Covid 19 Vaccines - Should you received it or be forced to?

[Primemuscle]

'The vaccine contains a  spike protein (see image) called  syncytin-1, vital for the formation of human placenta in women. If the vaccine works so that we form an immune response AGAINST the spike protein, we are also training the female body to attack syncytin-1, which could lead to infertility in women of an unspecified duration.'

'After a little research it turns out that Syncytin-1 is also present in sperm, so it’s not only Women that will be steralised but Men as well'

https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2020/12/02/head-of-pfizer-research-covid-vaccine-is-female-sterilization/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261257414_Syncytin-1_and_its_receptor_is_present_in_human_gametes

Very interesting protein, this Syncytin -1.

A research article published in PeerJ – Life & Environment on November 17, 2020 states that in a study the relative copy number of syncytin-1 in the pregnant group was significantly higher than in the non-pregnant group. Human chorionic gonadotropin (β-hCG) mRNAs increased. Preceding the transfer of frozen embryos, the increased copy number of syncytin-1 in the blastocyst trophectoderm was associated with good outcomes of pregnancies.

[Primemuscle]

Fucboi Leaders, Pharmas, Scientists and Vaccines.  Did anyone notice there are no influenza deaths this year?  Fucboi outta here!  You can make this stuff up.

Preliminary data suggests there were an estimated 24,000-62,000 flu deaths for the 2019-20 influenza season, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

While the CDC does not know the exact number of flu illnesses, medical visits, hospitalizations, and deaths from flu each season, their weekly preliminary models provide a guide to extrapolating their data.

https://www.contagionlive.com/view/how-deadly-was-the-2019-2020-flu-season

[Primemuscle]

No one will be sterilised because of this vaccine. If I’m wrong I’ll eat humble pie and buy everyone a beer. The spike shares a few aminos with that other receptor. If this was a likely consequence then you
might expect the actual Covid virus to cause infertility and there is no evidence to date ( and plenty of exposure) to suggest that.
Also that lad worked for Pfizer about 10 years ago and he is not now nor never was the ‘head of research’ This is simply anti-vax bull crap.

You are likely right. Not wrong. It only took a few minutes of research to find an article that pretty much states the opposite because syncytin-1 actually improves the chances of a fertilized egg becoming implanted in the womb.   

[Primemuscle]

Covid-19 vaccine: Allergy warning over new jab

2 NHS workers suffered anaphylaxis after getting covid vaccine.

Source here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-55244122

"1"

No vaccine is foolproof.  In a study of "Risk of anaphylaxis after vaccination in children and adults" published in 2015, the rate of anaphylaxis was 1.31 (95% CI, 0.90-1.84) per million vaccine doses.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783279/

[Primemuscle]

Does your user name denote being a doctor?  If so, why are you pushing a vaccine for a virus that kills people who are on average 84.8 years old, with 2-3 separate health conditions?  Do you know that from an actuarial science perspective, that the people who die of this virus are within the last 6-18 months of their lives anyway?

I can go on here...how about the fact that Canada is spending $1 billion a day to prevent a virus that kills people with five feet in the grave anyway, when that money could be used to extend the lives of people by DECADES?

I've never meant a person with five feet. Are there a lot of them? 

[Primemuscle]

While I won't get a vaccine without being forced, I think I'm done debating COVID stuff.  It's not merely the fact that I now have two lawyers working with me over my trespassing charge for not wearing a mask, but I'm trying to convince youngish people not to be afraid of a virus when only 26 people under 40 have died, out of over 18 million in that age range.

In Canada, as of 2020-12-10, 297 Canadians under the age of 60 have died of Canada, according to the Public Health Agency of Canada.

And I have friends wearing masks while entering stores, and sanitizing coffee cups handed to them in some kind of tray on a stick by a Tim Hortons worker wearing gloves.

Now with seemingly half of Getbig - literally the community of strongest and smartest men I know - telling me that COVID is a concern, or that an 8-month-old vaccine is ok to take...it's just too much to bear.

I'm sure some Getbiggers have suggested I get psychological help before.  I probably need it, if I intend to live in a world filled with so many people concerned about a virus that they didn't get, that they know no one who died of, that they know no one who was seriously ill of - and in most cases, that they know no one who even got at all.

So...what's an acceptable way to go there?  Is a normal psychologist ok, or should I seek out the services of a psychiatrist [for those who don't know, psychologists have Ph.D's in psychology, whereas psychiatrists are actual medical doctors]?

You seem to be accused of trespassing a lot. Now that you are paying two lawyers to defend you for not following a government issued mandate, do you feel not wearing a mask to make a statement was worth it?

https://www.ontario.ca/page/face-coverings-and-face-masks#:~:text=The%20best%20way%20to%20stop,physical%20distancing%20is%20a%20challenge.

[Matt]

^ You post too much, Prime.  Jk.

Prime [and Walter], check this out:

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1829670467550

^ 4 out of 22,000 people who were administered the vaccine got Bell's Palsy?  LMAO!  I'll be lining up to get this inoculation as soon as possible!  And this:

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/509059-cornell-university-vaccine-white-only

^ White students forced to be used as guinea pigs for COVID vaccine.

[Matt]

You seem to be accused of trespassing a lot. Now that you are paying two lawyers to defend you for not following a government issued mandate, do you feel not wearing a mask to make a statement was worth it?

https://www.ontario.ca/page/face-coverings-and-face-masks#:~:text=The%20best%20way%20to%20stop,physical%20distancing%20is%20a%20challenge.

As per the link that you just posted, I am legally exempt from wearing a mask.

And yes - I'm used to standing up for my rights.  And winning when I do.

Any other questions?

[harmankardon1]

Severe reactions have generally been lower in the elderly and I'm sure that they'd prefer not spend the last few years they have left hiding away from the virus, so I'm not too worried about them getting the shots. I'm telling my mother to get the Pfizer one.

The rest of us definitely need to wait for more data though and to see the results of other vaccines.

Also they are definitely aware that severe reactions (usually from the second shot) will become an issue for vaccine uptake, so they've started trialling giving a different vaccine instead as the second shot.

The thing here in Australia, is we have fuck all virus. So imo it's not worth getting the vaccine at all..

If I was over 60 in USA or uk etc where numbers are high, it then becomes a personal consideration, people should be given the actual facts including the high rates of adverse effects and make their decision. People should not be forced to take any vaccine.

What is the second vaccine they are using? Modernas vaccine data is worse than Pfizers they're up to 8% significant adverse effects.

 The alpha virus sequence is used in all saRNA vaccines, as is the lipid coating for entry, these are two of the issues with reactivity so I'm skeptical of improvement, though of course it's worth a shot.

[Matt]

The thing here in Australia, is we have fuck all virus. So imo it's not worth getting the vaccine at all..

If I was over 60 in USA or uk etc where numbers are high, it then becomes a personal consideration, people should be given the actual facts including the high rates of adverse effects and make their decision. People should not be forced to take any vaccine.

What is the second vaccine they are using? Modernas vaccine data is worse than Pfizers they're up to 8% significant adverse effects.

 The alpha virus sequence is used in all saRNA vaccines, as is the lipid coating for entry, these are two of the issues with reactivity so I'm skeptical of improvement, though of course it's worth a shot.

harmankardon1...unrelate d to my question to you below, but was the username harmankardon taken?

Do you have half an hour?  If so, would you or could you watch this video, or even a portion of it?

I'm trying to be rational regarding my take on COVID, but with so many people opposing me, I feel like either my mask of sanity is slipping or [hopefully] it's just a matter of people who side with me being afraid to speak out.

Do you think the video below is the stuff of conspiracy theory?  Should I stop following this YouTuber [Irish Dave Cullen - Computing Forever]:

Your opinion would be appreciated.  Thank you.

[Flexacon]

The thing here in Australia, is we have fuck all virus. So imo it's not worth getting the vaccine at all..

If I was over 60 in USA or uk etc where numbers are high, it then becomes a personal consideration, people should be given the actual facts including the high rates of adverse effects and make their decision. People should not be forced to take any vaccine.

What is the second vaccine they are using? Modernas vaccine data is worse than Pfizers they're up to 8% significant adverse effects.

 The alpha virus sequence is used in all saRNA vaccines, as is the lipid coating for entry, these are two of the issues with reactivity so I'm skeptical of improvement, though of course it's worth a shot.

I assumed the second vaccine shot would be an adenovirus vector vaccine (Oxford/AZ). They have good data on that vaccine for under 55s, but it isn't as effective as the mRNA vaccines. The immune system launching a response to both the adenovirus and the spike protein seems to be what's making it less effective. I can see the logic in giving both and seeing what happens. Hopefully it goes somewhere.

TBH  I think vaccine wise they now have enough to move on. Pfizer vaccine for over 55s and the Oxford vaccine for under 55s who want it. The virus won't disappear completely, but it's more than enough for everything to get back to normal by late 2021. If better vaccines and therapeutics come along then that's even better. That applies to every country. Australia, US, UK, even China.

[Matt]

I assumed the second vaccine shot would be an adenovirus vector vaccine (Oxford/AZ). They have good data on that vaccine for under 55s, but it isn't as effective as the mRNA vaccines. The immune system launching a response to both the adenovirus and the spike protein seems to be what's making it less effective. I can see the logic in giving both and seeing what happens. Hopefully it goes somewhere.

TBH  I think vaccine wise they now have enough to move on. Pfizer vaccine for over 55s and the Oxford vaccine for under 55s who want it. The virus won't disappear completely, but it's more than enough for everything to get back to normal by late 2021. If better vaccines and therapeutics come along then that's even better. That applies to every country. Australia, US, UK, even China.

You post intelligently, and I don't have any problem saying that some of what you say goes over my head.  Virology and vaccine-delivery technology are two topics that are not within my area of knowledge.

So...out of curiosity, what do you make of COVID in general?  Yes, I am hoping you post a giant reply.  I'm just wondering what someone who seems to be an intelligent person has to say about the entire COVID virus existence/pandemic and [more importantly, to me] COVID global community response.

For example, according to the Public Health Agency of Canada, as of 2020-09-23, 297 Canadians under the age of 60 had died of COVID.  I'm not sure how many people there are in Canada in that age range - it could be 24 million, it could be 31 million - so let's just say that 29,700,000 Canadians are under 60 [this may not be the correct number, but it's not like it's far off - I would have to check with Stats Canada to see].

That would mean 297 Canadians under 60 have died out of 29,700,000 in that age range.

That's 0.001%, meaning that 99.999% of Canadians under the age of 60 who were alive at this time last year did not die of COVID as of today.

Flexacon, do you feel that the response to COVID has been appropriate and proportional?  Just curious what a smart person has to think about this [since I'm not exactly surrounded by smart people in real life].

[Walter Sobchak]

Walter, do you recommend a psychologist, psychiatrist, offing myself, or something else?

It's not that I want to die...it's that I don't want to live in this brave new, abnormal world, if that makes any sense.

Otherwise, I'm serious.

And tell me something else, Walter: you seem like a non-leftist [non-libtard]...where do you see things going?  Do you think in a year or so, things will be back to normal, without a vaccine being forced, etc?  How do you see this play out?

500 words or more, please.

Matt,

I think you need to stop giving so much credibility to what self-proclaimed experts say on the news or internet. You’re a smart (small) guy, step back and look at the real statistics behind the COVID scare (CDC stats on excess deaths in 2020) and draw your own conclusions.

For a guy like me, I won’t be affected much by the abject failure the Biden administration will be. My companies survived the Obama administration and it would be hard to believe that even a walking corpse like Hairplugs could be worse than Barry Oblowjob.

The sooner people see that the Democrats worked with China and COVID was used to crash the U.S. economy just to try to remove President Donald Trump the better off you will be.

Don’t off yourself Matt...if you feel you’re at wits end, at least strap a couple hundred pounds of C4 to yourself and take out a wide swath of liberals with your last act on earth. Now I know a cowardly cuckboi like you will never take any type of bold action, so you’re probably better off going over to Lakehead and playing hide and go seek with campus security.

[Matt]

Matt,

I think you need to stop giving so much credibility to what self-proclaimed experts say on the news or internet. You’re a smart (small) guy, step back and look at the real statistics behind the COVID scare (CDC stats on excess deaths in 2020) and draw your own conclusions.

For a guy like me, I won’t be affected much by the abject failure the Biden administration will be. My companies survived the Obama administration and it would be hard to believe that even a walking corpse like Hairplugs could be worse than Barry Oblowjob.

The sooner people see that the Democrats worked with China and COVID was used to crash the U.S. economy just to try to remove President Donald Trump the better off you will be.

Don’t off yourself Matt...if you feel you’re at wits end, at least strap a couple hundred pounds of C4 to yourself and take out a wide swath of liberals with your last act on earth. Now I know a cowardly cuckboi like you will never take any type of bold action, so you’re probably better off going over to Lakehead and playing hide and go seek with campus security.

In 2007, I punched a police officer in the face who was attempting to illegally pull my friend out of my car when we were just sitting there talking in a McDonald's parking lot [he was a drug addict who died in 2012, but...so what?  That doesn't give the cop the right to pull him out of my car].

For that, I spent two days in jail, seven months on conditions, and 14 months in court over it - not to mention thousands of dollars in legal fees, all for what?  Defending my rights?  I was ultimately acquitted of all four charges, because...apparently sitting in a McDonald's parking lot talking isn't illegal - at least not in Ontario.

I guess I just have to defend that one point you made, because it involves my honour.  You're saying I don't have balls, and I'm saying I do.  In Ontario, we have the legal right to not wear masks if we are medically exempt.  Now I had to deal with being trespassed, having two police officers escort me out of a store, being trespassed for six months, and acquiring the services of two lawyers to deal with this.

I waited as the police were on their way, knowing full well that I had the potential to be arrested, and you're saying I don't have balls.  Well - what is everyone else doing?  Going along with the news on this like sheep.

Would I take part in a kamikaze mission to take down a bunch of liberals?  Well...wait, are you saying such a mission is currently taking recruits?

Jk.  But on a serious note - good post.  I'm trying NOT to think about the possibility of the global economy collapsing, and even though I agree 100% with your analysis, I just...I guess I'm just having a hard time accepting it, and wish I could just be more like you on that.

[Zillotch]

In 2007, I punched a police officer in the face

way to go, matt

[Flexacon]

Flexacon, do you feel that the response to COVID has been appropriate and proportional?  Just curious what a smart person has to think about this [since I'm not exactly surrounded by smart people in real life].

I can't give you an unbiased answer as I have very little sympathy for people who are unhealthy because of poor lifestyle choices. Those were the people most at risk from covid after the elderly and the elderly have had a chance at life, so...

However stop potatoeing. You said you have a maths degree, but you're looking at the numbers all wrong.

29,700,000  under 60 have not been infected for you to be able to arrive at your 0.001% figure. I'd guess only around 10% of that 29.7 million have been infected. Also you need to factor in several thousands who would be left with long term illnesses after infection.

If I tried to take bias out of the equation then you'd what Australia and New Zealand have done. If it's too late for that then you let the virus hit hard once whilst locking away the elderly, have a short lockdown and then allow for a slower and more "controlled" spread. London and New York basically did that initially and they haven't had much in the way of a second wave of deaths.

Anything else right now is just politicking.

[Matt]

way to go, matt

Are you saying that standing up for my rights is somehow a bad thing?  If a police officer pulled you over and attempted to strip search you, would you allow it?  If not, then we're on the same page.  If so - way to go, Zillotch.

In my case, the police officer was grabbing my friend out of my car, on suspicion he had drugs on him, which he did not.  And I knew that my friend, while having used drugs in his life [obviously - sadly, he died in 2012 of an opiate overdose], did not have drugs in his possession at that moment.

I attempted to lock my car door.  I told my friend to not get out of the car, and attempted to pull him back into my car.  Exactly what, pray tell, was I supposed to do?

In the end, I punched the cop, got arrested, and my friend got dragged into the McDonald's bathroom and searched, and no drugs were found.  I was strip-searched at the police station, where no drugs or anything illegal was found on me, nor inside my car.  I had three naNOX9 pills in my front left jacket pocket in a plastic bag, which were tested for drugs.    As well as a bleach that was in an unlabeled clear plastic container, in my car.  They said they suspected it was date rape drug [GHB]. 

Hence why I attempted to stop the situation before it started to begin with.  I'm not going to comply with an illegal search with a police officer - I stand my ground.  And in that case, it meant flipping a police officer on his back and punching him out.

A few years later, someone else had a similar incident with police, sued, and ultimately won over $100,000.  The police here are lucky I didn't sue them, and they know full well that I could have.

Anyway, exactly what part of any of this do you have a problem with?  Did you miss the part where I said I was fully acquitted?

A police officer acted illegally, assaulted my friend, and when I attempted to stop it, I eventually had to punch him in self-defense, and was fully exonerated in a court of law.

I guess I'm just confused as to what exactly I did wrong - especially given the fact that this matter went to court and was fully settled in my favour, AND the police officer in question was reprimanded for his actions against me.

[Zillotch]

Are you saying

goodness... I was trying to give u props, phaggot... lol

[Matt]

I can't give you an unbiased answer as I have very little sympathy for people who are unhealthy because of poor lifestyle choices. Those were the people most at risk from covid after the elderly and the elderly have had a chance at life, so...

I know what you mean.  I was at the park with my little girl and her mom in September, and a woman was nearby, and we ended up talking.  At some point, I said "Canada's deficit is projected to be $343 billion this year, but the survival rate is something like 99.7% for people under 70.  I feel like that money can be better spent elsewhere.

With a very serious look on her face, she then scolded me about it, suggesting I was being irresponsible about public health.  Meanwhile, this woman was AT LEAST 100-lb overweight [she was at least 220-lb, at around 5'6"], and had what looked to be face herpes.  They weren't pimples - they were shingles/zosters, or something else.

Not exactly the type of person I want scolding me about public health [ditto for our morbidly obese premier in Ontario, Doug Ford - how about lose 100-lb first].

However stop potatoeing. You said you have a maths degree, but you're looking at the numbers all wrong.

29,700,000  under 60 have not been infected for you to be able to arrive at your 0.001% figure. I'd guess only around 10% of that 29.7 million have been infected.

Read my words:

That's 0.001%, meaning that 99.999% of Canadians under the age of 60 who were alive at this time last year did not die of COVID as of today.

^ I didn't say the virus has a 99.999% survival rate, I said that 99.999% of Canadians under 60 alive this time last year did not die of COVID as of today.

But if we do talk about survival rate, is it "only" 99.7% for people under 60?  Lol, ok - what difference does that make?  Ok - point conceded - "only" 99.7% of people under 60 who get COVID will die of it.  Am I supposed to be scared?

Also you need to factor in several thousands who would be left with long term illnesses after infection.

I don't think we have good data on that, and in terms being afraid of "What If?" scenarios, I think you're smarter than that.  But point conceded - yes, there is the possibility of long-term issues with respect to COVID.  But without actual evidence, I am not worried about it.

If I tried to take bias out of the equation then you'd what Australia and New Zealand have done. If it's too late for that then you let the virus hit hard once whilst locking away the elderly, have a short lockdown and then allow for a slower and more "controlled" spread. London and New York basically did that initially and they haven't had much in the way of a second wave of deaths.

Anything else right now is just politicking.

I think you left out a word in your first sentence, but I think I know what you meant to write.

I'm going to grab some more data which I'm curious to get your view on.

[Matt]

Flexacon,

What do you make of the stats below for the 2018-2019 flu season, versus the 2019-2020 flu season?

If masks, social distancing, lock-downs, etc, made a big difference, and given that normal seasonal influenza and Covid-19 virus particles are both roughly the same size in terms of micron length, wouldn't masks reduce the spread of the normal flu to a similar extent as it would reduce the spread of COVID?  Or do you feel differently about that?

What do you make of these figures, comparing the past two flu seasons?:

Final 2019/20 Flu Numbers

Between October 1, 2019 and April 4, 2020, the flu resulted in:

39 to 56 million illnesses
410,000 to 740,000 hospitalizations
24,000 to 62,000 deaths
195 pediatric deaths

https://hive.rochesterregional.org/2020/01/Flu-season-2020

October 1, 2018–April 30, 2019, the flu resulted in:

37.4 million to 42.9 million illnesses
531,000 to 647,000 hospitalizations
36,400 to 61,200 deaths in the United States.
116 pediatric deaths

Also, 17.3 million–20.1 million medical visits.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6824a3.htm

[Walter Sobchak]

In 2007, I punched a police officer in the face who was attempting to illegally pull my friend out of my car when we were just sitting there talking in a McDonald's parking lot [he was a drug addict who died in 2012, but...so what?  That doesn't give the cop the right to pull him out of my car].

For that, I spent two days in jail, seven months on conditions, and 14 months in court over it - not to mention thousands of dollars in legal fees, all for what?  Defending my rights?  I was ultimately acquitted of all four charges, because...apparently sitting in a McDonald's parking lot talking isn't illegal - at least not in Ontario.

I guess I just have to defend that one point you made, because it involves my honour.  You're saying I don't have balls, and I'm saying I do.  In Ontario, we have the legal right to not wear masks if we are medically exempt.  Now I had to deal with being trespassed, having two police officers escort me out of a store, being trespassed for six months, and acquiring the services of two lawyers to deal with this.

I waited as the police were on their way, knowing full well that I had the potential to be arrested, and you're saying I don't have balls.  Well - what is everyone else doing?  Going along with the news on this like sheep.

Would I take part in a kamikaze mission to take down a bunch of liberals?  Well...wait, are you saying such a mission is currently taking recruits?

Jk.  But on a serious note - good post.  I'm trying NOT to think about the possibility of the global economy collapsing, and even though I agree 100% with your analysis, I just...I guess I'm just having a hard time accepting it, and wish I could just be more like you on that.

Matty Aspy, you obviously equate your lack of respect for authority to some perverse version of machismo. That’s okay, lots of closet homos lash out with slap fights and purse swinging when they have their estrogen driven temper tantrums.

Instead of whining about who is right or wrong in trivial matters like trespassing, why don’t you focus your energy and diminished intellect on getting a fucking job and becoming a productive member of society? No one cares about your great moralistic and principled stands in Thunder Bay. Your actions are silent farts in a hurricane. Since your not blessed or equipped with the ability to step outside yourself and gain the slightest bit of perspective, let your brethren here at Getbig help.

You are a board joke and are tolerated because we all love a good train wreck.

Grow up, you’re almost 40, you act like a teen high school girl who measures her life in likes and retweets.

Stop asking for opinions of fellow Getbiggers to strike up an attention-whoring dialogue. Talking to you is like carrying on a conversation with Shizzo while he pretends to be Primepedo.

[Matt]

goodness... I was trying to give u props, phaggot... lol

Hang on...you posted in-depth regarding COVID, and I'll admit - I profile.  I assume academic people tend to be pro-police.  And the fact that you quoted just that one portion of my post to comment on, just made me think you were unhappy about it.

So I assumed you to be pro-police, and figured you were being sarcastic, based on [1] your in-depth/academic posts on COVID, and [2] the fact that you quoted only a small portion of my post.

But if you were giving me props, my question now becomes: why do you think it's a good thing to punch a police officer?  Do you mean, in the context of an illegal arrest?

[Flexacon]

But if we do talk about survival rate, is it "only" 99.7% for people under 60?  Lol, ok - what difference does that make?  Ok - point conceded - "only" 99.7% of people under 60 who get COVID will die of it.  Am I supposed to be scared?

I didn't say you should be scared. FYI the survival rate is probably closer to 99.9% for under 60's

I don't think we have good data on that, and in terms being afraid of "What If?" scenarios, I think you're smarter than that.  But point conceded - yes, there is the possibility of long-term issues with respect to COVID.  But without actual evidence, I am not worried about it.

There is data on it. Roughly 1 in 20 who recover have some form of long. Again it's usually the unhealthy.

I think you left out a word in your first sentence, but I think I know what you meant to write.

I'm going to grab some more data which I'm curious to get your view on.

The problem for a lot of Western countries is that the elderly and overweight are the majority, otherwise the virus a non issue.

[Zillotch]

Hang on...

u must focus on reality.

step 1

read the bible.

take care

[Moontrane]

The problem for a lot of Western countries is that the elderly and overweight are the majority, otherwise the virus a non issue.

The rate at which Americans are overweight has been pretty constant over the past 60 years – 40%

What has drastically changed over that time is the obesity rate – tripling from 13 to 39 percent.   Throw in more heart disease, diabetes, and other ailments, and it’s no wonder so many folk are dying.