Is Hunter LABRADA better than Dorian already ??

[Van_Bilderass]

Nope, not with that pec tear

I agree that pec tears are really unsightly but Hunter's isn't really that bad, pretty much on the level of Levrone's, maybe a touch worse. Looks like that pec can still grow and he can also apply certain fillers in it for shows with good effect.

Hunter is real big and symmetrical, his "problem" is the look of the muscle like I said before. It's kinda hard to explain but I think many or most fans know what I'm talking about.
It's the same look as that Russian kid who is humongous. But Flex Lewis and Cutler had the same look and did well to say the least. The opposite would be a Dorian or Hadi Choopan. Look at Hadi, the way his muscle looks like fucking steel, how the skin sits. It's genetic.
There's also a certain boring quality to too much balance. This is also hard to explain but certain bodies just look more interesting, the muscle pops at interesting angles. Think Wheeler or Kai.

[joswift]

I agree that pec tears are really unsightly but Hunter's isn't really that bad, pretty much on the level of Levrone's, maybe a touch worse. Looks like that pec can still grow and he can also apply certain fillers in it for shows with good effect.

Hunter is real big and symmetrical, his "problem" is the look of the muscle like I said before. It's kinda hard to explain but I think many or most fans know what I'm talking about.
It's the same look as that Russian kid who is humongous. But Flex Lewis and Cutler had the same look and did well to say the least. The opposite would be a Dorian or Hadi Choopan. Look at Hadi, the way his muscle looks like fucking steel, how the skin sits. It's genetic.
There's also a certain boring quality to too much balance. This is also hard to explain but certain bodies just look more interesting, the muscle pops at interesting angles. Think Wheeler or Kai.

If someone walks out onstage and nothing stands out, thats a balanced Physique, Heath for example his arms stand out, Ramis quads, they are really highlighting a flaw in the physique, unfortunately its these flaws that catch the judges eye and they end up placing higher than the balanced "boring" physiques

[pamith]

I agree that pec tears are really unsightly but Hunter's isn't really that bad, pretty much on the level of Levrone's, maybe a touch worse. Looks like that pec can still grow and he can also apply certain fillers in it for shows with good effect.

Hunter is real big and symmetrical, his "problem" is the look of the muscle like I said before. It's kinda hard to explain but I think many or most fans know what I'm talking about.
It's the same look as that Russian kid who is humongous. But Flex Lewis and Cutler had the same look and did well to say the least. The opposite would be a Dorian or Hadi Choopan. Look at Hadi, the way his muscle looks like fucking steel, how the skin sits. It's genetic.
There's also a certain boring quality to too much balance. This is also hard to explain but certain bodies just look more interesting, the muscle pops at interesting angles. Think Wheeler or Kai.

I feel like Dorian is just another level, same thing with Arnold. Some physiques are pretty much unbeatable. Dorian was head and shoulders above the rest

[Bevo]

If someone walks out onstage and nothing stands out, thats a balanced Physique, Heath for example his arms stand out, Ramis quads, they are really highlighting a flaw in the physique, unfortunately its these flaws that catch the judges eye and they end up placing higher than the balanced "boring" physiques

Chris Cormier comes to mind, nothing really stands out in his physique, but he looks phenomenal with his balance and shape

[balsac69]

Bob paris too. Everything was in perfect proportion he didn't really have any stand out body parts

[oldschoolfan]

hunter isn't even better than his dad

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doesnt even look good either, he looks like a bag of shit about to explode

[IroNat]

Labrada looks the same as umpteen other pros.

It's a "sameness" that a lot of these guys have.

Is it because they all use the same exercises or do the drugs make them look the same?

[wes]

I agree that pec tears are really unsightly but Hunter's isn't really that bad, pretty much on the level of Levrone's, maybe a touch worse. Looks like that pec can still grow and he can also apply certain fillers in it for shows with good effect.

Hunter is real big and symmetrical, his "problem" is the look of the muscle like I said before. It's kinda hard to explain but I think many or most fans know what I'm talking about.
It's the same look as that Russian kid who is humongous. But Flex Lewis and Cutler had the same look and did well to say the least. The opposite would be a Dorian or Hadi Choopan. Look at Hadi, the way his muscle looks like fucking steel, how the skin sits. It's genetic.
There's also a certain boring quality to too much balance. This is also hard to explain but certain bodies just look more interesting, the muscle pops at interesting angles. Think Wheeler or Kai.

The word you are looking for is density,you could also throw a little bit of the grainy look into VS. the marshmallow air inflated puffy soft look.

[Methyl m1ke]

Labrada looks the same as umpteen other pros.

It's a "sameness" that a lot of these guys have.

Is it because they all use the same exercises or do the drugs make them look the same?

High doses of AAS and insulin is why they look the same. There is no need for hard work, the drugs do it for them now.

[Titus Pullo]

I think it's more that your cardiovascular capacity fails before muscular failure or rather you haven't recovered enough to generate the maximum muscular force and contraction simply because you are out of breath. When I mentioned how hard Milos put that poor guy through that giant set leg routine I wasn't referring to how he was pushed doing forced reps and negatives but that he wasn't allowed to get his breath back so he could generate the maximum amount of force and muscular contraction. If you do a set of squats to complete muscular failure and then jump right to the hack squats, and then to the leg press... while you are still sucking wind you will not be able to put out the maximal muscular force and contraction.

I do a similar type of training where I move from one exercise to the next without resting but I know I am sacrificing strength as I am more concerned with overall health and conditioning and don't want to spend the time doing a separate cardio routine. Jones used to say for an athlete they should train their muscles anaerobically and their body as a whole aerobically by doing this circuit type training. Boyer Cole once remarked that he didn't like this type of training for a bber. As a bber he wanted to push the maximum amount of weight for a given set. This required complete recovery and at least a few moments to "psyche up" to get into the proper mindset to move some heavyweight.

Exactly. 

Boyer also wasn't so crazy about the Jones "rush factor" and thrive weekly Nautilus protocol because Art insisted that Boyer get off any AAS.  Boyer admittedly used Dianabol even as a high school kid, so he'd been "enhanced" for well over a decade until his employment at Nautilus Industries in '82 (I think that's right).  Asking him to stop the drugs AND mess with his training routine was a recipe for disaster.

I like Ellington Darden, but he pulled the same shithead thing with Eddie Robinson for a lame case study that Ell made into a book.  He demanded Eddie get off Deca, then put him on a Jonesian routine.  I don't know what Ell claimed about Eddie's results in the book, but I do recall that Ed was NOT happy at the end.  Not surprisingly, he said he lost muscle and strength, and got fatter to boot.

Oh, btw:  it's Boyer Coe, not Cole ~

[oldschoolfan]

Exactly. 

Boyer also wasn't so crazy about the Jones "rush factor" and thrive weekly Nautilus protocol because Art insisted that Boyer get off any AAS.  Boyer admittedly used Dianabol even as a high school kid, so he'd been "enhanced" for well over a decade until his employment at Nautilus Industries in '82 (I think that's right).  Asking him to stop the drugs AND mess with his training routine was a recipe for disaster.

I like Ellington Darden, but he pulled the same shithead thing with Eddie Robinson for a lame case study that Ell made into a book.  He demanded Eddie get off Deca, then put him on a Jonesian routine.  I don't know what Ell claimed about Eddie's results in the book, but I do recall that Ed was NOT happy at the end.  Not surprisingly, he said he lost muscle and strength, and got fatter to boot.

Oh, btw:  it's Boyer Coe, not Cole ~

i talked to casey viator a few times around  2003  , casey was very open minded  , he told me he believed in , h.i.t for strength and size, but also said the arnold method of high sets was essential for him to get into contest shape, he also said no one trained harder than arnold pre contest and arnolds pre contest routine would kill most people

[Royalty]

i talked to casey viator a few times around  2003  , casey was very open minded  , he told me he believed in , h.i.t for strength and size, but also said the arnold method of high sets was essential for him to get into contest shape, he also said no one trained harder than arnold pre contest and arnolds pre contest routine would kill most people

Squats with 315 would not kill most people. I think that a much smaller Ed Corney was training harder than Arnold in Pumping Iron

[Matt]

I just checked out the comparison you made [I attached your photo below].  You really make it clear how much better Dorian's calves are than Hunter's - even though that is of course the case, the photo was manipulated in a way to make it look less pronounced than it actually is - and as you have shown in your comparison, Dorian's calves are STILL much larger than Hunter's calves.

To be fair, I was looking at their left calves, and didn't notice the sheer size advantage Dorian has in calves until I noticed his right calve, highlighted in the comparison you made.

I previously conceded your point about Dorian having longer arms than Hunter, and better/bigger triceps, and you did a job job highlighting that in your comparison photo.

What's funny is that even using this example - a photo obviously made to make Hunter look as good as possible, and a shot of Dorian from...I'm guessing somewhere between 1995-1997, and Dorian still looks better, lol!!

No dis' whatsoever to Hunter there - it just goes to show how many lightyears ahead Dorian was than the competition.  While I always felt that Dorian had a thick waist, he was excellent everywhere else.  I would say 1993 was his best year, because by 1995, he was already missing a biceps.  Otherwise, you could make a good case for 1995 being his best year.

I still say that Ronnie Coleman in 2003 would beat any bodybuilding in any area of bodybuilding, and was literally the best stage physique ever seen by a bodybuilding in the history of the industry, but Dorian was also well ahead of his time, and his physique today could easily be a top contender in the 2020's world of bodybuilding [not yet begun, as far as the Olympia goes - but basically what I mean is: Dorian in 1993 could be competitive this year in 2020, and probably in 2023 for that matter, time will tell, which goes to show just how far ahead of his time Dorian was than the competition].

I wonder if Lee Haney, in his last Mr. Olympia win in 1991, when his wife Shirley insisted that he retire for health reasons at the ripe old age of 32, could be competitive in today's area.  Maybe not to the point of winning the Mr. Olympia...but I suspect a 1991 version of Lee Haney could make the Mr. Olympia stage.

Dorian would almost for sure have been Mr. Olympia had he competed last year.  Well...if the 1996 version of him was transported into the future...THAT version of Dorian [or any others from around that time period - while he was winning his Sandows] could have won in 2019, as well as 2018.

I got to here before I got bored as shit.  And too many typos.

I can't fathom the experience of the people who actually do read all of my posts all the way through - and I have confirmed there are some.  What a drag.  It's akin to watching either Britney Spears or Ronnie Coleman age.

[Matt]

Matt, your Asperger’s and repressed homosexuality are making you think your opinion means something around here.

Now shut the fuck up before you get bitch slapped back into playing hide and go seek on the Lakehead University campus.

Skinny autistic bitchboi.

I agree with the last statement, but I don't get why you assume I'm a homosexual from what I post.  I'm not sure how long posts are associated with being a bender.

That being said, I still think that in that manipulated side-by-side comparison, Hunter and Dorian look similar.

I think if you put them side by side, Dorian would probably have a full 20-lb on Hunter, more graininess, and I think he's pretty close to exactly 1" shorter.

So yeah, that's quite the difference.

I just looked for Hunter Labrada's age online - 28.  That's the age Dorian was in 1990.  He may compare better to Dorian at that time than in the OP comparison.  That's Dorian in his prime...but I still think it's manipulated to make both men look about the same size.  Although I will say - Hunter has made some serious gains since I last saw images of him.

[AbrahamG]

I agree with the last statement, but I don't get why you assume I'm a homosexual from what I post.  I'm not sure how long posts are associated with being a bender.

That being said, I still think that in that manipulated side-by-side comparison, Hunter and Dorian look similar.

I think if you put them side by side, Dorian would probably have a full 20-lb on Hunter, more graininess, and I think he's pretty close to exactly 1" shorter.

So yeah, that's quite the difference.

I just looked for Hunter Labrada's age online - 28.  That's the age Dorian was in 1990.  He may compare better to Dorian at that time than in the OP comparison.  That's Dorian in his prime...but I still think it's manipulated to make both men look about the same size.  Although I will say - Hunter has made some serious gains since I last saw images of him.

It's because you smoke cigarettes.  Everyone knows sucking on long skinny objects is a harbinger to sucking cocks.

[tres_taco_combo]

Bob paris too. Everything was in perfect proportion he didn't really have any stand out body parts

I feel that is the best look = all around balanced is best.

[oldschoolfan]

I feel that is the best look = all around balanced is best.

gary strydom in 91  looked pretty good

[oldschoolfan]

I agree that pec tears are really unsightly but Hunter's isn't really that bad, pretty much on the level of Levrone's, maybe a touch worse. Looks like that pec can still grow and he can also apply certain fillers in it for shows with good effect.

Hunter is real big and symmetrical, his "problem" is the look of the muscle like I said before. It's kinda hard to explain but I think many or most fans know what I'm talking about.
It's the same look as that Russian kid who is humongous. But Flex Lewis and Cutler had the same look and did well to say the least. The opposite would be a Dorian or Hadi Choopan. Look at Hadi, the way his muscle looks like fucking steel, how the skin sits. It's genetic.
There's also a certain boring quality to too much balance. This is also hard to explain but certain bodies just look more interesting, the muscle pops at interesting angles. Think Wheeler or Kai.

hunter looks like something that came out of my dogs asshole yesterday.  all he is,is his daddy lee's chemical experiment and a tool for pappa lee to promote and sell his shitty supplements that dont work.

[tres_taco_combo]

gary strydom in 91  looked pretty good

guy is amazing! i watched some of his old videos  - super impressive

[oldschoolfan]

guy is amazing! i watched some of his old videos  - super impressive

i would have to say proably the best chest and delts combo out there for a taller guy, he was smart to, took that wbf money and was making way more than anyone in the weider clan at that time.

[njflex]

gary strydom in 91  looked pretty good

[AbrahamG]

Jesse Ventura while doing WBF commentary referred to him as "Gary Strydex".  LMFAO. 

He also said while Roddy Piper was whipping Mr. T in Pipers Pit that this "looks like an excerpt from Roots, McMahon".  LMMFAO!

[njflex]

Jesse Ventura while doing WBF commentary referred to him as "Gary Strydex".  LMFAO. 

He also said while Roddy Piper was whipping Mr. T in Pipers Pit that this "looks like an excerpt from Roots, McMahon".  LMMFAO!

Jesse was gold then....

[oldschoolfan]

Jesse was gold then....

Venturra and hennan where the best

[ChristopherA]

I feel like Dorian is just another level, same thing with Arnold. Some physiques are pretty much unbeatable. Dorian was head and shoulders above the rest

He had an amazing back and great conditioning. Other than that he looked like shit from the front in every pose except for side triceps. So overblown how great he was. He was great in '92 and '93 that's it. Oh you had to see him in person. Ya sure