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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2020, 04:51:59 PM »
The regular flu vaccine isn't effective.. what makes you think this one would be?


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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2020, 05:11:11 PM »
Later or possibly never, because:

- Golly it got made and deployed fast. I like my medical science thoroughly observed over an established duration, thank you.

- I feel lied to, mostly because I got lied to. This pandemic was reported to have a 15% death rate in late March. Then it was 12%, then 8%. Then 5% for a long time. Members of my family insisted that was a conservative estimate. Then, after awhile, a bit north of 2%. But definitely over 1%. Last I heard was .8% overall. This includes everyone, like the elderly, the obese, and the generally unhealthy. My age group survives at something like 99.93%, including the obese and the unhealthy. I doubt I'm one of the 7 most unhealthy people in 10,000 in their 40s. The promised pile of bodies simply hasn't materialized over the course of the last 9 months to anything approaching the size we kept getting told it would, and there's some question whether all the bodies in the pile even belong there. So now I doubt what I'm being told. That's what happens when you lie to people. I did my grocery shopping in a goddamn gas mask back in late March and April. And I did a lot of it. Not a surgical mask. A gas mask. Full helmet. If I had to work around others, I wore it. I advised everyone what mask and filters to buy. I posted about it here. I PMed people about it. I handed out my spare silicon masks to people I know. I urged my girl to quit her job in aged care when the news said the death toll for staff in that industry was going to be devastating. I asked her not to leave the house until we see how this thing develops and I would pick up the bills. She wanted to keep going to work so I stayed away from her and every other human for like 4 weeks unless, again, full gas mask. I refused to roll my window down at police checkpoints. There were no gloves so I put sandwich bags on my hand at the fuel pump. I cleaned everything I touched with methylated alcohol, which was like liquid gold and unobtainable. I was upset with myself for not having a fully stocked bomb shelter, and set about pitting that together. I bought inverters for my battery bank, purchased extra fuel, food and another freezer, water, and basically everything else needed to support 2 people for 6 months of complete isolation and mad max level economic collapse. Even though stores were empty, I stocked 3 houses to the ceiling. My girl's, my rental, and my house under construction. That cost a little money. Nine months later, I feel like a goddamn fool. I believed what I was told and ended up looking like a fool. I don't like being made to look like a fool by people who lied to me. It wasn't whoops. It wasn't error. They fucking lied. How much am I going to believe what they tell me about the vaccine?

- I've seen very poor decision making by governments. Destruction of people's lives caused by lawmakers whose own lives remain just fine. I don't want panicked or uncaring lawmakers making decisions for me.

- I'll be interested to observe The Push. The thing about a good product is that it sells itself. You don't even have to advertise. You definitely don't have to coerce. The more "Then you won't be permitted to..." I see, the more I will conclude that this product does not sell itself.

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2020, 05:13:19 PM »
huh

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2020, 05:18:09 PM »
My issues with getting it are as follows:

This is a "first of its kind" vaccine as mRNA has never been used for vaccines. If you can program human cells to develop antibodies against this disease, what would poorly handled or possibly mutated mRNA vaccines lead to?

It's taken less than a year to develop, when most vaccines take upwards of 10+ years to develop in a safe manner.

That's not really an issue. They just didn't have the usual red tape getting in the way this time and they had been working on mRNA and adenoviral vectors as delivery systems for years already.


We have NO long term data regarding the possible adverse effects.

This is the issue

We, the people of the USA, are literally going to serve as the proverbial guinea pigs.

The UK will be going ahead with the vaccine (800,000 doses, 400,000 people) before the US and everyone else.


With statistics showing that over 98% of the people, who in the USA, have gotten COVID have ALSO recovered, why would I not give my body a chance to fight it off? With a 98% chance of recovery, I'd say the odds are great. I suffer from no comordities, why chance it with an unpredictable vaccine when my immune system has been quite effective all of my life?

Getting Covid and recovering from it will likely offer you some degree of protection from future coronaviruses, so yes IMO if you're healthy it's better than being vaccinated


The vaccine won't cure COVID or eliminate it, it will simply make your body better able to cope with the disease. In other words, you can still and very likely will get covid.

The 90 - 95% figure means if you come into contact with the virus your body will have what it needs to eliminate the virus. You won't have any symptoms and you won't spread it. The other 5 to 10% will still catch and spread covid, but their symptoms will be milder.

There's no guarantee that it will provide protection for more than a few months. They're trying to figure out if this will become a yearly necessity like the flu vaccine.

Protection will be long lasting (decade/s) if the virus stays the same. However it's likely the virus will keep jumping back and forth between animals and humans. This is what can cause mutations and negate the vaccine effort. Also there is a very strong possibility of a vaccine resistant strain emerging. Both scenario will mean regular vaccinations.

Lastly, media outlets like CNN and snakes in the grass like Bill Gates are campaigning HARD for people to get it. This last fact alone makes me cringe.

If mutations occur and/or vaccine resistant strains emerge then this will become a huge cash cow for the pharmaceutical industry. A lot of rich people stand to get a lot richer

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2020, 05:20:58 PM »
say what?

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2020, 05:23:10 PM »
The shit that went on this year justifies painful paragraphs.

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2020, 05:33:20 PM »
bro

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2020, 05:34:25 PM »
Want a ham? I still have like 18 of them.

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2020, 05:51:27 PM »
yes i would sir


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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2020, 06:01:02 PM »
Hang on. They're under the beef and pork roasts that are all froze together.

I was so ready to rock.

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2020, 06:07:45 PM »
ok bro I can wait

quick question though

is it a god dammed ham?

or just regular ham

Hanukah is coming up soon an all

plus with my name being Joshua

leader of the Israelites and such

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2020, 06:18:10 PM »
However it's likely the virus will keep jumping back and forth between animals and humans. This is what can cause mutations and negate the vaccine effort. Also there is a very strong possibility of a vaccine resistant strain emerging. Both scenario will mean regular vaccinations.

While I can agree with 99% of what you said, this statement above is something I don't necessarily agree with. Particularly your claim that what causes mutations in this virus is the virus actually jumping back and forth BETWEEN animals and humans. While any virus can jump from host to host (including animals as particularly seen with most coronaviruses SARS & MERS), this coronavirus will simply continue to mutate as it comes into contact with different human hosts. Much like the HIV virus continues to mutate over the years and it does so as it gets transmitted from person to person. I'm not saying it's impossible for us to have another Wuhan incident occur at the animal market and have COVID-19 play another role as the lead actor, but I think it might be less likely after a worldwide pandemic was practically blamed on China by most Right-Wing politicians.

The New York Times wrote a pretty good article in April 30, 2020 which described exactly how mutations in the coronavirus occur and they wrote in plain English that:

"A cell infected by a coronavirus releases millions of new viruses, all carrying copies of the original genome. As the cell copies that genome, it sometimes makes mistakes, usually just a single wrong letter. These typos are called mutations. As coronaviruses spread from person to person, they randomly accumulate more mutations."

Source: "How Coronavirus Mutates and Spreads" https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/30/science/coronavirus-mutations.html

Additionally, here's a piece from the University of Cambridge that clearly talks about coronavirus mutations and how they occur: https://www.phgfoundation.org/blog/relevance-of-coronavirus-mutation

Let me know if this is what you meant with your statement, as it read in an ambiguous fashion and could be misconstrued by the reader. I think COVID has enough of a mutational playground by way of the millions of people worldwide that have been infected that it would provide enough room for continued mistakes in genome coding.

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2020, 06:18:50 PM »
https://www.amazon.com/How-Autism-Epidemic-J-B-Handley/dp/1603588248

How to End the Autism Epidemic

The audiobook is a very easy listen.

Wake Up people


While many parents have heard the rhetoric that vaccines are safe and effective and that the science is settled about the relationship between vaccines and autism, few realize that in the 1960s, American children received three vaccines compared to the thirty-eight they receive today. Or that when parents are told that the odds of an adverse reaction are “one in a million,” the odds are actually one in fifty. Or that in the 1980s, the rate of autism was one in ten thousand children. Today it’s one in thirty-six.

Parents, educators, and social service professionals around the country are sounding an alarm that we are in the midst of a devastating public health crisis―one that corresponds in lockstep with an ever-growing vaccine schedule. Why do our public health officials refuse to investigate this properly―or even acknowledge it?

In How to End the Autism Epidemic, Handley confronts and dismantles the most common lies about vaccines and autism. He then lays out, in detail, what the truth actually is: new published science links the aluminium adjuvant used in vaccines to immune activation events in the brains of infants, triggering autism; and there is a clear legal basis for the statement that vaccines cause autism, including previously undisclosed depositions of prominent autism scientists under oath.

While Handley’s argument is unsparing, his position is ultimately moderate and constructive: we must continue to investigate the safety of vaccines, we must adopt a position of informed consent, and every individual vaccine must be considered on its own merits. This issue is far from settled. By refusing to engage with parents and other stakeholders in a meaningful way, our public health officials destroy the public trust and enable the suffering of countless children and families.

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2020, 06:53:34 PM »
While I can agree with 99% of what you said, this statement above is something I can not agree with. Particularly your claim that what causes mutations in this virus is the virus actually jumping back and forth BETWEEN animals and humans. While any virus can jump from host to host, this coronavirus simply mutates as it comes into contact with different human hosts. Much like the HIV virus continues to mutate over the years and it does so as it gets transmitted from person to person.

The New York Times wrote a pretty good article in April 30, 2020 which described exactly how mutations in the coronavirus occur and they wrote in plain English that:

"A cell infected by a coronavirus releases millions of new viruses, all carrying copies of the original genome. As the cell copies that genome, it sometimes makes mistakes, usually just a single wrong letter. These typos are called mutations. As coronaviruses spread from person to person, they randomly accumulate more mutations."

Source: "How Coronavirus Mutates and Spreads" https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/30/science/coronavirus-mutations.html

Additionally, here's a piece from the University of Cambridge that clearly talks about coronavirus mutations and how they occur: https://www.phgfoundation.org/blog/relevance-of-coronavirus-mutation

Let me know if this is what you meant with your statement, as it read in an ambiguous fashion and could be misconstrued by the reader.

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To clarify my point. I meant a mutation in the spike protein as that's the mutation which could make current vaccines redundant. The vaccines target the spike protein and spike hasn't changed much despite any of the other mutations that have occurred because of human to human transmission. Even those mutations are more likely to be classed as natural genetic drift.  It's actually a very unremarkable and stable virus. Basically the complete opposite of the flu virus.


It's the jump back and forth between species that cause the spike proteins to mutate. That's why they were so worried about the infections on the mink farms.

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2020, 06:57:56 PM »
To clarify my point. I meant a mutation in the spike protein as that's the mutation which could make current vaccines redundant. The vaccines target the spike protein and spike hasn't changed much despite any of the other mutations that have occurred because of human to human transmission. Even those mutations are more likely to be classed as natural genetic drift.  It's actually a very unremarkable and stable virus. Basically the complete opposite of the flu virus.

It's the jump back and forth between species that cause the spike proteins to mutate. That's why they were so worried about the infections on the mink farms.

Crystal clear..

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2020, 07:03:17 PM »
ok bro I can wait

quick question though

is it a god dammed ham?

or just regular ham

Hanukah is coming up soon an all

plus with my name being Joshua

leader of the Israelites and such

There's plenty of canned stuff but these ones are full sized severed pig legs. I like ham.

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2020, 07:10:47 PM »
They won't have to, they will just start taking your shiny things, then your job will require you to, then they will take your kids, but don't worry its safe you tin foil hat wackadoodle, getting it? No stopping it.

It won't get that far.

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2020, 07:17:06 PM »
I haven't decided yet. That it hasn't stood the test of time has me somewhat concerned. On the other hand, I have at least one factor of higher risk, which is my age. Otherwise I am in perfect health with no negative heart, respiratory, or immune system considerations. I am definitely not prone to virus infections as I have never suffered symptoms of the flu. I have had pneumococcal pneumonia in the past when I worked at an elementary school where there is increased exposure, but it is not a virus, it is a bacterial infection of the lungs.
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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #43 on: December 03, 2020, 07:18:28 PM »
Crystal clear..

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I'm not sure how old you are, but if you're under 50/55 it will be months before you're offered a vaccination. You'll probably be offered it spring/summer. Coronaviruses by nature pretty much disappear during the summer, so no point taking the vaccine then.

Wait until October/November and see what levels of virus are around and if it's worth taking. You'll also have 10 months more vaccination data to help you make a decision.

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #44 on: December 03, 2020, 07:36:35 PM »
I'm just doing some reading ...

So they're rolling out the vaccine, 30 million doses, in the UK based on phase 3 data in only 10000 people (not a lot of people, no long term effects known) so I went to look at the data myself...(I'm a medical research scientist)

The data has not been publicly released... So no peer review of the data has taken place, essentially the UK government is trusting a media release from Pfizer. No ones seen the small data group.

This is not how it's done! Not good. Generalised stupidity continues.

Wait at least 6 months after the UK roll out. A year or more would be better.

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2020, 07:41:22 PM »
"safety testing" of current vaccines.

There is 0 valid reason as to why Carcinogenesis and Mutagenesis studies have not been done on any vaccines. but maybe testing has been done, results just weren't good

https://www.fda.gov/media/75191/download






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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2020, 07:51:32 PM »
I'm a medical research scientist

That's fantastic!

Here's a question for you, Flexacon and any other person involved in biology and medicine work.

What are the possible risks you could forsee occurring by using taking a vaccine that utilizes mRNA?

I've read all the articles put out by the CDC and picked up a few of my old molecular biology textbooks from my undergrad years, but this concept of using mRNA as a central component to a vaccine has never been done before, so there's not much to it that I can find.

I did read an article published by the National Center for Biotechnology Information (a division of the NIH), that said that risks from using an mRNA vaccine include: the bio-distribution and persistence of the induced immunogen expression; possible development of auto-reactive antibodies; and toxic effects of any non-native nucleotides and delivery system components.

It led me to think that just maybe, the use of an mRNA to promote antibody development if not carefully controlled, could possibly incite a cytokine storm.

What do you folks think? I know G_Thang has a degree in Bioengineering if I'm not mistaken. Would love to read everyone's thoughts on this hypothesis.

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #47 on: December 03, 2020, 07:54:22 PM »
I'm just doing some reading ...

So they're rolling out the vaccine, 30 million doses, in the UK based on phase 3 data in only 10000 people (not a lot of people, no long term effects known) so I went to look at the data myself...(I'm a medical research scientist)

The data has not been publicly released... So no peer review of the data has taken place, essentially the UK government is trusting a media release from Pfizer. No ones seen the small data group.

This is not how it's done! Not good. Generalised stupidity continues.

Wait at least 6 months after the UK roll out. A year or more would be better.

The 40 million doses won't happen for a while yet, but yeah the whole situation is fucked up. 400,000 people in the UK (mostly over 80's) are basically taking part in a trail against their wishes. What's even more fucked up is that Pfizer lobbied and got the UK and US to give them legal protection against being sued. The EU despite it's faults told Pfizer to fuck off.

I'm not gonna trust anything the UK or US approve.

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2020, 07:56:53 PM »
I'm not sure how old you are, but if you're under 50/55 it will be months before you're offered a vaccination. You'll probably be offered it spring/summer. Coronaviruses by nature pretty much disappear during the summer, so no point taking the vaccine then.

Wait until October/November and see what levels of virus are around and if it's worth taking. You'll also have 10 months more vaccination data to help you make a decision.

That’s a great fairytale! Listen I mean no Ill will here, but this vaccine is going to be mandatory if you want to live in society period! Don’t take it, you’ll have to try and figure shit out not being able to do daily things, until they take you to the fema camps, think that’s far fetched?

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Re: How many of you are going to voluntarily get the COVID vaccine?
« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2020, 08:06:11 PM »
That’s a great fairytale! Listen I mean no Ill will here, but this vaccine is going to be mandatory if you want to live in society period! Don’t take it, you’ll have to try and figure shit out not being able to do daily things, until they take you to the fema camps, think that’s far fetched?
Settle down.... This isn't Nazi Germany. But the world, tends to overreact (as they should) to certain situations.

Let's make something clear: There have been many people affected by this virus. "Knock on wood" ,  I have not been affected by Covid. That does not mean that countless families have had to suffer from people succumbing  to this Pandemic.

It's not real until it happens to you. Happy Holidays!