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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54981425

"New cars and vans powered wholly by petrol and diesel will not be sold in the UK from 2030, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said.
But some hybrids would still be allowed, he confirmed.
It is part of what Mr Johnson calls a "green industrial revolution" to tackle climate change and create jobs in industries such as nuclear energy."

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Re: Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2020, 01:58:05 PM »
It's the hip thing to do these days.  Force a policy that you do not have a plan for and hope it works.  In 2 years they will change the plan completely, then 2 years later.

I think we need to move in the right direction, but banning things before you have a real solution to replace them is quite ignorant.  Doesn't surprise me.

Biden will do the same thing, or at least try to.

My friend works for a very large transportation company in the US.  He's been told the company is going to announce a "Neutral by 2040" to match Amazons.  They don't have a clue how to implement such a thing, but they want to be seen as one of the "good guys".  One of the partners of the company admitted they will just copy whatever Amazon does, but he believes it will fall apart in 4-5 years.

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Re: Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2020, 02:29:17 PM »
Next headline:

"Government bans cancer from 2030 onward."

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Re: Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2020, 02:50:41 PM »
Next headline:

"Government bans cancer from 2030 onward."

 ;D

They might try one day...

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Re: Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2020, 08:08:30 PM »
Harley-Davidson is gone E-Bike , Serial 1 will be out in 2021 !.

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Re: Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2020, 09:07:05 PM »
E cars are pretty cool, i have driven a few teslas, but the cost associated with the good ones and the "green" footprint is silly. Plus they can't drive a decent distance without charging or being a hybrid with gasoline.

We need 10-20 more years of research and they will replace everything, in time.

It's ok to move this direction, but banning things before you have a real "green" solution shows ignorance.

Don't get me started on wind and solar energy.  ::)

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Re: Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2020, 09:26:02 PM »
E cars are pretty cool, i have driven a few teslas, but the cost associated with the good ones and the "green" footprint is silly. Plus they can't drive a decent distance without charging or being a hybrid with gasoline.

We need 10-20 more years of research and they will replace everything, in time.

It's ok to move this direction, but banning things before you have a real "green" solution shows ignorance.

Don't get me started on wind and solar energy.  ::)

I suspect it can be sooner than 10 years if - IF - subsidies, tax credits, etc. for EV are dropped, forcing them to compete against ICE cars.

Wind, solar, and other renewables should also compete against FF without their massive subsidies.  The technology should evolve based on market needs.

No luddite here - I want to drive a car like George Jetson's. 


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Re: Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2020, 03:21:37 AM »
UK has plans to build a large number of new nuke plants.

Thus the political need to increase electricity usage to justify the plants.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54703204

Rolls-Royce plans 16 mini-nuclear plants for UK.

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Re: Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2020, 09:38:27 AM »
I suspect it can be sooner than 10 years if - IF - subsidies, tax credits, etc. for EV are dropped, forcing them to compete against ICE cars.

Wind, solar, and other renewables should also compete against FF without their massive subsidies.  The technology should evolve based on market needs.

No luddite here - I want to drive a car like George Jetson's. 



I agree, in time some of the green energy will prove more valuable than it is today.  Right now it doesn't make much sense to use on a larger scale, but with advances in technology it can be something that gets better with time.

It just bothers me that people want to make these giants leaps forward with nothing actually planned, other than just a goal.

We will get there in time, i have no doubts about that.

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Re: Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2020, 11:06:41 AM »
I agree, in time some of the green energy will prove more valuable than it is today.  Right now it doesn't make much sense to use on a larger scale, but with advances in technology it can be something that gets better with time.

It just bothers me that people want to make these giants leaps forward with nothing actually planned, other than just a goal.

We will get there in time, i have no doubts about that.
They have no idea of how much they will sacrifice in their day to day lives.  These people are so soft they can't live a day without electric or their phone and they are pushing for draconian energy laws that will crush them.

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Re: Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2020, 11:16:08 AM »
Nuclear fusion is the real answer...if they can ever harness it.

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Re: Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2020, 11:32:22 AM »
They have no idea of how much they will sacrifice in their day to day lives.  These people are so soft they can't live a day without electric or their phone and they are pushing for draconian energy laws that will crush them.

Exactly.

If we try to go full "clean energy", no more air conditioning in your home. No more smart phones, tv's, electronics, etc. The power is not there yet, not even close. There is not enough power generated by green energy to power 10% of the US at a normal rate, much less a peak rate.  Even if they tried, it would take decades just to build the infrastructure to supply (and store) these types of energy.  Our energy grids would have to be completely local for them to function correctly, not the massive grids we have today.  The entire setup would need to be removed and replaced over a very long and expensive period of time.

We have to be on the main grid, just like all these other so called "green" countries; they are still using the original grid of dirty energy and they know it will never change. But on paper a fraction of their energy is "clean" so people get all excited.  Meanwhile they are still getting their dirty energy from a neighbor, so they can wash their hands. It's like these off the grid setups popping up in the NW parts of America, they can barely power an electric stove and water heater with their solar energy and have to be hooked up to the grid "just in case". To store enough power to operate a microwave and toaster at the same time costs over $40k to install and the charge rate completely depends on how much sun light you can harvest.  If you want to be able to have central air conditioning, the cost is close to double.

Just wait until all these wind farms in the US start to get old and wear out, they don't have money allocated to take them down, so they are literally going to fall apart over time. In the panhandle of Texas, it costs almost 5 million dollars for the lifespan of one large wind turbine.  That includes construction, installation, maintenance and tear down after 30 years (if they make it that long). The power generated by this turbine over a 30 year period is worth less than 3 million. So financially it's just kind of silly. But whatever, they look great on paper. The companies installing them are going bankrupt, so who is going to tear them down?

California has thousands of acres of solar farms that have already fallen apart, they just leave them there because the companies that built them cannot afford to remove them.  Most of these farms didn't function for more than a few years.

I'm getting off topic.  :D

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Re: Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2020, 11:52:42 AM »
The local high school has a whole hillside behind it covered with solar panels and still has to be hooked up to the grid to get all the energy they need.

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Re: Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2020, 01:53:54 PM »
The local high school has a whole hillside behind it covered with solar panels and still has to be hooked up to the grid to get all the energy they need.


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Re: Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2020, 02:33:53 PM »
Exactly.

If we try to go full "clean energy", no more air conditioning in your home. No more smart phones, tv's, electronics, etc. The power is not there yet, not even close. There is not enough power generated by green energy to power 10% of the US at a normal rate, much less a peak rate.  Even if they tried, it would take decades just to build the infrastructure to supply (and store) these types of energy.  Our energy grids would have to be completely local for them to function correctly, not the massive grids we have today.  The entire setup would need to be removed and replaced over a very long and expensive period of time.

We have to be on the main grid, just like all these other so called "green" countries; they are still using the original grid of dirty energy and they know it will never change. But on paper a fraction of their energy is "clean" so people get all excited.  Meanwhile they are still getting their dirty energy from a neighbor, so they can wash their hands. It's like these off the grid setups popping up in the NW parts of America, they can barely power an electric stove and water heater with their solar energy and have to be hooked up to the grid "just in case". To store enough power to operate a microwave and toaster at the same time costs over $40k to install and the charge rate completely depends on how much sun light you can harvest.  If you want to be able to have central air conditioning, the cost is close to double.

Just wait until all these wind farms in the US start to get old and wear out, they don't have money allocated to take them down, so they are literally going to fall apart over time. In the panhandle of Texas, it costs almost 5 million dollars for the lifespan of one large wind turbine.  That includes construction, installation, maintenance and tear down after 30 years (if they make it that long). The power generated by this turbine over a 30 year period is worth less than 3 million. So financially it's just kind of silly. But whatever, they look great on paper. The companies installing them are going bankrupt, so who is going to tear them down?

California has thousands of acres of solar farms that have already fallen apart, they just leave them there because the companies that built them cannot afford to remove them.  Most of these farms didn't function for more than a few years.

I'm getting off topic.  :D

I’ll add that the endgame for the Left is everything electric - no fossil fuels.  Period. 

The electric bill for an all-electric home the same size as mine would be more than my mortgage.  I couldn’t afford to run the AC, heater, or clothes dryer. 
We’d he hanging clothes to dry on a line, sweating in the summer, and shivering in the winter.  5-minute showers to minimize use of the water heater.

Hello 1940s.

FTN

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Re: Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2020, 03:34:20 AM »
I’ll add that the endgame for the Left is everything electric - no fossil fuels.  Period. 

The electric bill for an all-electric home the same size as mine would be more than my mortgage.  I couldn’t afford to run the AC, heater, or clothes dryer. 
We’d he hanging clothes to dry on a line, sweating in the summer, and shivering in the winter.  5-minute showers to minimize use of the water heater.

Hello 1940s.

FTN
But you will have the satisfaction of knowing the polar bears have more ice to ride around on.