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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #100 on: January 25, 2021, 04:44:35 AM »
Mcgregor actually looked twinkish compared to poirier, especially in the back.

It looked like a less talented year round athlete going up against a more talented part-timer.

That whole drunken, coke sniffing paddy act he was putting on for a good part of his prime was moronic.

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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #101 on: January 25, 2021, 04:47:20 AM »
Mcgregor actually looked twinkish compared to poirier, especially in the back.

It looked like a less talented year round athlete going up against a more talented part-timer.

That whole drunken, coke sniffing paddy act he was putting on for a good part of his prime was moronic.

It wasn't an act.  He is a moron.

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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #102 on: January 25, 2021, 07:40:38 AM »
It wasn't an act.  He is a moron.

Yeah.

Talk about wasting your prime years.

Like someone else mentioned he has two more fights left to show he can stay in the game and has to win both. Highly doubt he’s going to trend upwards when he’s been on a downward slope for so long now. The drinking and drugs aside he’s got massive personal issues and legal issues that require his attention and can’t just be handed off to a lawyer.

Doesn’t he have criminal cases in the US and abroad?

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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #103 on: January 25, 2021, 09:43:26 AM »
I feel the biggest contributor to Connor's lack of success is this:

Hard to truly get into a competitive fighting mode when you know the outcome of the fight will have little impact on your life or finances.

Connor is done and I don't blame him. He has generational wealth, no need to get punched in the face for money.


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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #104 on: January 25, 2021, 10:25:00 AM »
I still think Conor can make a HUGE comeback.

Yes, he got knocked out or possibly gave up while being on the receiving end of a shower of strikes, but I don't think he's totally gone the way of Ronda Rousey. Conor has great standup. He's amazing with speed, timing and distance. Those types of gifts go a long way when it comes to the fight game. I think his ground game is very average, nowhere near "very" good, but that was never his forte. He has a good way of reinventing and adding to his arsenal of weapons. Something which many fighters aren't capable of doing.

I can respect the comments suggesting that fighting will not change his financial circumstances much (especially in the UFC - where he probably still cleans $5-10million per fight). That said, money doesn't last forever and while his various side businesses (Proper 12 etc.) likely gross him a pretty penny, it's hard for a guy that was once dirt poor, and who has now grown to be a world superstar, to go back to anything near what he once had to face in the form of adversity. Even if he never ends up poor, it's not out of the realm of possibility as we see time and time again with many professional athletes. When you spend as if you own a printing press at home, it does dwindle and sometimes disappears all together.

Besides, Conor is genuinely entertaining. He's a character, much like a well-polished forum troll that knows how to drop fire by way of incredibly hilarious commentary, Conor knows how to deliver when & where it counts. Separate from that, he is the BIGGEST star in all MMA. The UFC needs rock stars, it's how the company gathers viewers (pay per view buyers and ESPN+ subscribers). Take him out of the picture and while you can slowly create or buy more stars (Chandler etc), it doesn't do the brand well. I see the UFC as a brand that needs these types of characters BADLY. They literally keep the lights on.

Israel Adesanya, Jon Jones, Khabib, McGregor, Artem Lobov etc, these are the types of names that keep this business afloat. Moreso now than ever, when the UFC expects people to become subscribers to ESPN+ (pay a monthly fee for that alone) and then still pay additional fees per each pay per view event. That's bullshit.

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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #105 on: January 25, 2021, 11:04:22 AM »
I still think Conor can make a HUGE comeback.

Yes, he got knocked out or possibly gave up while being on the receiving end of a shower of strikes, but I don't think he's totally gone the way of Ronda Rousey. Conor has great standup. He's amazing with speed, timing and distance. Those types of gifts go a long way when it comes to the fight game. I think his ground game is very average, nowhere near "very" good, but that was never his forte. He has a good way of reinventing and adding to his arsenal of weapons. Something which many fighters aren't capable of doing.

I can respect the comments suggesting that fighting will not change his financial circumstances much (especially in the UFC - where he probably still cleans $5-10million per fight). That said, money doesn't last forever and while his various side businesses (Proper 12 etc.) likely gross him a pretty penny, it's hard for a guy that was once dirt poor, and who has now grown to be a world superstar, to go back to anything near what he once had to face in the form of adversity. Even if he never ends up poor, it's not out of the realm of possibility as we see time and time again with many professional athletes. When you spend as if you own a printing press at home, it does dwindle and sometimes disappears all together.

Besides, Conor is genuinely entertaining. He's a character, much like a well-polished forum troll that knows how to drop fire by way of incredibly hilarious commentary, Conor knows how to deliver when & where it counts. Separate from that, he is the BIGGEST star in all MMA. The UFC needs rock stars, it's how the company gathers viewers (pay per view buyers and ESPN+ subscribers). Take him out of the picture and while you can slowly create or buy more stars (Chandler etc), it doesn't do the brand well. I see the UFC as a brand that needs these types of characters BADLY. They literally keep the lights on.

Israel Adesanya, Jon Jones, Khabib, McGregor, Artem Lobov etc, these are the types of names that keep this business afloat. Moreso now than ever, when the UFC expects people to become subscribers to ESPN+ (pay a monthly fee for that alone) and then still pay additional fees per each pay per view event. That's bullshit.

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I agree with a lot of this, but if Connor continues with his new Dad persona all while losing fights, his draw will be severely diminished.

I like Connor's new Dad persona, but it's not what made him so famous.

Let's hope this last fight was truly ring rust.

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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #106 on: January 25, 2021, 11:48:56 AM »
Yeah.

Talk about wasting your prime years.

Like someone else mentioned he has two more fights left to show he can stay in the game and has to win both. Highly doubt he’s going to trend upwards when he’s been on a downward slope for so long now. The drinking and drugs aside he’s got massive personal issues and legal issues that require his attention and can’t just be handed off to a lawyer.

Doesn’t he have criminal cases in the US and abroad?

He already made more money than the majority of UFC fighters in their prime years. (Even more than some made during their whole career)

Conor only fights for money now, not legacy
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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #107 on: January 25, 2021, 11:51:39 AM »
I agree with a lot of this, but if Connor continues with his new Dad persona all while losing fights, his draw will be severely diminished.

I agree. He needs to go back to being the asshole he once was, only humble after victory or defeat.

This nice guy, heal the world bullshit won't end well for him.

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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #108 on: January 25, 2021, 12:38:29 PM »
I agree. He needs to go back to being the asshole he once was, only humble after victory or defeat.

This nice guy, heal the world bullshit won't end well for him.

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He'll def lose a part of his fan-base if he keeps on being humble Dad-Conor
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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #109 on: January 25, 2021, 02:41:55 PM »
I still think Conor can make a HUGE comeback.

Yes, he got knocked out or possibly gave up while being on the receiving end of a shower of strikes, but I don't think he's totally gone the way of Ronda Rousey. Conor has great standup. He's amazing with speed, timing and distance. Those types of gifts go a long way when it comes to the fight game. I think his ground game is very average, nowhere near "very" good, but that was never his forte. He has a good way of reinventing and adding to his arsenal of weapons. Something which many fighters aren't capable of doing.

I can respect the comments suggesting that fighting will not change his financial circumstances much (especially in the UFC - where he probably still cleans $5-10million per fight). That said, money doesn't last forever and while his various side businesses (Proper 12 etc.) likely gross him a pretty penny, it's hard for a guy that was once dirt poor, and who has now grown to be a world superstar, to go back to anything near what he once had to face in the form of adversity. Even if he never ends up poor, it's not out of the realm of possibility as we see time and time again with many professional athletes. When you spend as if you own a printing press at home, it does dwindle and sometimes disappears all together.

Besides, Conor is genuinely entertaining. He's a character, much like a well-polished forum troll that knows how to drop fire by way of incredibly hilarious commentary, Conor knows how to deliver when & where it counts. Separate from that, he is the BIGGEST star in all MMA. The UFC needs rock stars, it's how the company gathers viewers (pay per view buyers and ESPN+ subscribers). Take him out of the picture and while you can slowly create or buy more stars (Chandler etc), it doesn't do the brand well. I see the UFC as a brand that needs these types of characters BADLY. They literally keep the lights on.

Israel Adesanya, Jon Jones, Khabib, McGregor, Artem Lobov etc, these are the types of names that keep this business afloat. Moreso now than ever, when the UFC expects people to become subscribers to ESPN+ (pay a monthly fee for that alone) and then still pay additional fees per each pay per view event. That's bullshit.

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Conor has a lot of self brought on Crap going on in his life
He’s in with a dangerous crowd to protect him from another group who were after Him.
Plus his recreational lifestyle isn’t helping him.
Also police involvement going on.

I don’t find Conor entertaining at all & See him as a loud mouth Bully & Not What the MMA world
Really needs as a Poster Boy. He’s a seriously Flawed Character > Punching a older man for not wanting
A glass of Whiskey 🙄 FFS.

Still Opinions Vary. 👍🏻

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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #110 on: January 25, 2021, 02:49:17 PM »
I feel the biggest contributor to Connor's lack of success is this:

Hard to truly get into a competitive fighting mode when you know the outcome of the fight will have little impact on your life or finances.

Connor is done and I don't blame him. He has generational wealth, no need to get punched in the face for money.

I agree.  But, I've seen countless athletes lose generational wealth too.  And his side gigs like proper 12 will be unlikely to stay successful if he's out of the public sphere.  I think he might try another 1 or 2 more fights, or perhaps transition to WWE.

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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #111 on: January 25, 2021, 02:58:25 PM »
I agree with a lot of this, but if Connor continues with his new Dad persona all while losing fights, his draw will be severely diminished.

I like Connor's new Dad persona, but it's not what made him so famous.

Let's hope this last fight was truly ring rust.

I agree with your post largely agreeing with OneRepMax's post.

I feel that the UFC needs Conor, but I think he's a #2-4 ranked lightweight. That's fine - excellent even - but when your brand is "untouchable", it just doesn't work.

You can't go 0-2. I guess McGregor was 0-2 if you consider the Mayweather boxing match, but the main thing with that match was that Conor exceeded expectations.

Hence it was good for his brand.

The Khabib loss was overshadowed by Khabib's behaviour after his win - it actually overshadowed Conor's loss.

Cowboy Cerrone was given to Conor to beat, because average fans thought of it was some heavier weight class win [which it was], without considering that Cowboy had many miles, as a seasoned veteran who fought to long.

Conor CAN avenge this loss to Poirier...but he would need a win. And if he beats anyone but the #3 contender, he's not going to be thought of as potentially the best.

UFC fans may not get the fact that untouchable champions is a boxing phenomenon. Very, very few UFC/MMA fans go on streaks of 10-0 or better. That's a boxing thing.

The UFC needs to recognize this, and have a couple of backup stars to promote if their #1 star falters.

As you said, Conor had a certain persons. You can't take that. It's almost a cult of personality with Conor.

PS - is a "paddy" an ethnic slur for an Irish person?

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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #112 on: January 25, 2021, 03:03:11 PM »
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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #113 on: January 25, 2021, 03:06:00 PM »
I agree with your post largely agreeing with OneRepMax's post.

I feel that the UFC needs Conor, but I think he's a #2-4 ranked lightweight. That's fine - excellent even - but when your brand is "untouchable", it just doesn't work.

You can't go 0-2. I guess McGregor was 0-2 if you consider the Mayweather boxing match, but the main thing with that match was that Conor exceeded expectations.

Hence it was good for his brand.

The Khabib loss was overshadowed by Khabib's behaviour after his win - it actually overshadowed Conor's loss.

Cowboy Cerrone was given to Conor to beat, because average fans thought of it was some heavier weight class win [which it was], without considering that Cowboy had many miles, as a seasoned veteran who fought to long.

Conor CAN avenge this loss to Poirier...but he would need a win. And if he beats anyone but the #3 contender, he's not going to be thought of as potentially the best.

UFC fans may not get the fact that untouchable champions is a boxing phenomenon. Very, very few UFC/MMA fans go on streaks of 10-0 or better. That's a boxing thing.

The UFC needs to recognize this, and have a couple of backup stars to promote if their #1 star falters.

As you said, Conor had a certain persons. You can't take that. It's almost a cult of personality with Conor.

PS - is a "paddy" an ethnic slur for an Irish person?

McGregor and the UFC promotion had built up an aura of invincibility as his ring persona.

That only works if you are winning in a convincing fashion.

Once that aura is gone (Buster Douglas vs. Mike Tyson) a fighter never recovers.

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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #114 on: January 25, 2021, 03:09:51 PM »
Dude is a straight up asshole......punching an old man in the back of his head in a bar for basically no reason.

He needed an asswhipping.

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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #115 on: January 25, 2021, 03:52:55 PM »
McGregor and the UFC promotion had built up an aura of invincibility as his ring persona.

That only works if you are winning in a convincing fashion.

Once that aura is gone (Buster Douglas vs. Mike Tyson) a fighter never recovers.

Exactly - I think that's the issue at hand.

Even GSP's decision wins were fine, because he won every round, and controlled the fights he was in.

Losing 2 of 2 of his only lightweight fights in the past four years...I just don't see how the UFC can keep milking McGregor's brand unless he beats a high ranking lightweight this year - ideally soon.

I feel like the UFC needs McGregor's star power. There comes a point where individual athletes are bigger than the league, and McGregor is such a star, IMO.

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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #116 on: January 25, 2021, 04:01:45 PM »
Exactly - I think that's the issue at hand.

Even GSP's decision wins were fine, because he won every round, and controlled the fights he was in.

Losing 2 of 2 of his only lightweight fights in the past four years...I just don't see how the UFC can keep milking McGregor's brand unless he beats a high ranking lightweight this year - ideally soon.

I feel like the UFC needs McGregor's star power. There comes a point where individual athletes are bigger than the league, and McGregor is such a star, IMO.

Poirer v Oliviera should be for the UFC title next.
Gaethje v Chandler on the undercard for the next number 1 contender.

If Conor can be built back, I'd go in this order:  Diaz 3, Ferguson and if successful, Poirer 3.  If he can't beat Diaz, hang it up for good.  If he runs the table on those 3, he's either the champ again (if Dustin has the title when they meet) or he has earned the right to fight Chandler, Gaethje or Oliviera depending on who has the belt.

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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #117 on: February 03, 2021, 05:36:46 PM »

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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #118 on: February 03, 2021, 06:14:02 PM »
I like watching him lose.

Never really liked him anyway.

Good fighter, but the attitude ruins it. Him and the Diaz brothers can jump off the nearest cliff.

I hope he get's KO'ed like a limp cooked noodle next fight. ;D

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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #119 on: February 03, 2021, 07:27:17 PM »
I like watching him lose.

Never really liked him anyway.

Good fighter, but the attitude ruins it. Him and the Diaz brothers can jump off the nearest cliff.

I hope he get's KO'ed like a limp cooked noodle next fight. ;D

Yes, i think he is twistet in real life and i wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in prison.

As a fighter he is exciting, no dry humping + some of the fastest UFC finishes.
I think he will bounce back. He destroyed Dustin Prior in his first fight.

This one was not bad
https://mmacore.tv/videos/Chad_Mendes_vs_Conor_McGregor_Full_Fight_UFC_189_Round_1/10105764

I hope he get's KO'ed like a limp cooked noodle next fight. ;D

Let's see, he will fight again 100%  ;)

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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #120 on: February 03, 2021, 07:35:09 PM »
What interesting about conor was is that he fought many realy good guys in a short time period.
And he destroyed them like Dustin Poirier in his first fight. + His trash-talk.


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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #121 on: February 04, 2021, 05:07:50 AM »
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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #122 on: February 04, 2021, 10:08:57 AM »
McGregor is entertaining.  He is done though.  Like all fighters is time has passed. It was fun though.

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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #123 on: February 04, 2021, 10:25:59 AM »
There was an old man in a bar in Ireland someplace laughing his ass off watching this fight.

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Re: McGregor vs. Poirier II.
« Reply #124 on: February 04, 2021, 10:27:54 AM »
McGregor is entertaining.  He is done though.  Like all fighters is time has passed. It was fun though.

I agree with this. Although he may fight again, the insane hunger that he once had is gone. He was the ruthless talker and fighter, inspired by the desire to be where he is today. He achieved and surpassed what he set out to do.

I see zero reason for him to fight. He should try coaching or something.