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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2021, 09:42:56 AM »
It doesn't seem to have bothered Haney, Nubret, or Oliva.

But, as the saying goes, one man's poison is another man's meat.
They're great for young guys, just adapt as you get older.

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2021, 10:48:15 AM »
They're great for young guys, just adapt as you get older.

One way to adapt is not getting buck wild with the poundages. What I've found helps me out is doing flat-bench press last in my chest routine. Once I'm done with inclines and dips, I don't need a lot of weight on the flats. So, doing "Leroys" works well for me, especially when it comes to squeezing the pecs.


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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2021, 10:50:17 AM »
Find them both safer and more effective done with a slow negative and brief pause on chest

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2021, 10:58:15 AM »

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2021, 11:13:57 AM »
the pecs are a downward pushing muscle, the are designed to help you climb over things by pressing downwards, just flex your pecs and and then look were your hands are, they are clasped in front of you by your waist

Decline bench is far superior for pec development than flat, and incline does fuck all for pecs, its all delts

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2021, 01:56:19 PM »
Hmmmm...should I listen to Franco Columbu or this guy. That's a tough decision....ROTFLMFAO


Thanks for sharing Chief

When have you been talking to Franco? Hes been dead for a while.

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2021, 02:03:26 PM »
I own virtually everything Franco wrote. Big proponent of the Three Powerlifts. Especially the Flat Bench Press.

Does that clear things up for you EInstein?
It’s Dave not EInstein.

Do you have anything Franco wrote in the last decade of his life? 

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2021, 02:08:09 PM »
the pecs are a downward pushing muscle, the are designed to help you climb over things by pressing downwards, just flex your pecs and and then look were your hands are, they are clasped in front of you by your waist

Decline bench is far superior for pec development than flat, and incline does fuck all for pecs, its all delts

Right on the money

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2021, 02:13:23 PM »
Actually we'll just refer to you as "assclown".
Ouch. Is that worse than EInstein or better?

I know you’re a big dude with moderate strength levels so I’m trying not to frustrate you any further, I’m just curious to how many books Franco has written.

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2021, 02:51:24 PM »
Actually, no.

It's not.

What he said is exact.I have benched 500lbs and inclined 405,my chest was biggest when doing dips like crazy.

Flex your chest and you hands automatically go down to waist as he says.

Flat bench all you want but it’s a shoulder destroyer.my shoulders and tris were what benched the weight I did.

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2021, 04:03:51 PM »
I own virtually everything Franco wrote. Big proponent of the Three Powerlifts. Especially the Flat Bench Press.

Does that clear things up for you EInstein?

Do you own a vintage Franco thong from the 70’s?

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2021, 04:09:47 PM »
Genetics.

Here are the following ways to build a great chest:

Incline presses
Decline presses
Dips
Flat presses
Flat presses arms wide elbows out
Incline presses at exactly a 22.45 degree angle
Iso chest press
DB flys
Pec dec
Cable crossovers
Close grip bench
Gironda dips

 ::) ::) ::)

It's genetics. Just do what feels comfortable and gets a good feel to that area.

There is a reason why nobody has ever had a chest built just like Franco's. And it's not a lack of incline presses.

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2021, 04:15:34 PM »
The Flat Bench Press (free weight) gets alot of flack these days, but it's how Arnold, Franco, Bertil, Ronnie, etc. built the best pecs on the planet AND got that thickness. You can always spot the guys who don't do Flat Benches with barbells: they have no chest.

I have an ok chest now [will post updated photos once gyms open, so I can get a proper pump], but it took me 15 years of training before I had a chest that got to the standard I wanted.

Basically, I think genetics play a big role in everything. Look at Arnold's chest - you can see he has amazing chest genetics, and I think he could have had a big chest doing push-ups.

I'd be willing to bet Arnold could have had an above average chest with 25-50% of the work he put in.

I'm not refuting the importance of flat bench - I'm just saying genetics seem to trump everything.

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2021, 04:18:22 PM »
Genetics.

Here are the following ways to build a great chest:

Incline presses
Decline presses
Dips
Flat presses
Flat presses arms wide elbows out
Incline presses at exactly a 22.45 degree angle
Iso chest press
DB flys
Pec dec
Cable crossovers
Close grip bench
Gironda dips

 ::) ::) ::)

It's genetics. Just do what feels comfortable and gets a good feel to that area.

There is a reason why nobody has ever had a chest built just like Franco's. And it's not a lack of incline presses.

I had only read the first page, and missed this. Lol, exactly.

We can all do ok with bringing up our weak points - but they will always be weak points.

I remember reading articles about how to develop the "lower" biceps, even though they don't exist anatomically.  ::)

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2021, 05:19:00 PM »
Genetics.

Here are the following ways to build a great chest:

Incline presses
Decline presses
Dips
Flat presses
Flat presses arms wide elbows out
Incline presses at exactly a 22.45 degree angle
Iso chest press
DB flys
Pec dec
Cable crossovers
Close grip bench
Gironda dips

 ::) ::) ::)

It's genetics. Just do what feels comfortable and gets a good feel to that area.

There is a reason why nobody has ever had a chest built just like Franco's. And it's not a lack of incline presses.

That is it , nothing more, nothing less. Can one make improvements over the years? Most def but not like a Ronnie, Dorian, etc if your  genetics for big back or chest isn’t in your cards

Dexter and johnnie Jackson can do 100 of sets for calves but they’ll always have horrible calves compared to flex Lewis or Lee priest

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2021, 05:30:53 PM »
Hmmmm...should I listen to Franco Columbu or this guy. That's a tough decision....ROTFLMFAO


Thanks for sharing Chief

Why dont you just post a picture of that massive chest of yours. Chief....

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2021, 06:07:24 PM »
What he said is exact.I have benched 500lbs and inclined 405,my chest was biggest when doing dips like crazy.

Flex your chest and you hands automatically go down to waist as he says.

Flat bench all you want but it’s a shoulder destroyer.my shoulders and tris were what benched the weight I did.

That might be the result of doing 500 flat/405 incline for one rep, with powerlifter-style grip on the bar vs. doing them Serge Nubret/Leroy Colbert-style. You said yourself you did a lot of dips, likely not for one-rep maxes.

For me, doing it that way and at the end of my chest training mitigates the need for superheavy poundages. I fed my ego earlier (plate-wise) on the inclines.


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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #42 on: February 01, 2021, 06:48:50 PM »
That might be the result of doing 500 flat/405 incline for one rep, with powerlifter-style grip on the bar vs. doing them Serge Nubret/Leroy Colbert-style. You said yourself you did a lot of dips, likely not for one-rep maxes.

For me, doing it that way and at the end of my chest training mitigates the need for superheavy poundages. I fed my ego earlier (plate-wise) on the inclines.

True

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #43 on: February 01, 2021, 07:24:57 PM »
True

If you can hit 405, Serge Nubret/Leroy Colbert-style (especially for reps), your pecs may put those of Arnold to shame.  ;D

BTW, do you know how to get an embedded YouTube video to skip to a certain spot? At 2:01 on the last video I posted, Nubret is doing wide-grip benches. I tried that "share" trick, typing up the time, but it didn't work.

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2021, 02:37:46 PM »
I have an ok chest now [will post updated photos once gyms open, so I can get a proper pump], but it took me 15 years of training before I had a chest that got to the standard I wanted.

Basically, I think genetics play a big role in everything. Look at Arnold's chest - you can see he has amazing chest genetics, and I think he could have had a big chest doing push-ups.

I'd be willing to bet Arnold could have had an above average chest with 25-50% of the work he put in.

I'm not refuting the importance of flat bench - I'm just saying genetics seem to trump everything.

Your gyms are still closed? Ours (in Florida) got reopened in June of last year but with restrictions. Kids' club is still locked down. They JUST reopened pools and saunas last week.

At first, you had to make a reservation on line and could only stay for an hour. The 24-Hour Fitness app had to have your picture, so you could check into the club without the fingerprint thing.

They closed for 30 minutes to clean. Well, at the particular club where I'd train, they'd only close for 10 minutes. Everyone had to wait outside until they were done. For example, if you're reserved to train at 5pm, the club closed at 6pm for cleaning with the next opening at 6:30.

But, if you waited outside and they got done early (i.e. 6:10 or 6:15), you could go back inside to train until the 6:30 people showed up; then you had to leave. If some showed up but there was space still available, the 5pm folks could go back inside.

Two months later, they dropped the reservation thing. It's first come, first serve, until the gym is at capacity. But, hours are still reduced, as the club closes at 9:00pm and reopens at 5:00am.

As for your pecs, perhaps going wide-grip will make a difference. I'd recommend the Smith Machine, as you can get your hands as wide as you need, without worrying about pinching them on the uprights. But, I train alone. If you have a partner, doing the barbell will work better.

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2021, 05:34:55 PM »
When have you been talking to Franco? Hes been dead for a while.

Since when?

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2021, 05:36:14 PM »
Ouch. Is that worse than EInstein or better?

I know you’re a big dude with moderate strength levels so I’m trying not to frustrate you any further, I’m just curious to how many books Franco has written.

In Italian or English?

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2021, 05:53:53 PM »
Since when?

At least a week.

In Italian or English?

Language doesn’t matter, I’m interested number of written books. I’m sure many of his best sellers have been translated to Spanish as well. 1 book in 3 languages is one book (for my accounting purposes).

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2021, 11:02:53 AM »
Hmmmm...should I listen to Franco Columbu or this guy. That's a tough decision....ROTFLMFAO


Thanks for sharing Chief

I think Franco did his benches with a wide grip, as well.

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Re: Flat Bench Press
« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2021, 12:25:28 PM »
the pecs are a downward pushing muscle, the are designed to help you climb over things by pressing downwards, just flex your pecs and and then look were your hands are, they are clasped in front of you by your waist

Decline bench is far superior for pec development than flat, and incline does fuck all for pecs, its all delts

Especially declines to the throat/neck area.

Poundages will suffer but your pecs will scream if training intense with short rest period.

Just my 2 cents.