just enough to stay safe and prime the nervous system for the movement. What bb suggested is great but I do way less. Doing reps with say even 70% would take away from my max attempt - that's me personally.

Say I wanted to do a PR triple with 740lbs, I would do only singles after 315lbs, sometimes singles starting at 225. As fast singles as possible, no resisting at all on the negative to conserve energy.

I've done a shitload of deads in my life, would be surprised if anyone did more on this forum. From age 15 to 43, consistently every week unless sick. Back is still fine, knock on wood. :D

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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2020, 03:25:35 AM »
For max attempts you want to conserve as much energy as possible, as little warm-ups or reps as possible, just enough to stay safe and prime the nervous system for the movement. What bb suggested is great but I do way less. Doing reps with say even 70% would take away from my max attempt - that's me personally.

Say I wanted to do a PR triple with 740lbs, I would do only singles after 315lbs, sometimes singles starting at 225. As fast singles as possible, no resisting at all on the negative to conserve energy.

I've done a shitload of deads in my life, would be surprised if anyone did more on this forum. From age 15 to 43, consistently every week unless sick. Back is still fine, knock on wood. :D

As you mention everyone is different, I couldn't get warmed up enough with that little volume.

It's a good guide to do enough that your fully warmed up and primed for the lift, but before the volume fatigues at all.

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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2020, 08:43:26 AM »
Recently i pulled 455x4 last night i tried for 495 and it wouldnt budge. I couldnt get it moving at all. Is this mental? I know im strong enough past results show it. What gives? Any ideas?
Set of four. So lift it, take a new breath, lower, touch and up?
Or 4 single lifts in a row, releasing the tension in between?

Deads are different. If you did it the former way then it doesn't translate in the same way tha say squat and bench does.

With touch and go set you'll almost always get atleast a second rep if you get the first.

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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2020, 10:21:58 AM »
The 455x4 was at least a month ago. It blew me away because it was the first time I had deadlifted since my gym closed way back in march. Also my previous best had been 405x2 so i crushed that and ive...been lazy since. Havent done any heavy legs havent been hitting my glutes hips etc. Next week or so when i deadlift again ill take the advice on here and do less volume working my way up. My routine deadlifting is always the same

135x10
225x8
315x6
Used to be 365x2 or 4 then it was 405x2

I never thought i would get past 405. Hitting 455 was awesome but it just makes me want 495 even more.

So out of curiosity being able to hit 455x4 does NOT imply i have the strength to pull 495? How can that be?

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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2020, 11:15:04 AM »

So out of curiosity being able to hit 455x4 does NOT imply i have the strength to pull 495? How can that be?

#455 x 4 winds up as a #495 1rm at the tippity top of all the conversion scales / theories. Just from observation, that #495 will probably be a grindy rep, and more often than not most folks will be a tiny bit under it rather than exceed it. The only way to know is to go try it :).

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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2020, 11:17:56 AM »
The 455x4 was at least a month ago. It blew me away because it was the first time I had deadlifted since my gym closed way back in march. Also my previous best had been 405x2 so i crushed that and ive...been lazy since. Havent done any heavy legs havent been hitting my glutes hips etc. Next week or so when i deadlift again ill take the advice on here and do less volume working my way up. My routine deadlifting is always the same

135x10
225x8
315x6
Used to be 365x2 or 4 then it was 405x2

I never thought i would get past 405. Hitting 455 was awesome but it just makes me want 495 even more.

So out of curiosity being able to hit 455x4 does NOT imply i have the strength to pull 495? How can that be?

Only started doing deadlifts again during the start of.lock downs. I throw in a fair bit of warm up sets.

60kg x 5
100kg x 3
120kg x 3
140kg x 3
160kg x 2
180 kg x 2
200kg x 1 (belt)
220 kg x 1 (chalk, belt)

Lifts are done double overhand grip.



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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2020, 11:21:40 AM »
I've never understood the rationale for deadlifting exercises. All I see is a blown out back and unnecessary hernias. Just a stupid lift in my opinion.

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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2020, 11:36:48 AM »
I've never understood the rationale for deadlifting exercises. All I see is a blown out back and unnecessary hernias. Just a stupid lift in my opinion.

I have no special rationale for doing them except that I love them. Primal, aggressive lift. Some people's minds balk at them but for me they are easier psychologically than max squats. Deads have been like a religion to me, I've had long stretches where all I've done is deads lol.

Yes I have an umbilical hernia, may have been from deads, though I think it started from heavy dumbell cross-bench pullovers. I've blown out my back a few times but no lasting problems so far. Whenever I get away from deads I tend to tweak my back.

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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2020, 12:26:53 PM »
Yesterday's workout called for 20 sets of 3 - 3 three reps every 45 seconds for 15 minutes.  Try to pick a weight that makes last set very hard.
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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2020, 12:56:01 PM »
I have no special rationale for doing them except that I love them. Primal, aggressive lift. Some people's minds balk at them but for me they are easier psychologically than max squats. Deads have been like a religion to me, I've had long stretches where all I've done is deads lol.

Yes I have an umbilical hernia, may have been from deads, though I think it started from heavy dumbell cross-bench pullovers. I've blown out my back a few times but no lasting problems so far. Whenever I get away from deads I tend to tweak my back.

Think about your future physical well-being, bro. It ain't fun gimping around in your 40's and 50's because you didn't check your ego at the door.

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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2020, 02:20:30 PM »
So out of curiosity being able to hit 455x4 does NOT imply i have the strength to pull 495? How can that be?

A few things:

You say it's been a month since you did the 445 for four reps set.  What did you do in the month between that and trying to pull 495?

455x4 is easily a 495 1 RM, maybe more.  But you said yourself, prior to your record with the 455, your previous best was a double with 405.

Think about that for a sec broski.  To make that jump alone was something of a miracle.  When you pulled 405x2, did you expect to single with 455, let alone much more? 

How, then, are you going to improve your 1RM by 50 pounds plus in just a couple or three workouts?!

Mike, I dunno what, if anything, you're running.  If you are "on," I would say you should keep doing whatever.  Even still, breaking 500 requires a plan -- and I don't just mean a good, non-tiring warm-up routine.  I mean a weeks-long plan.

The 455 is still very new to your system.  Master it with sets of flawless singles and, depending on your schedule, try an equal number of sets of doubles in the next phase. 

I would then drop the volume a hair but raise the weight a little -- say, going from 4-6 sets of 455x2 to 3-5 sets of 460 for three.  Deload a little, ease back into it, and in short order, you'll have 475 for sets of doubles. 

At that point, 500 should be an easy single.

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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2020, 02:23:33 PM »
135-20,225-12,315-5,405-3,460-1,495-1

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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2020, 02:36:07 PM »
A few things:

You say it's been a month since you did the 445 for four reps set.  What did you do in the month between that and trying to pull 495?


455x4 is easily a 495 1 RM, maybe more.  But you said yourself, prior to your record with the 455, your previous best was a double with 405.

Think about that for a sec broski.  To make that jump alone was something of a miracle.  When you pulled 405x2, did you expect to single with 455, let alone much more? 

How, then, are you going to improve your 1RM by 50 pounds plus in just a couple or three workouts?!

Mike, I dunno what, if anything, you're running.  If you are "on," I would say you should keep doing whatever.  Even still, breaking 500 requires a plan -- and I don't just mean a good, non-tiring warm-up routine.  I mean a weeks-long plan.

The 455 is still very new to your system.  Master it with sets of flawless singles and, depending on your schedule, try an equal number of sets of doubles in the next phase. 

I would then drop the volume a hair but raise the weight a little -- say, going from 4-6 sets of 455x2 to 3-5 sets of 460 for three.  Deload a little, ease back into it, and in short order, you'll have 475 for sets of doubles. 

At that point, 500 should be an easy single.
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Ok. I made the jump in weight because (i think) i have been putting effort into my glutes. I never used to. I have an A and B leg workouts which ive detailed here in the past. One day i squat heavy and then hit sissy squats and extensions hams calves get 1 exercise each. About 3 days later i hit reverse lunges romanian deadlifts and bulgarian split squats. Hams calves again. I swear by this routine. I had been hitting it for about 5-6.weeks at home before the gym opened back up.


Also it been more like 3 weeks not a whole month if that matters.

Anyway i appreciate the input.

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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2020, 05:36:32 PM »
Recently i pulled 455x4 last night i tried for 495 and it wouldnt budge. I couldnt get it moving at all. Is this mental? I know im strong enough past results show it. What gives? Any ideas?

whats your program? dup?

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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2020, 05:55:58 PM »
I’d go 135 for 10,225 for 8,315 for 2,405 for 1 then 495 for 1.then two the way back down.but 455 for 4 smoked you.

When I was a heavy bencher years ago I would warm up with 225 for 20 then 315 3,405 for 1,495 for 1.When I repped 315 and 405 I couldn’t get 495.so I would just rep them all on the way down.

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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2020, 06:32:08 PM »
You could always do 225 for 100 reps

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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2020, 06:51:16 PM »
At the end it's all vanity, we all die in the end

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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2020, 10:17:01 PM »
At the end it's all vanity, we all die in the end

And nothing really matters!
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Re: Deadlift question
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2020, 09:28:08 AM »
And nothing really matters!
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