Covid 19 Vaccines - Should you received it or be forced to?

[joswift]

No there are not. That article is about the coronavirus infection and NOTHING to do with trials or vaccines.

Watch this at 1min 40 onwards

Its not just what he says, its the interviewers reaction to it like he was goi9ng to challenge him then someone shouted in his earpiece to let it go.
Any respectable journalist would have asked him to clarify what he meant

[Matt]

I read somewhere that the EU has said 'no' to protection from lawsuits?

Anyone know about the claims of HCG "contamination" of vaccines in Africa (may have been India too)? Was that claim verified?

Regarding the EU, I heard the same thing.  For whatever its faults, the EU made the right call on that one.

Regarding the contamination of vaccines, I heard that Bill Gates funded some vaccine testing in India, and multiple people - maybe in the hundreds...possibly alleged to be in the thousands, but I can't recall the exact number - died or became seriously ill or otherwise infected or in need of healthcare, as a result of a vaccine.  It may have been an oral polio vaccine [rather than a needle-based one] or some other vaccine that is usually intramuscular, but was in pill form.

I went online to verify the story, and everyone was saying it was a conspiracy theory.

But here's the thing - if you test a vaccine on the children of 10,000 or 100,000 [or however many] of the poorest families in a developing nation, exactly WHO will advocate on behalf of those children and their families in the event of the vaccine causing medical issues?

And 2020 has taught me that strange things have happened - both this year, and throughout history at a level I just didn't deeply ponder, I suppose.  Not only has this entire year been a statistical outlier like nothing I've ever seen before, I also learned that actual Hobbits used to exist on an island in Indonesia:

So...does this relate to Bill Gates and the Indian vaccine claim, and the subsequent online denial of his involvement?

Well...consider:

Is it REALLY so hard to believe that a person with the wealth and influence of Bill Gates would be able to have a "relatively safe" oral vaccine for a known intramuscular vaccine developed, and use his money to butter up a politician in India and have the vaccine tested on the poorest people in society, and do so by way of a series of shell companies and other measures, ultimately hiding his association with the eventual failed vaccine?  Ok - so, say 284 people died.

284 people.

284 of the POOREST people, no less - the children of the poorest people, and probably children who were already sick, with poor parents who had six kids, and who were informed of the risks, and the potential for financial reward in case anything went wrong.  And that would require, what, $2.84 million to pay each family in India $10,000 USD, in the case 284 children died?

So even though the Gates/India vaccine allegation is a "conspiracy theory", is it REALLY so "out there"?

Also consider - if Bill Gates develops a vaccine that can be produced cheaply and save a billion starving Black children in Africa, he will go down in history as a hero, by the Jewish media.  I could see him looking at it morally like this: "These starving African children were going to die anyway - but if the vaccine works, I can save millions of lives [or...make a boatload more cash]."

So is it REALLY so impossible that something like this happened?

Again - who advocates on behalf of starving people, living on under $2 USD per day?

People in THE WEST aren't able to successfully sue pharmaceutical companies...is anyone REALLY going to worry about deaths they cause to the world's poorest people?

It just seems like a group that [1] can't afford to advocate for themselves, [2] no one really pays attention to, despite all the virtue-signalling about caring about those in extreme poverty, and [3] would be a group that could be tested on for vaccines that have the potential to save lives.

All of this sounds sick to me...but they test on animals, right?  And eventually, drug companies start testing on people...it seems like doing this in Africa or India would be an easy way to test on humans without all of the red tape and regulatory delays that come with Western standards.

tl;dr.

Yes.

No, but I heard a similar story about vaccine testing gone awry in India, involving Bill Gates.

[Primemuscle]

And when she drops dead they'll say it wasn't the vaccine but pre-existing conditions, lol

Well, she's not risking much by getting the vaccine. At 90 years old, her projected remaining lifetime is not that long. The second person who got the vaccine is in his 80's. People this old have a worse survival rate should they get sick with Covid-19. At 76 years of age, I am following this situation closely.

[Flexacon]

I read somewhere that the EU has said 'no' to protection from lawsuits?

Anyone know about the claims of HCG "contamination" of vaccines in Africa (may have been India too)? Was that claim verified?

I posted that in a different thread. The US and UK agreed to give protection against lawsuits. The EU said no.

It was assumed the EU saying no would mean they'd be charged inflated prices for the vaccine and have lower priority in receiving them. Both cases turned out to be wrong. They ended up still having the same priority as the US and UK and at the same cost.

It's a pretty safe bet that the US and UK are in the pockets of big pharma.

[ThisisOverload]

It's a pretty safe bet that the US and UK are in the pockets of big pharma.

That's a pretty safe bet.

Aren't we the only country who has TV commercials for big pharma products? I thought i heard that a while back.

[Dave D]

Regarding the EU, I heard the same thing.  For whatever its faults, the EU made the right call on that one.

Regarding the contamination of vaccines, I heard that Bill Gates funded some vaccine testing in India, and multiple people - maybe in the hundreds...possibly alleged to be in the thousands, but I can't recall the exact number - died or became seriously ill or otherwise infected or in need of healthcare, as a result of a vaccine.  It may have been an oral polio vaccine [rather than a needle-based one] or some other vaccine that is usually intramuscular, but was in pill form.

I went online to verify the story, and everyone was saying it was a conspiracy theory.

But here's the thing - if you test a vaccine on the children of 10,000 or 100,000 [or however many] of the poorest families in a developing nation, exactly WHO will advocate on behalf of those children and their families in the event of the vaccine causing medical issues?

And 2020 has taught me that strange things have happened - both this year, and throughout history at a level I just didn't deeply ponder, I suppose.  Not only has this entire year been a statistical outlier like nothing I've ever seen before, I also learned that actual Hobbits used to exist on an island in Indonesia:

So...does this relate to Bill Gates and the Indian vaccine claim, and the subsequent online denial of his involvement?

Well...consider:

Is it REALLY so hard to believe that a person with the wealth and influence of Bill Gates would be able to have a "relatively safe" oral vaccine for a known intramuscular vaccine developed, and use his money to butter up a politician in India and have the vaccine tested on the poorest people in society, and do so by way of a series of shell companies and other measures, ultimately hiding his association with the eventual failed vaccine?  Ok - so, say 284 people died.

284 people.

284 of the POOREST people, no less - the children of the poorest people, and probably children who were already sick, with poor parents who had six kids, and who were informed of the risks, and the potential for financial reward in case anything went wrong.  And that would require, what, $2.84 million to pay each family in India $10,000 USD, in the case 284 children died?

So even though the Gates/India vaccine allegation is a "conspiracy theory", is it REALLY so "out there"?

Also consider - if Bill Gates develops a vaccine that can be produced cheaply and save a billion starving Black children in Africa, he will go down in history as a hero, by the Jewish media.  I could see him looking at it morally like this: "These starving African children were going to die anyway - but if the vaccine works, I can save millions of lives [or...make a boatload more cash]."

So is it REALLY so impossible that something like this happened?

Again - who advocates on behalf of starving people, living on under $2 USD per day?

People in THE WEST aren't able to successfully sue pharmaceutical companies...is anyone REALLY going to worry about deaths they cause to the world's poorest people?

It just seems like a group that [1] can't afford to advocate for themselves, [2] no one really pays attention to, despite all the virtue-signalling about caring about those in extreme poverty, and [3] would be a group that could be tested on for vaccines that have the potential to save lives.

All of this sounds sick to me...but they test on animals, right?  And eventually, drug companies start testing on people...it seems like doing this in Africa or India would be an easy way to test on humans without all of the red tape and regulatory delays that come with Western standards.

tl;dr.

Yes.

No, but I heard a similar story about vaccine testing gone awry in India, involving Bill Gates.

Matt this is an interesting post that I haven’t read but in regards to the starving people living off of $2 a day maybe we can send them to the Goodrum Group for some financial advice so they can cut the monthly food bill in half?

I’m tired of not reading about these poors living it up.

[Matt]

Matt this is an interesting post that I haven’t read but in regards to the starving people living off of $2 a day maybe we can send them to the Goodrum Group for some financial advice so they can cut the monthly food bill in half?

I’m tired of not reading about these poors living it up.

 

Hahahaha!!!  I'm working on a compromise where I highlight in bold the 7 sentences per 100 sentences per post I make that are actually relevant to the thread, so that no one accidentally gets roped in to reading any of my posts. 

But yes, that is a great idea...where do I go to invest my lifesavings in The Goodrum Group?

[Moontrane]

But, but, what about AstraZeneca and Oxford University's potential Covid-19 vaccine?  Why is the U.K. using America's vax?

[Matt]

But, but, what about AstraZeneca and Oxford University's potential Covid-19 vaccine?  Why is the U.K. using America's vax?

Good question...I can't do much but speculate there, but something like seven companies were working on a vaccine, from what I recall.

[Dave D]

Hahahaha!!!  I'm working on a compromise where I highlight in bold the 7 sentences per 100 sentences per post I make that are actually relevant to the thread, so that no one accidentally gets roped in to reading any of my posts. 

But yes, that is a great idea...where do I go to invest my lifesavings in The Goodrum Group?

[Flexacon]

But, but, what about AstraZeneca and Oxford University's potential Covid-19 vaccine?  Why is the U.K. using America's vax?

It was developed in Germany by a couple of Turks.

The Oxford vaccine will end up going to most of the 3rd world.

[Walter Sobchak]

Regarding the EU, I heard the same thing.  For whatever its faults, the EU made the right call on that one.

Regarding the contamination of vaccines, I heard that Bill Gates funded some vaccine testing in India, and multiple people - maybe in the hundreds...possibly alleged to be in the thousands, but I can't recall the exact number - died or became seriously ill or otherwise infected or in need of healthcare, as a result of a vaccine.  It may have been an oral polio vaccine [rather than a needle-based one] or some other vaccine that is usually intramuscular, but was in pill form.

I went online to verify the story, and everyone was saying it was a conspiracy theory.

But here's the thing - if you test a vaccine on the children of 10,000 or 100,000 [or however many] of the poorest families in a developing nation, exactly WHO will advocate on behalf of those children and their families in the event of the vaccine causing medical issues?

And 2020 has taught me that strange things have happened - both this year, and throughout history at a level I just didn't deeply ponder, I suppose.  Not only has this entire year been a statistical outlier like nothing I've ever seen before, I also learned that actual Hobbits used to exist on an island in Indonesia:

So...does this relate to Bill Gates and the Indian vaccine claim, and the subsequent online denial of his involvement?

Well...consider:

Is it REALLY so hard to believe that a person with the wealth and influence of Bill Gates would be able to have a "relatively safe" oral vaccine for a known intramuscular vaccine developed, and use his money to butter up a politician in India and have the vaccine tested on the poorest people in society, and do so by way of a series of shell companies and other measures, ultimately hiding his association with the eventual failed vaccine?  Ok - so, say 284 people died.

284 people.

284 of the POOREST people, no less - the children of the poorest people, and probably children who were already sick, with poor parents who had six kids, and who were informed of the risks, and the potential for financial reward in case anything went wrong.  And that would require, what, $2.84 million to pay each family in India $10,000 USD, in the case 284 children died?

So even though the Gates/India vaccine allegation is a "conspiracy theory", is it REALLY so "out there"?

Also consider - if Bill Gates develops a vaccine that can be produced cheaply and save a billion starving Black children in Africa, he will go down in history as a hero, by the Jewish media.  I could see him looking at it morally like this: "These starving African children were going to die anyway - but if the vaccine works, I can save millions of lives [or...make a boatload more cash]."

So is it REALLY so impossible that something like this happened?

Again - who advocates on behalf of starving people, living on under $2 USD per day?

People in THE WEST aren't able to successfully sue pharmaceutical companies...is anyone REALLY going to worry about deaths they cause to the world's poorest people?

It just seems like a group that [1] can't afford to advocate for themselves, [2] no one really pays attention to, despite all the virtue-signalling about caring about those in extreme poverty, and [3] would be a group that could be tested on for vaccines that have the potential to save lives.

All of this sounds sick to me...but they test on animals, right?  And eventually, drug companies start testing on people...it seems like doing this in Africa or India would be an easy way to test on humans without all of the red tape and regulatory delays that come with Western standards.

tl;dr.

Yes.

No, but I heard a similar story about vaccine testing gone awry in India, involving Bill Gates.

Jesus fucking Christ, have you never heard the word concise, you spastic turd?

NOTHING you have to say, or NO opinion you have is worth more than 50 words.

Fix your shit you Aspy fuck, you’re posts are becoming Shizzo-like in their suckage.

[Van_Bilderass]

Regarding the contamination of vaccines, I heard that Bill Gates funded some vaccine testing in India, and multiple people - maybe in the hundreds...possibly alleged to be in the thousands, but I can't recall the exact number - died or became seriously ill or otherwise infected or in need of healthcare, as a result of a vaccine. 

I wondered about the HCG contamination specifically because that would indicate the vaccine was a cover for making people in poor countries sterile, so the conspiracy theory goes. Bill Gates has talked about reducing total world population, and that would go well with climate change agenda. Less people, less pollution among other "benefits".
And that video joswift posted is quite curious. What's going on there? Would an expert use the word sterile in this context, or can it be a technically correct usage? The interviewers reaction is suspicioys as well.

[Matt]

Jesus fucking Christ, have you never heard the word concise, you spastic turd?

NOTHING you have to say, or NO opinion you have is worth more than 50 words.

Fix your shit you Aspy fuck, you’re posts are becoming Shizzo-like in their suckage.

SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST, AND IGNORE ALL OF THIS:

Shizzo made a comment about how we're selfish for not wearing a mask, and putting others at risk, not grasping that we're causing more damage fighting COVID than the virus itself is causing.

His post was so annoying that I was like "I'll never read another one of his posts again."

But since his posts are so small, I end up reading them anyway.

I have been considering shortening my online posts for about four years now.  There's something to be said about saying more with less.  But I was considering that long before anyone ever mentioned it to me.

Do you think that spewing insults at people is going to change their behaviour?  I can assure you, Walter - you are the LAST PERSON I am considering reducing my posts for as a courtesy, and it's specifically because you are being such an asshole about it, when I have never in my life engaged with you rudely or with disrespect.  If you made a rude comment or a ribbing here or there, whatever, but just the sheer level to which get angry makes me wish the Simple Machines forum software had a block feature.

I'm closing down my bodybuilding YouTube channels to devote the rest of my life to another topic online, but I acquired over 200 million views over the past 10 years, reaching an audience of over 200,000 daily at its peak.

So whether you want to admit it or not, and for whatever the reason may be, I am able to maintain an audience when I write or speak.

You're right that I type a lot, but you are wrong to state that my posts are devoid of quality.

A specific question about vaccine contamination in India was asked, and I went into considerable detail because I had researched the topic in-depth, and had some knowledge about it.  I wasn't just going on randomly about something - I was speaking about allegations regarding Bill Gates experimenting with vaccines on poor children in India - something which gained some traction online as a "conspiracy theory", but which I don't think is outside of the realm of possibility [and I explained my reason for thinking that].

My suggestion to you is to just read the posts you like, and ignore the posts you don't.

I would even say that my long posts are better for the people who don't like what I write, because they are easy to identify.  You could just look at it and say "Oh - another Matt post...I'll skip that."

I'm just trying to think of what practical reason you have to be so upset about my long posts.  The only thing I could think of is that your phone battery power is limited, and that long posts requiring you to scroll more causes your battery to drain faster, or end up costing you more in data.  In that case, I would actually feel badly about it.

But as of now, my only thought is "Why doesn't he just scroll past my posts?"

I mean, we're talking about split seconds here.

I'm just thinking...when does scrolling annoy me?  And it's usually in cases where I'm reading YouTube comments that can slow down your computer after a while, or where you are reading a comment and scroll, and can't find the spot where you were just reading because of how many comments there are.

I'm sitting here with a pensive look on my face right now, contemplating this...

I don't know, dude...I guess I just don't understand why you don't just scroll over my posts, lol.

tl;dr:

Consider not reading my posts? 

[Walter Sobchak]

Oh fuck, another verbose post by the Thunder Bay retard, I’ll skip past that mindless drivel.

[G_Thang]

The Era of FuckBoi Vaccines.

Moderna, Pfizer decline WHO invitation for COVID-19 "vaccine summit"

Of course they don't want to talk about the long side effects which they don't know of their fuckboi vaccines.

[Matt]

Oh fuck, another verbose post by the Thunder Bay retard, I’ll skip past that mindless drivel.

Well...is doing that really so hard?

I'm just not understanding the nature of your problem.
 
I remember the early days of smartphones...one day someone replied to a PM and said "Sorry for not getting back to you earlier, I didn't want to write a book on my phone."

So I realized that writing - and yes, reading - online is different than on a computer.  And if my long posts are causing your phone battery to drain, I can get why you're annoyed.

Nothing you're saying to me is making me want to reduce my post size for your benefit.  Obviously, YES, I am considering the Getbig community when I post...but my concerns when I post are [1] good spelling and grammar, [2] being on-topic and appropriate, [3] keeping profanity to a minimum, or not using it at all, [4] not hijacking the threads of others, [5] giving warnings for NSFW material, [6] not attacking other members personally, [7] not bringing people's family members into discussions, etc.

I don't know, dude...I guess I just don't see an issue with long posts on a public forum that people can just ignore.

When it comes to text messages and private messages, I DO keep them short...but IMO, that is more akin to following a person's rules while you are a guest in their home.

IMO, Getbig is more akin to being at a mall.  If Ron or any of the moderators INSISTED I reduce my post size...I would either do it, or stop posting here.

Believe me when I say this...even though your posts are so dick, I try to take from everything I read, and so far - I am still reading your posts, even though they are way too dick.  But I guess I just don't even understand why you seem so angry - almost enraged, even - at my long posts, when you could just be ignoring them.

Any answer, feel free to share.  Just keep your reply to under 100 words.

[Matt]

I wondered about the HCG contamination specifically because that would indicate the vaccine was a cover for making people in poor countries sterile, so the conspiracy theory goes. Bill Gates has talked about reducing total world population, and that would go well with climate change agenda. Less people, less pollution among other "benefits".
And that video joswift posted is quite curious. What's going on there? Would an expert use the word sterile in this context, or can it be a technically correct usage? The interviewers reaction is suspicioys as well.

You've given me some pause for thought...and while I enjoy learning, some of the possibilities regarding what you are talking about is rather depressing.  Just to think that we're possibly at a time where global elites are conspiring to drastically reduce the world population...that's not some insignificant agenda or anything.  I guess you could say that I think that's "kind of a big deal."

I'm pushing 40 now, and all things considered, things are going fairly well for me right now other than COVID.  But to say "other than COVID" is almost to say "Other than the fact that the regional communist party is slated to win the upcoming national election."

This is, without any doubt, the most unstable, and politically/economically and socially volatile year I have ever lived.  I was never much concerned about the virus itself, and only started reading about it in-depth in August.  Within the span of an afternoon, whatever COVID concerns I had were gone like a fart in the wind - especially with rafts of literal The Onion-like articles about COVID being churned out day after day:

"Covid-19 Now Discovered to Attach to Farts in the Wind and Travel Up to 75 Metres"

I was like...yeah, I'm going to stop being worried about this virus now...not like I ever was.

And I'm glad you brought up the video joswift posted, because I was wondering the same thing...is it possible that the term sterilize is being used in another context?  YouTube is doing a fantastic job scrubbing COVID skeptic videos off the site, so it makes it hard to even find analysis about this...nothing suspect about that or anything. 

[AbrahamG]

Oh fuck, another verbose post by the Thunder Bay retard, I’ll skip past that mindless drivel.

If Matt and Marty were going to have a debate, what 3 subjects would you like them to tackle?

[Moontrane]

The Era of FuckBoi Vaccines.

Moderna, Pfizer decline WHO invitation for COVID-19 "vaccine summit"

Of course they don't want to talk about the long side effects which they don't know of their fuckboi vaccines.

Ten years from now:

“If you received the 2021 COVID-19 vaccine, you may be entitled to compensation.”

 

[Walter Sobchak]

If Matt and Marty were going to have a debate, what 3 subjects would you like them to tackle?

Marty’s superior strength and genetics.

Marty’s superior intellect.

Spastic Matt’s inability to interact with people and his childish temper tantrums.

[Walter Sobchak]

Well...is doing that really so hard?

I'm just not understanding the nature of your problem.
 
I remember the early days of smartphones...one day someone replied to a PM and said "Sorry for not getting back to you earlier, I didn't want to write a book on my phone."

So I realized that writing - and yes, reading - online is different than on a computer.  And if my long posts are causing your phone battery to drain, I can get why you're annoyed.

Nothing you're saying to me is making me want to reduce my post size for your benefit.  Obviously, YES, I am considering the Getbig community when I post...but my concerns when I post are [1] good spelling and grammar, [2] being on-topic and appropriate, [3] keeping profanity to a minimum, or not using it at all, [4] not hijacking the threads of others, [5] giving warnings for NSFW material, [6] not attacking other members personally, [7] not bringing people's family members into discussions, etc.

I don't know, dude...I guess I just don't see an issue with long posts on a public forum that people can just ignore.

When it comes to text messages and private messages, I DO keep them short...but IMO, that is more akin to following a person's rules while you are a guest in their home.

IMO, Getbig is more akin to being at a mall.  If Ron or any of the moderators INSISTED I reduce my post size...I would either do it, or stop posting here.

Believe me when I say this...even though your posts are so dick, I try to take from everything I read, and so far - I am still reading your posts, even though they are way too dick.  But I guess I just don't even understand why you seem so angry - almost enraged, even - at my long posts, when you could just be ignoring them.

Any answer, feel free to share.  Just keep your reply to under 100 words.

Spastic Matt, at what point does your minimal self-awareness kick in and you finally realize no one on Getbig gives a flying fuck what you think, or what your Ritalin-driven opinion is on any subject?

Why don’t you scroll past the G&O or ask Ron to create a sub-forum for the blissfully stupid and unaware?

[AbrahamG]

If Matt is on the spectrum due to his being vaccinated as a child, perhaps he should get the covid vaccine and hope it reverses it.  The old two negatives make a positive line of thinking.

[G_Thang]

18 months minimum - 9 years maximum for vaccines and we are supposed to believe 100% in 6-8 month toilet bowl cleaners.

[the_doc]

Watch this at 1min 40 onwards

Its not just what he says, its the interviewers reaction to it like he was goi9ng to challenge him then someone shouted in his earpiece to let it go.
Any respectable journalist would have asked him to clarify what he meant

The Doctor is referring to sterilising immunity, Sterilizing immunity means that the immune system is able to stop the  viruses, from replicating within your body.

It has NOTHING to do with reproductive sterilisation. He should have used simpler language as I can see how it feeds to CT nuts and anyone else just wanting to be a dickhead on the internet.