poor shoulder flexibility

[monsterman500]

I started doing this before my Benching & shoulder work.

[monsterman500]

Wow, that's absolutely fascinating, 'monsterman.'

Thank you for the kind works. I just thought i would share my experiences & knowledge with the getbig crew.

[IroNat]

Wow, that's absolutely fascinating, 'monsterman.'

Yes, let us know if it helps.

[monsterman500]

Yes, let us know if it helps.

it does.

[Tapeworm]

You can do some times. Maybe twantee. Ees good! You should try eet.

[monsterman500]

shoulder flexibility is important to prevent injury. Being able to wipe your ass is not flexibility.

[oldtimer1]

Benching and other bodybuilding exercises are terrible for shoulder flexibility. Many Olympic lifters won't bench because of that. That exercise is one of a few really good exercises for flexibility for the shoulder region.  When my shoulder was a complete mess I used about five exercises for shoulder mobility.  My physical therapist who is gumby with his flexibility use to scold me for how inflexible I was in the shoulder region from lifting for 40 plus years. On the other hand he has zero strength but he can contort himself into a pretzel.

[monsterman500]

Benching and other bodybuilding exercises are terrible for shoulder flexibility. Many Olympic lifters won't bench because of that. That exercise is on of a few really good exercises for flexibility for the shoulder region.  When my shoulder was a complete mess I used about five exercises for shoulder mobility.  My physical therapist who is gumby with his flexibility use to scold me for how inflexible I was in the shoulder region from lifting for 40 plus years. On the other hand he has zero strength but he can contort himself into a pretzel.

They find everything bad about bodybuilding. most are themselves fat or skeletons.

[oldtimer1]

They find everything bad about bodybuilding. most are themselves fat or skeletons.

I don't think you can generalize.  People are egotistical about physical culture. People with great flexibility think that's the most important attribute. On the other hand guys think the bench is an indication of how strong they are if they have a big bench but they can't power clean and push press 225lbs.  I call that delusional strength. I have a brother in law that is all about running and he's good at it. Too him anyone that can't run for miles at a decent pace is out of shape. I do understand where he is coming from but the point is we should all take a comprehensive approach to fitness if we are not a specialist competing athlete. Then again this is a bodybuilding site where guys put up their juiced up pictures. For them it's their goal to preserve the temporary drugged up image with photography knowing they don't normally look like that without the assist.

[OlympiaGym]

I don't think you can generalize.  People are egotistical about physical culture. People with great flexibility think that's the most important attribute. On the other hand guys think the bench is an indication of how strong they are if they have a big bench but they can't power clean and push press 225lbs.  I call that delusional strength. I have a brother in law that is all about running and he's good at it. Too him anyone that can't run for miles at a decent pace is out of shape. I do understand where he is coming from but the point is we should all take a comprehensive approach to fitness if we are not a specialist competing athlete. Then again this is a bodybuilding site where guys put up their juiced up pictures. For them it's their goal to preserve the temporary drugged up image with photography knowing they don't normally look like that without the assist.

Why is it temporary? Guys are on juice for 30-40 years. I guess they’ll never see 90 like you but oh well.

[monsterman500]

I don't think you can generalize.  People are egotistical about physical culture. People with great flexibility think that's the most important attribute. On the other hand guys think the bench is an indication of how strong they are if they have a big bench but they can't power clean and push press 225lbs.  I call that delusional strength. I have a brother in law that is all about running and he's good at it. Too him anyone that can't run for miles at a decent pace is out of shape. I do understand where he is coming from but the point is we should all take a comprehensive approach to fitness if we are not a specialist competing athlete. Then again this is a bodybuilding site where guys put up their juiced up pictures. For them it's their goal to preserve the temporary drugged up image with photography knowing they don't normally look like that without the assist.

I had a friend like that. he was a runner, not a top runner but good.  His upper body strength was zero. what is the point to that unless you are a rabbit ? I only cycle now around town on my mountain bike for cardio. enjoy it so i do it, that is more important & it does not half kill me & stop me making progress in my weight training.

[Grape Ape]

I don't think you can generalize.  People are egotistical about physical culture. People with great flexibility think that's the most important attribute. On the other hand guys think the bench is an indication of how strong they are if they have a big bench but they can't power clean and push press 225lbs.  I call that delusional strength. I have a brother in law that is all about running and he's good at it. Too him anyone that can't run for miles at a decent pace is out of shape. I do understand where he is coming from but the point is we should all take a comprehensive approach to fitness if we are not a specialist competing athlete. Then again this is a bodybuilding site where guys put up their juiced up pictures. For them it's their goal to preserve the temporary drugged up image with photography knowing they don't normally look like that without the assist.

I agree with this.

I believe we can all get stronger, but still be able to outrun the zombies if necessary.

For me, I always want to be able to run 5 miles without gassing.  Doesn't have to be at a record pace, just 8-9 min miles.

[oldtimer1]

Why is it temporary? Guys are on juice for 30-40 years. I guess they’ll never see 90 like you but oh well.

Juicers that go completely clean for four to six months often looked like they never did push up in their life. Want examples?  Sure there are examples of guys that cycled for decades but it's like saying you know an 80 year old that smoked his whole life. They are exception. It is a risk to health.

[Kwon]

[oldtimer1]

I agree with this.

I believe we can all get stronger, but still be able to outrun the zombies if necessary.

For me, I always want to be able to run 5 miles without gassing.  Doesn't have to be at a record pace, just 8-9 min miles.

Now that I'm older and really neglected cardio it pains me to think what I was capable of cardio wish in my younger years.  I remember thinking as a sprinter and not a distance runner that a six minute mile was slug slow.  Now I can only wish I could run a single six minute mile. I'm trying to get back into cardio shape in my sixties but it almost feels like I'm running with a 135lbs weight on my back.

You might find this interesting. Maybe not.  I worked with a guy who retired to Florida with his wife. His wife died and he didn't know anyone in Florida. He saw a thing for a running club in his area and thought maybe he could make some friends. In his younger years he ran some charity 5K road races coming in the middle of the pack. Never a serious runner. Long story short he joined the club and soon found in his late 60's his body really responded to the training. In his 70's he was always ranked 1 to 5 as the best age group marathoner in the world. He didn't jog a marathon but he ran it and most of the miles were in the 7 minute something range.  Now in his 80's he's still running but slowing up.  The up side is he's in a new age bracket.

[Dave D]

I don't think you can generalize.  [/b]People are egotistical about physical culture. People with great flexibility think that's the most important attribute. On the other hand guys think the bench is an indication of how strong they are if they have a big bench but they can't power clean and push press 225lbs.  I call that delusional strength. I have a brother in law that is all about running and he's good at it. Too him anyone that can't run for miles at a decent pace is out of shape. I do understand where he is coming from but the point is we should all take a comprehensive approach to fitness if we are not a specialist competing athlete. Then again this is a bodybuilding site where guys put up their juiced up pictures. For them it's their goal to preserve the temporary drugged up image with photography knowing they don't normally look like that without the assist.

I dont think you can generalize then a whole paragraph of generalizations.

Classic!

[IroNat]

Thank goodness Kwon is here to bring sanity to this thread.

[OlympiaGym]

Juicers that go completely clean for four to six months often looked like they never did push up in their life. Want examples?  Sure there are examples of guys that cycled for decades but it's like saying you know an 80 year old that smoked his whole life. They are exception. It is a risk to health.

Phony examples are what you’re all about. “Cycled for decades” ... Who talks like this? You sound like a 135 pound hysterical natty teenager on bodybuilding.com vowing he will never touch the “juice.” Show me the data not the anecdotal BS you peddle on here everyday about the evils of hormones, which is made even worse by the fact that you know nothing about them. The truth is there is very little data because of tools like you who go along with the government’s “war in drugs” that for some reason includes male hormones, although it’s perfectly alright to prescribe nice middle-class teenage girls hormones for birth control, which they stay on for most of their life until they switch over to other hormones when they hit menopause. Estrogen and menopause being something I’m sure you’re personally familiar with.

[residue]

why not just do dead hangs and hanging scap retractions?

[TheGrinch]

DogCrapp invented that 20+ years ago just FYI

[oldgolds]

Phony examples are what you’re all about. “Cycled for decades” ... Who talks like this? You sound like a 135 pound hysterical natty teenager on bodybuilding.com vowing he will never touch the “juice.” Show me the data not the anecdotal BS you peddle on here everyday about the evils of hormones, which is made even worse by the fact that you know nothing about them. The truth is there is very little data because of tools like you who go along with the government’s “war in drugs” that for some reason includes male hormones, although it’s perfectly alright to prescribe nice middle-class teenage girls hormones for birth control, which they stay on for most of their life until they switch over to other hormones when they hit menopause. Estrogen and menopause being something I’m sure you’re personally familiar with.

You are delusional dude....Guys are dropping all the time from steroids, you actually thing they're not harmful?  Besides the fact that it makes guys instant liars/phony's/frauds.  When you see guys stop juicing and turn into skinny geeks you know it's phony.

[oldtimer1]

I dont think you can generalize then a whole paragraph of generalizations.

Classic!

Giving examples of generalizations. Reading comprehension Dave.

[Grape Ape]

Now that I'm older and really neglected cardio it pains me to think what I was capable of cardio wish in my younger years.  I remember thinking as a sprinter and not a distance runner that a six minute mile was slug slow.  Now I can only wish I could run a single six minute mile. I'm trying to get back into cardio shape in my sixties but it almost feels like I'm running with a 135lbs weight on my back.

You might find this interesting. Maybe not.  I worked with a guy who retired to Florida with his wife. His wife died and he didn't know anyone in Florida. He saw a thing for a running club in his area and thought maybe he could make some friends. In his younger years he ran some charity 5K road races coming in the middle of the pack. Never a serious runner. Long story short he joined the club and soon found in his late 60's his body really responded to the training. In his 70's he was always ranked 1 to 5 as the best age group marathoner in the world. He didn't jog a marathon but he ran it and most of the miles were in the 7 minute something range.  Now in his 80's he's still running but slowing up.  The up side is he's in a new age bracket.

That's a cool story, and I totally believe it.

I follow all these 50+ fitness people on twitter.....guys in their 60s are pulling 4-500, putting up great numbers running, etc.   As I'm sure you are aware, you just need to be smart and consistent, and you can perform extremely well as one gets older.

[OlympiaGym]

You are delusional dude....Guys are dropping all the time from steroids, you actually thing they're not harmful? 

Who’s delusional? You read about some high profile abuser, who’s taking a lot more than hormones, who drops dead and you think guys are dropping like flies. TONS of older guys on moderate test, Deca, and even harder stuff on occasion, are doing just fine. A couple of checkups a year, regular bloodwork, and they’re fine. They’re also a lot happier than you.

[Dave D]

Giving examples of generalizations. Reading comprehension Dave.

Fair enough.

You've been here for enough time to know better than to assume that any member has reading comprehension beyond a 3rd grade level.