"Working" Remotely/From Home During Covid?

[Never1AShow]

How many hours of goofing off can you get away with at home?  I figure many are doing 2 hours of actual work a day, but being paid for 8.

[Grape Ape]

  That's what people don't understand.  They are expendable.  Why pay a big salary and benefits when you can pay someone in Dubai, India a dollar an hour with no benefits?

No benefits for India?

Our company pays benefits in every country.

[loco]

How many hours of goofing off can you get away with at home?  I figure many are doing 2 hours of actual work a day, but being paid for 8.

How many hours of goofing off can you get away with at the office?  Chatting with co-workers, long lunches, flirting with the receptionist, smoking on the rooftop, hanging out by the coffee pot, surfing the web, playing solitaire, etc.

As long as the work gets done and the company is profitable many employers don't care, especially in the tech industry.

[SOMEPARTS]

Some cell phone service providers have it in which everything is entirely controlled by computers and there is no live personal support   The problem is that there is no checks and balances for errors in billing and no way of resolving it "when" it fucks up and it always does.   Computers and AI's are tools....not something you wish to rely on for the human nature of doing business.   It will never talk about stuff going on in the world, it won't trade dinner recipes with you, it won't talk about Drew Brees, etc.  That's where customer retention comes down to.   

I will agree with you on some of these dinosaur tech jobs and most of the companies give those folks an exit package to leave or they get laid off.   Its why they call it a parachute packages sometimes....either drop to the ground softly or just get thrown out of the airplane

In the future personal customer service will be available only to the very wealthy. It sort of happens already - if you have enough money in a bank you get a dedicated rep's phone number and email, if not you get the usual runaround phone # with the usual suspect/DMV worthy reps.

Have you ever tried to ask a question of a seller or get a product or shipping problem resolved with Amazon? They make it intentionally difficult. I ordered some battery disconnects for my truck...was supposed to get a pair....got one. Tried to call and message and was told the seller was in China and couldn't take messages. Never did get another one or a refund even though the Amazon messanger doohicky said I would be refunded half, gave up...

Less service through poor automated interfaces will be the norm for the masses. Amazon doesn't have to worry about retention, soon they will be the only option for much of general retail if gone unchecked.

[Grape Ape]

As long as the work gets done and the company is profitable many employers don't care, especially in the tech industry.

This is the answer.

But, WFH also is a different mindset - life and work can easily become intertwined, with no set hours leading to work very early, or very late. It's not for everyone, as some really need the separation.

[SOMEPARTS]

How many hours of goofing off can you get away with at the office?  Chatting with co-workers, long lunches, flirting with the receptionist, smoking on the rooftop, hanging out by the coffee pot, surfing the web, playing solitaire, etc.

As long as the work gets done and the company is profitable many employers don't care, especially in the tech industry.

They may not care about streamlining(right sizing as they say in corporate speak) in in the current market conditions. Let's see how things are a year or two from now.

Companies eventually will not be paying 8 hours for 2 hours work if they are smart enough to stop paying for a 300 cubicle high rise in a large metro. One of the reasons is decreased personal service being trained into/expected by those under 30.

Most in person sales and waitstaff jobs are done post covid. Carvana is another great example, I didn't see that business model working due to lack of sales and service - yet  here we are. How many car dealerships and finance related jobs will that model replace?

[epic is back]

In the future personal customer service will be available only to the very wealthy. It sort of happens already - if you have enough money in a bank you get a dedicated rep's phone number and email, if not you get the usual runaround phone # with the usual suspect/DMV worthy reps.

Have you ever tried to ask a question of a seller or get a product or shipping problem resolved with Amazon? They make it intentionally difficult. I ordered some battery disconnects for my truck...was supposed to get a pair....got one. Tried to call and message and was told the seller was in China and couldn't take messages. Never did get another one or a refund even though the Amazon messanger doohicky said I would be refunded half, gave up...

Less service through poor automated interfaces will be the norm for the masses. Amazon doesn't have to worry about retention, soon they will be the only option for much of general retail if gone unchecked.

Maybe stop buying from China ?
 Fucking  Walmart China people

Cheapos always get kicked in the ass

Never learn
Plus your supporting communism

[SOMEPARTS]

Maybe stop buying from China ?
 Fucking  Walmart China people

Cheapos always get kicked in the ass

Never learn
Plus your supporting communism

Haha, yeah sounds great...but that's not an option because none of those products are made in the USA anymore. 

If you pay taxes or vote in the USA you are apparently supporting communism as well.

[SOMEPARTS]

If having enough money to pay someone else to run your chores is soft, so be it.

Millennials who work 20 hours a week and make 15k are doing it.

The saying is "all hat, no cattle".

It's lazy.

[epic is back]

Millennials who work 20 hours a week and make 15k are doing it.

The saying is "all hat, no cattle".

It's lazy.

millennials are done for

no credit, no money, don't own their car, or phone even

just lots of "followers"

who wont be helping out when February hits and they cant afford their rent

[Humble Narcissist]

No benefits for India?

Our company pays benefits in every country.

Not at the same price.  Do they even have health insurance in India?

[epic is back]

they bathe in the same water they piss and shit in


"Insurance" is not  their radar

they make most of the pharmaceuticals over there

[Humble Narcissist]

they bathe in the same water they piss and shit in


"Insurance" is not  their radar

they make most of the pharmaceuticals over there

[Grape Ape]

Not at the same price.  Do they even have health insurance in India?

Economies of scale are different, of course.

But not only do they have health insurance, it's also 100% paid by many companies there.

It's not a country law, but most companies choose to cover that.

So this statement, is 100% incorrect:

"Insurance" is not  their radar

[Primemuscle]

Well, one thing I like about working from home is that I can choose the setup and equipment I like rather than having to use company materials.  I have a much larger desk which is cherry hardwood instead of laminate,   I have Dual Monitors like I had before but much larger and sharper, and a Logitech advanced wireless keyboard and mouse from Sam's Club which is much more durable and comfortable for a long work day.




The biggest issue I had was that my home is out in the country where there is no cable or fiber internet and couldn't use DSL which is why I was planning to move to TD Ameritrade as I needed reliable high speed internet.   Fortunately, after consulting with 5G Store and letting them know my issue, they set me up with a Pepwave BR1 4GLTE Enterprise Router.   Shelled out 600 bucks but well worth it .   It has a dual sim slot in which I have an ATT sim for my primary service and have a Verizon sim in for backup, SpeedFusion Cloud service...overall, just fast and reliable along with no wifi on it so no moron can access it



If any of you folks ever work from home then I'd go to 5GStore.com.  Now I'm going to bed

I am a fan of Logitech products. Although this last keyboard I bought tends to have certain keys which occasionally stick. The mouse is trouble free. My laptop is also Logitech. It has a couple of glitches, mostly with the touch pad, but nothing too serious or that a separate mouse wouldn't take care of. Unlike you, I don't have a solid cherry desk or at the moment a separate office. I gave mine up for my 6 month old great-granddaughter. Hopefully, it will not be indefinitely. In the meantime, I'm looking at Room and Board and Crate and Barrel desks with pull out desktops and which when closed completely hide all the equipment.


Room and Board - 24" monitor fits inside plus I could add a larger monitor over the desk for watching television and streaming movies etc. 



Crate and Barrel - additional 32" - 42" monitor/television on top for streaming and computer use.

[epic is back]

brutal 16 bit sega genesis hardware with names like  "speedfusion"  "pepwave" sitting atop a "cherry wood" compressed wood desk, with his Logitech keybaord lols

made in
Suzhou, China or Taiwan


 in the "trailer" melvin operates his multinational conglomerate out of

but he wont  engage in conversations he deems  are "unintelligent"

he is the guy you could keep locked up in a cage, but if you left the door open so he could come out thinking he was free and  he would brag about he was free ,  only to not realize the whole cage he was in was surrounded by a much larger one

but i like his spirit

gotta give him credit for not silting his throat

[epic is back]

i just came back to read my above post

fucking epic

[SOMEPARTS]

this last keyboard I bought tends to have certain keys which occasionally stick.

Henda's fault...

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

I am a fan of Logitech products. Although this last keyboard I bought tends to have certain keys which occasionally stick. The mouse is trouble free. My laptop is also Logitech. It has a couple of glitches, mostly with the touch pad, but nothing too serious or that a separate mouse wouldn't take care of. Unlike you, I don't have a solid cherry desk or at the moment a separate office. I gave mine up for my 6 month old great-granddaughter. Hopefully, it will not be indefinitely. In the meantime, I'm looking at Room and Board and Crate and Barrel desks with pull out desktops and which when closed completely hide all the equipment.


Room and Board - 24" monitor fits inside plus I could add a larger monitor over the desk for watching television and streaming movies etc. 



Crate and Barrel - additional 32" - 42" monitor/television on top for streaming and computer use.

I dont have that type of luxury working in Customer Relations.  I can have get a company laptop but it's hard to try to do everything with one screen.  Much easier with 2 big old monitors.    I've always liked the Logitech pro keyboards...very solid with a very good tactile.  I actually replaced my desk with this one as it was falling apart.  Had it since I lived in Sylva.  Overall , it's a huge step up from the "Office Space "cubicle and company issued stuff I have available.  But I do miss it a bit....seems like an era and what I consider the final insult in dress.  When I started selling phones and beepers at US Cellular in 1995 all the way to 2007 with Alltel, we wore business suits, ties, etc.  I come back to the industry in 2016 and people are wearing flip flops, tshirts, tongue rings, and torn shirts.  Now its 2020 and its bathrobes and pajamas...😂

[epic is back]

Do you think there will be a cell phone vending machine Melvin?

And customer service via the chat robot on your texts ?

 Isn’t your job doing what a man would do to a girlfriend he wants to get rid of ?

Lowering expectations

Ignoring you

Leaving you alone
 

Will they give you a giant parachute package ?

What say you ?

[AbrahamG]

Henda's fault...

Outstanding. 

[Never1AShow]

How many hours of goofing off can you get away with at the office?  Chatting with co-workers, long lunches, flirting with the receptionist, smoking on the rooftop, hanging out by the coffee pot, surfing the web, playing solitaire, etc.

As long as the work gets done and the company is profitable many employers don't care, especially in the tech industry.

Does the work get done or does it just get postponed and pushed off (which is tolerated for a bit during Covid)? 

[epic is back]

The employers care

They just don’t tell you

Certainly working on a way to let you go is nearer to truth

Remote doesn’t inspire doesn’t motivate , there no competition

No sense of pride

No opportunity on your way to your job

As before you might meet someone who had a real opportunity if you traveled in and with the public and interacted with them

Colaberating

None of that happens on zoom

None

You can pretend things are fine

But you know they aren’t

[Humble Narcissist]

The employers care

They just don’t tell you

Certainly working on a way to let you go is nearer to truth

Remote doesn’t inspire doesn’t motivate , there no competition

No sense of pride

No opportunity on your way to your job

As before you might meet someone who had a real opportunity if you traveled in and with the public and interacted with them

Colaberating

None of that happens on zoom

None

You can pretend things are fine

But you know they aren’t

They will know soon.

[OlympiaGym]

my company has gone fully remote; we save millions alone on rent(we're in nyc) which we've passed on to the employees that is on top of the money\time the average employee saves by not having to commute in nyc. More so we track metrics that show we're way more productive working from home

How are they saving millions on rent already? Didn’t they have leases? Some commercial landlords in NYC have been willing to renegotiate somewhat but most aren’t. COVID or not the leases are still enforceable. Legit companies can’t just walk away from them.