What if this 1974 Arnold competed in Mr. Olympia in 2021?

[ArnoldPlatz]

 

***  i remastered it in a different way from this video i uploaded before...and Robert said Arnold weighed 254 pounds at this time. What would happen if  this 1974 Arnold competed in Mr. Olympia in 2021?  will he be in the top 10 in the competition?    ***

[ArnoldPlatz]

***  i remastered it in a different way from this video i uploaded before...and Robert said Arnold weighed 254 pounds at this time. What would happen if  this 1974 Arnold competed in Mr. Olympia in 2021?  will he be in the top 10 in the competition?    ***

over 250lbs here too

[MCWAY]

The short answer is no. He'd have to get mega-ripped which would probably put him at 210 lbs.

Back in the day, even before Schwarzenegger, bodybuilders would actually get marked down for being too ripped.

[Flexacon]

He'd need to be competing in Classic.

[affeman]

Lil' Arnold couldn't hold a candle to today's Titans

[Taffin]

He'd need to be competing in Classic.

Yeah, beat me to it

[Taffin]

Lil' Arnold couldn't hold a candle to today's Titans

I'm not a hater, but Phil looks f**king terrible there 

[Royalty]

I'm not a hater, but Phil looks f**king terrible there 

None of them would’ve been in the top 6 at the 1999 Mr Olympia

[Matt]

 

He'd need to be competing in Classic.

Right, lol.

Yeah, Arnold Schwarzenegger would stand no chance my today's standards. I would say he looks better, but that wasn't the question.

[ThisisOverload]

The short answer is no. He'd have to get mega-ripped which would probably put him at 210 lbs.

Back in the day, even before Schwarzenegger, bodybuilders would actually get marked down for being too ripped.

Truth.

Amazing how different it is today.

But if Arnold took some GH and Slin, he'd probably look insane.

[TheShape.]

Fitness Internet personalities would argue his glutes aren’t shredded enough. 

[Humble Narcissist]

He wouldn't even win an amateur title.  Maybe a state title.

[affeman]

None of them would’ve been in the top 6 at the 1999 Mr Olympia

LOL Ramy would've won easily

[MCWAY]

Truth.

Amazing how different it is today.

But if Arnold took some GH and Slin, he'd probably look insane.

Since Lou Ferrigno (6'5") had to be 316 lbs to make top-10 at the Olympia in the 90s, Arnold Schwarzenegger would probably have to be around 300 lbs at 6'2" (similar to Gunter Schlierkamp in his heyday).

[wes]

Arnies waist would be far too small to earn him a top 5 placing.

[Humble Narcissist]

Arnold is too smart to be a pro bodybuilder today.  When he became a bodybuilder he had perfect genetics for the sport and it was a much more healthy lifestyle back then.  Bodybuilders usually grew into shows as opposed to gaining 100 lbs in the offseason.  Today a young Arnold would go into some other sport with more recognition and money which about includes every sport.

[MCWAY]

Arnold is too smart to be a pro bodybuilder today.  When he became a bodybuilder he had perfect genetics for the sport and it was a much more healthy lifestyle back then.  Bodybuilders usually grew into shows as opposed to gaining 100 lbs in the offseason.  Today a young Arnold would go into some other sport with more recognition and money which about includes every sport.

Bodybuilding was even more of an niche "sport" then than it is today. Pro status was basically the same as amateur status, unless you won a show. Even with Weider paying him, Schwarzenegger drove in a used Volkswagen and had to work construction jobs with Franco Columbu to make ends meet.

For his time, Schwarzenegger pushed the envelope as far as using anabolics was concerned. Basically, the "old timers" from the 40s and 50s saw him and his contemporaries as drug abusers.

[Humble Narcissist]

Bodybuilding was even more of an niche "sport" then than it is today. Pro status was basically the same as amateur status, unless you won a show. Even with Weider paying him, Schwarzenegger drove in a used Volkswagen and had to work construction jobs with Franco Columbu to make ends meet.

For his time, Schwarzenegger pushed the envelope as far as using anabolics was concerned. Basically, the "old timers" from the 40s and 50s saw him and his contemporaries as drug abusers.

Yes, but bodybuilding was just a vehicle to Hollywood for Arnold.  Bodybuilders were considered a little weird even then but Steve Reeves had Hollywood success and so did some other bodybuilders.  There is no one in bodybuilding today that will ever be a movie star.

[MCWAY]

Yes, but bodybuilding was just a vehicle to Hollywood for Arnold.  Bodybuilders were considered a little weird even then but Steve Reeves had Hollywood success and so did some other bodybuilders.  There is no one in bodybuilding today that will ever be a movie star.

I disagree. Bodybuilding was his passion. He went to Hollywood, once he conquered bodybuilding. He won the NABBA Universe and Olympia multiple times.

Most bodybuilders don't want to be movie stars. People laughed at Arnold's ambition. They never thought he be a star; or, at best, he'd be limited to the "sword and sandal" flicks like his hero, former Mr. Universe, Reg Park. As more actors are hitting the weights, to at least appear to look like superheroes and ancient soldiers, bodybuilders aren't in demand. And, thanks to CGI, there are no need for Ferrignos to play roles like the Hulk.

Ironically enough, it was the movie about his being a bodybuilder, Pumping Iron, that helped Arnold make that jump. I recall that George Butler made him compete for the Olympia one last time, before letting the Oak be part of the film.

[Bevo]

I'm not a hater, but Phil looks f**king terrible there 

They all look fucking terrible there

[Bevo]

LOL Ramy would've won easily

Absolute shit ramy

[johnny1]

No chance in hell the reality is he’d place ether dead last of there abouts most of us here would think he had a better look too his physique than all this lot nowadays (myself included) had that presence the presentation the posing and all that all these carbon cloned monsters DONT have these days

Just ask $20 Lou and while he wasn’t no prime Arnold the physique he brought in 1992 was great could arguably have matched or beaten Arnold’s best in 1974 and if memory serves me correct Lou placed 12 or 13th in his best shape ever @ approx 280 odd pounds or whatever he was he was shredded

what I do know is if Lou placed that low in 1992 looking that good was Arnold that much better he’d even make the top 6 in 1992....let alone 2021 no chance in hell

[Marvin Martian]

I'm not a hater, but Phil looks f**king terrible there 

I agree with you - but the problem is that EVERY picture is a snapshot, a millisecond, as the BB is hitting his pose. That’s why it makes NO SENSE AT ALL to compare mandatory poses if they are all lined up. Some hit the pose fast and fade - some slower and gut is all blown out as they transition.

NOT YOU TAFFIN - (although I have always wanted to ask you wtf a TAFFIN is - and I assume you think PB was the best JB)
Anyway - not talking specifically to you. More like the knuckleheads like Shizz who have never even trained seriously and OBVIOUSLY have zero nutritional knowledge, muchless ever been to a pre-judging. Guys love to say XXX fckn blows ZZZ away in that shot” or “KKK is killing BLM in that pose”

From two shows I won - EVERY comparison pic I look the worst in the lineup. One show I was so much more shredded than the other guys in any class that it was easy. But my cnt of a girlfriend either had “photographic Tourette, a bunch of mini-strokes while taking pics - OR had eaten every drug she could find” and made me look like a RETARD - yeh I fckn said it DURKAH DURH - RE-TARD!! I am sure it was the latter because my brother and good friends said she fingered herself at the finals and thought it was endearing because she came while I was posing??? That was one twisted sister.

All that said - I can be awed by massive size and I was. I met every champion in the 90’s - partied with a few. Shot shit while Ruhl LITERALLY chained smoked an entire pack - we laughed our asses off and I tried to smoke one of his cigs - fckn thing had no filter and felt like I inhaled lit butane. Matarazzo was cool as hell too. He got all X’d out and I swear some chick massaged his calves for 6 hours and was sitting in a legit puddle. Shit load more stories.

BUT - I grew up wanting to play pro ball and my idea of BB was the superhero’s in comics. Lean waist - enormous but balanced and aesthetic. 90’s monsters like Dillett had “that” look. Levrone - and I saw Ronnie guest pose shortly before the won in 98 - INSANE.
Now - it’s just as much mass as possible wherever you can fit it in. That’s not right. Those who say BB is about as much muscle as possible - are just wrong.
You don’t just build a fckn huge house and fit as much as possible on the lot. You’d be the shittiest architect ever.

Gdmn with this long ass post I am like the Canuck retard (sorry Matt you’re a nice guy but ya gotta admit that you’re socially full retard)

Sorry dudes - team had a kickass day and I think I’m trying to wind down.

[MCWAY]

No chance in hell the reality is he’d place ether dead last of there abouts most of us here would think he had a better look too his physique than all this lot nowadays (myself included) had that presence the presentation the posing and all that all these carbon cloned monsters DONT have these days

Just ask $20 Lou and while he wasn’t no prime Arnold the physique he brought in 1992 was great could arguably have matched or beaten Arnold’s best in 1974 and if memory serves me correct Lou placed 12 or 13th in his best shape ever @ approx 280 odd pounds or whatever he was he was shredded

what I do know is if Lou placed that low in 1992 looking that good was Arnold that much better he’d even make the top 6 in 1992....let alone 2021 no chance in hell

I thought his best shape was in 1993, at 316 pounds. He placed 10th. What I don't understand (well, maybe slightly understand) is why he didn't compete in the open Olympia in 1994. This time, he actually qualified by placing top 10. Dorian was off; Wheeler was out; Ferrigno may have been able to wiggle his way to top 6.

Instead, he shrunk under three bills to basically be handed the Masters Olympia, only to have Robby Robinson (at the last minute) enter the show and snatched the title right from his hands.

[MCWAY]

And well they should. What does "bodybuilding" mean? It means BUILDING the BODY. Therefore the biggest man should automatically win.

Imagine a powerlifting meet where a lighter bench press beats a heavier bench press? It would make no sense. So what sense does it make for an emaciated twig to beat a bigger muscled man on a bodybuilding stage?

The powerlifting thing would only make sense if it were truly "POWER" lifting, with POWER being defined as "work divided by time".

But, as sheer poundages goes, you're absolutely right.

It is a BODYBUILDING contest, not an ANOREXIA contest.

As long as the bigger man is sufficiently cut and proportioned, I agree. As Lee Haney would say, "Bawdy-billin' is about muscle; it's about BEEF, you know!!! And that means the guys with the largest muscle. And, of course, we looking at definition, too. You know that separate the men from the boys. A Mr. Olympia should be something grand. Bawdy-billin' should be something grand. And, that's why the biggest and the thickest and the largest IS BAWDY-BILLIN'!!!"

With that said, you can't show up mega-smooth. Ask Arnold; he got beat by Frank Zane because of that.

Case in point:

Should Dorian Yates have beaten Shawn Ray in 1993? Sure.

Should Dorian Yates have beaten Shawn Ray in 1994? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!

(BTW, if any of you Yates fans wonder by Lee Haney beat him in 1991, see 3:29 of the aforementioned video. I believe that's why Yates was so obsessed with his lat training).

That's the problem with natural bodybuilding shows. The bigger guys almost always get beat by smaller and supposedly better proportioned "twigs". Is it my imagination or do natural heavyweights look big and swole at low-double-digit/high-single-digit body fat but look like crackheads at contest time?

Examples: The INBA Natural Mr Olympias: John Hansen, Kiyoshi Moody, Rob Terry. In competition, they looked like concentration camp victims. Offseason/guest-posing, they look HUGE!!