BDS is it coming or is it already here?

[OzmO]

My own bias is based on reality not feelings.  You actually support this insane shit?

What’s insane about it?

[Soul Crusher]

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-bidens-assistant-secretary-health-pick-contribute-elderly-deaths-1562802

From the article:

There is no evidence to support Greene's claim that Levine placed coronavirus-positive patients in nursing home facilities, thus likely contributing "to the thousands of elderly deaths in Pennsylvania."

It is true that coronavirus nursing home-associated deaths have risen in the state.

However, although Levine serves as the Pennsylvania secretary of health and was active in that position when the state's health department issued the guidance to nursing home facilities saying they can accept patients from hospitals and patients who formerly had COVID-19, that does not prove she placed coronavirus-positive patients in nursing homes or contributed to thousands of elderly deaths in the state.

He took his own mom out of the nursing home before he commenced the purge of the elderly. 

[OzmO]

He took his own mom out of the nursing home before he commenced the purge of the elderly.

They(making her non-binary now lol) didn’t purge the elderly.

Your assertion is false. 

[Humble Narcissist]

What’s insane about it?

A man thinking he is a woman is insanity.  The fact that you don't realize that explains a lot.

[OzmO]

A man thinking he is a woman is insanity.  The fact that you don't realize that explains a lot.

For straight men like you or me, yes.

But, again, I don't fucking care.  Can a cross dressing, non-binary, transvestite, gay, stuff animal dressing, homornal a sexual, auto sexual, homo sexual, etc. do their job?  If so I don't fucking care.

I am not so narrow minded and fearful of people different from me.  To each their own.  Just don't tell me how to live my life and that goes bible thumping evangelists who live a double standard and well as homophobes who are secretly gay. 

I would rather people live their lives free and how they want to be rather then repressed.

Smoke your pot, keeps your guns, be gay, be non-bianary, be vegan, be left, be right......  Free country.  Are you a productive citizen?  Welcome to America!

[Humble Narcissist]

It has nothing to do with being straight, it has to do with being sane.  Any man who thinks he is really a woman is insane.  100 years ago he would be in a padded room in a straight jacket getting electric shock therapy 2X a week.  Now he's promoted.

[OzmO]

It has nothing to do with being straight, it has to do with being sane.  Any man who thinks he is really a woman is insane.  100 years ago he would be in a padded room in a straight jacket getting electric shock therapy 2X a week.  Now he's promoted.

100 years we knew very little about the human psyche.  So much so that we perform unneeded lobotomies, committed sane people to asylums, had little to no understanding of human development or psychology. 

In addition, less than 100 years ago we have committed multiple genocide for people who were of a different culture, there were linch mobs, and people were actually thrown in jail for being gay.

We were fucking archaic.

Maybe you should join 2021?    We still have a long way to go, but fear based ignorant biases are becoming less and less.

Under your logic, a person who is a transgender lacks the mental sanity to be a doctor or some other professional, yet there are many many functional accomplished transgenders today.  As opposed to the straight guy who is a alcoholic and abuses his children.  But hey, at least he doesn't wear a dress right?   

[illuminati]

Would you take health advice from this person who is not only physically grotesque and obese - but also mentally ill?

NO & Neither should any Sane Normal person. Mentally ill, obese & Fugly Not a Fucking Chance I’d listen
To anything That Thing has to Say.

[illuminati]

We've never had a more profoundly dishonest, un-American and incompetent POTUS as Trump

I am looking forward to seeing him and members of his crime family in jail

It needs to happen for the good of the country

Lock Him Up !

And Biden is Honest & Truthful??? 🤔 🙄🙄🙄 
1988 Presidential run - Ring any Bells..??

[illuminati]

She isn't a she. He is a delusional head case.  To put someone like this in a health department role is either trolling or really insane.

Exactly Right. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[illuminati]

She doesn't have the position to be a personal trainer.

She has the position because of past work in the same arena that makes her/him a good choice.

Your view of her is tainted because of your own bias.

Me, I don't give a fuck. can she do her job?

HTH - It’s a MAN Not a Female of the Species.

[illuminati]

For straight men like you or me, yes.

But, again, I don't fucking care.  Can a cross dressing, non-binary, transvestite, gay, stuff animal dressing, homornal a sexual, auto sexual, homo sexual, etc. do their job?  If so I don't fucking care.

I am not so narrow minded and fearful of people different from me.  To each their own.  Just don't tell me how to live my life and that goes bible thumping evangelists who live a double standard and well as homophobes who are secretly gay. 

I would rather people live their lives free and how they want to be rather then repressed.

Smoke your pot, keeps your guns, be gay, be non-bianary, be vegan, be left, be right......  Free country.  Are you a productive citizen?  Welcome to America!

🤔  So a unrepressed Peadophile lover who promotes sex with Children But says they Don’t have Sex with Children themselves would be Fine in that job or any job As Long As They Can Do the Job
& Get Results - Nothing else Matters - Free Country & a productive citizen  - Welcome to America. 

FTN.

[OzmO]

HTH - It’s a MAN Not a Female of the Species.

I don't really care what a person thinks they are.  Stay out of the wrong bathroom, of course.   But do your job good, be productive, and being a transgender will not prevent you from having the same opportunities as others.

[OzmO]

🤔  So a unrepressed Peadophile lover who promotes sex with Children But says they Don’t have Sex with Children themselves would be Fine in that job or any job As Long As They Can Do the Job
& Get Results - Nothing else Matters - Free Country & a productive citizen  - Welcome to America. 

FTN.

Promotes sex with children?  Isn't that agains that against the law?

Pedophillia is different because the very act is illegal but beyond that (to those who want to nit pick the question of legality) there is a victim involved.  If a person wants to be a woman, there isn't a victim involved.  Or, for example, if a person wants to have sex with the same gender as long as they are 2 consenting adults, there are no victims involved. 

But to make it more clear, I appreciate the argument you brought to the table.  So an unrepressed "(fill in the blank)" should be ok as long as they do a good job?  Of course this isn't fill in the blank assertion.  A serial killer, a rapist, klepto, etc. is not ok.
Obviously. 

[illuminati]

Promotes sex with children?  Isn't that agains that against the law?

Pedophillia is different because the very act is illegal but beyond that (to those who want to nit pick the question of legality) there is a victim involved.  If a person wants to be a woman, there isn't a victim involved.  Or, for example, if a person wants to have sex with the same gender as long as they are 2 consenting adults, there are no victims involved. 

But to make it more clear, I appreciate the argument you brought to the table.  So an unrepressed "(fill in the blank)" should be ok as long as they do a good job?  Of course this isn't fill in the blank assertion.  A serial killer, a rapist, klepto, etc. is not ok.
Obviously.

Okay Let’s Clear this up a bit for you.
A person attracted to young children Isn’t Breaking the Law as Long as they don’t act on those thoughts
& Touch / Abuse Children & I don’t think Them promoting sex with Children is Illegal either,
As Islamic men openly say marrying a 6/7/8/9 yr old is acceptable.

So in your Free country The unrepressed Paedo as Long as they Can do a Good Job is Fine by you ??
That’s what you’ve Stated Nothing else Matters just that they can do the Job. 🙄

[illuminati]

Ozmo

I posted in haste & didn’t fully read you’re reply. 😱

So you are also saying that in some circumstances you Find it Not ok for whoever to do the job
Because of the way they are / act & Things They Do.

Great then you do agree with us that Not everyone should do a job because they’re capable of
Doing it & other factors come into play / consideration.

[OzmO]

Ozmo

I posted in haste & didn’t fully read you’re reply. 😱

So you are also saying that in some circumstances you Find it Not ok for whoever to do the job
Because of the way they are / act & Things They Do.

Great then you do agree with us that Not everyone should do a job because they’re capable of
Doing it & other factors come into play / consideration.

That's the problem with making a broad statement such as i did when i said people should be free to live how they want to live.

It opens the door to bringing up other situations that relate to the principle i asserted but don't necessarily relate to the issue at hand with a transgender or in practical sense all together.

A pedo and transgender are two very different things. 

[Montague]

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-bidens-assistant-secretary-health-pick-contribute-elderly-deaths-1562802

From the article:

There is no evidence to support Greene's claim that Levine placed coronavirus-positive patients in nursing home facilities, thus likely contributing "to the thousands of elderly deaths in Pennsylvania."

It is true that coronavirus nursing home-associated deaths have risen in the state.

However, although Levine serves as the Pennsylvania secretary of health and was active in that position when the state's health department issued the guidance to nursing home facilities saying they can accept patients from hospitals and patients who formerly had COVID-19, that does not prove she placed coronavirus-positive patients in nursing homes or contributed to thousands of elderly deaths in the state.

You are misreading the guideline.
The verbiage from the very article you quoted:

In an effort to alleviate the burden on primary care settings such as hospitals, the guidance states that nursing homes "must continue to accept new admissions and receive readmissions for current residents who have been discharged from the hospital who are stable," and that "This may include stable patients who have had the COVID-19 virus."

"Must" means they were FORCED to take in infected patient, meaning that the Secretary of Health and the Health Department DIRECTLY ORDERED THE PLACING OF CORONAVIRUS-POSITIVE PATIENTS IN NURSING HOMES.

[OzmO]

You are misreading the guideline.
The verbiage from the very article you quoted:


"Must" means they were FORCED to take in infected patient, meaning that the Secretary of Health and the Health Department DIRECTLY ORDERED THE PLACING OF CORONAVIRUS-POSITIVE PATIENTS IN NURSING HOMES.

Nope, the key point here is that they “had” the virus.  And... that they were discharged and stable.  Read up on COVID.  once you have had and are not experiencing symptoms for a period of time (our policy at work is 14 days after you test positive, which I have read is more then needed) you aren’t  contagious.  I believe the CDC says 10 days after the onset of symptoms. 

Combine that with no evidence/ data showing a spike above the normal deaths in nursing homes in other states and the whole assertion falls flat.

[illuminati]

That's the problem with making a broad statement such as i did when i said people should be free to live how they want to live.

It opens the door to bringing up other situations that relate to the principle i asserted but don't necessarily relate to the issue at hand with a transgender or in practical sense all together.

A pedo and transgender are two very different things.

It is the problem when you make broad sweeping statements & They are Flawed & you continue
To deride others for Not agreeing & accepting your point of view.
Best to be accurate I isn’t it. 😀

Your initial statement doesn’t hold up & your now looking for a way out, just admit it was a flawed statement & some folk shouldn’t be doing a job just because they can - Other factors come into
Play & Rightly or wrongly should stop them from doing said job.


Yes a man thinking & pretending to be a woman is very different to someone who has paedophilic tendencies correct, & A centipede & a Giraffe Are Two Very Different Things - And ??

We & others have differing opinions & that’s as it should be. 👍🏻

[chaos]

What does that have to do with whether or not she can do her job?

 Are you  saying that because she is a tranny that she is mentally unstable and prone to suicide and therefor not a good candidate for the job?   That’s stupid and ignorant.  It too shows your view of her is tainted because of your bias.

Really? You're a pretty bad troll and fence sitter, waiting for the winning side for you to jump ship.
Yes, his depression, medical issues, pills, therapist and all the other baggage that comes with being mentally unstable is an issue in making decisions that affect millions of lives. Since he only go the job based on the fact that he's playing the role of a women, I figure any real woman would be pissed that some dude in drag is taking a position solely based on the fact that he's pretending to be a she.

[Dos Equis]

You are misreading the guideline.
The verbiage from the very article you quoted:


"Must" means they were FORCED to take in infected patient, meaning that the Secretary of Health and the Health Department DIRECTLY ORDERED THE PLACING OF CORONAVIRUS-POSITIVE PATIENTS IN NURSING HOMES.

Correct.  Horrible decision.  And if these "recovered" patients were not a threat she wouldn't have quietly moved her mother out of a care home.  Scandalous. 

But what President Biden does is pick people based on their demographic, not their qualifications.  He decided to select a black woman for VP and just filled in the blank with Harris' name later.  The headline for this HHS pick is not her qualifications, but her gender identity.  And he has said pretty clearly that he will be making race-based policy, which is by definition racist. 

That said, I'm going to evaluate his performance and see how it goes.  I hope he proves me wrong about what a disaster I expect him to be. 

[Montague]

Nope, the key point here is that they “had” the virus.  And... that they were discharged and stable.  Read up on COVID.  once you have had and are not experiencing symptoms for a period of time (our policy at work is 14 days after you test positive, which I have read is more then needed) you aren’t  contagious.  I believe the CDC says 10 days after the onset of symptoms. 

Combine that with no evidence/ data showing a spike above the normal deaths in nursing homes in other states and the whole assertion falls flat.

From a May 13, 2020 article:

“Despite issuing such a directive, Levine removed his own mother from a personal care home during the pandemic. Nearly 70 percent of the state’s coronavirus fatalities, 2,611 of 3,806, have stemmed from such facilities, the state’s health department data shows.”

credit: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/13/pennsylvania-health-secretary-moved-mother-out-of-nursing-home-during-pandemic/


You don’t consider that disproportionate statistic at all significant?

Also, “stable” does not always mean “negative.” It simply means you’re well enough to not require hospital care. The key point here is that - especially earlier on in the outbreak, when hospitals were trying to reserve as much space and as many resources as they could for projected new cases of critically ill covid patients - not all patients were held until they were clinically deemed virus-free. Many were discharged once direct hospital monitoring and care were no longer needed. I know this because I work in one, and saw it first hand.

And - I don't know this particular data - but, even if other states saw the same percentage of their virus fatalities occur in nursing homes, does that in any way dismiss the flawed logic in ordering all of those people taken there?

[Humble Narcissist]

100 years we knew very little about the human psyche.  So much so that we perform unneeded lobotomies, committed sane people to asylums, had little to no understanding of human development or psychology. 

In addition, less than 100 years ago we have committed multiple genocide for people who were of a different culture, there were linch mobs, and people were actually thrown in jail for being gay.

We were fucking archaic.

Maybe you should join 2021?    We still have a long way to go, but fear based ignorant biases are becoming less and less.

Under your logic, a person who is a transgender lacks the mental sanity to be a doctor or some other professional, yet there are many many functional accomplished transgenders today.  As opposed to the straight guy who is a alcoholic and abuses his children.  But hey, at least he doesn't wear a dress right?   

Our society today is sick.  We were much better off 100 years ago, 50 years ago and 10 years ago.

[Montague]

Correct.  Horrible decision.  And if these "recovered" patients were not a threat she wouldn't have quietly moved her mother out of a care home.  Scandalous. 

But what President Biden does is pick people based on their demographic, not their qualifications.  He decided to select a black woman for VP and just filled in the blank with Harris' name later.  The headline for this HHS pick is not her qualifications, but her gender identity.  And he has said pretty clearly that he will be making race-based policy, which is by definition racist. 

That said, I'm going to evaluate his performance and see how it goes.  I hope he proves me wrong about what a disaster I expect him to be.

I agree with you, Beach. After staunch criticism of the move, Levine came forward with the claim it was his 95 year-old mother’s idea to leave the facility.

Maybe it was. Maybe even the mother recognized the Health Department’s “guideline” was a bad idea. LOL

I also agree that there seems to be a pattern of Biden appointing people based on things other than their qualifications, but that is hard if not impossible to “prove.” Detractors will insist it; supporters will emphatically deny it.

In any event, I am disgusted with how recent events transpired, but I wish no harm or ill will of any kind to any member of this new administration.
Naturally, there will be things they do with which I disagree, and by which I am flat out annoyed, but I hope they overall do good things for the country - partisan biases aside.

Or, at minimum: just don’t fuck it up too bad.
Good luck to all!