Dr. Seuss and Curious George racist?

[King Shizzo]

This proves that freedom of speech and expression are basically dead.

But did it actually exist in the first place? Sounds good on paper, but where do my rights end and other's begin?

[Soul Crusher]

This proves that freedom of speech and expression are basically dead.

But did it actually exist in the first place? Sounds good on paper, but where do my rights end and other's begin?

Liberal failures and losers like Strawcunt et al hate free speech. 

[King Shizzo]

Liberal failures and losers like Strawcunt et al hate free speech.

Or the history of the world. You don't pull down statues, burn texts, and silence people, if you claim to support freedom.

But we do not have true freedom, or freedom of speech. That's why people get fired, "canceled", and even killed.

It's a wonderful facade. You really can't say whatever you want or do whatever you want (legally).

My friends, those days are over. Maybe they never existed.

[Al Doggity]

This proves that freedom of speech and expression are basically dead.

But did it actually exist in the first place? Sounds good on paper, but where do my rights end and other's begin?

Why is this incident proof of anything? This type of thing has been going on for all of the modern age.
Companies always try to steer clear of controversy and avoid doing things that jeopardize profits.

For example, in the 90s, Madonna released a controversial video for the song "Like A Prayer." A lot of radio stations banned it, religious groups protested, at one point Mtv would only play it after 9 pm, Pepsi backed out of a sponsorship deal with her. All because of a black jesus and burning crosses imagery. Or one of my favorite movies Spawn- Todd Mcfarlane has talked about how they had to change most of the supporting characters who were black in the comics to white in the film to get funding.

Those are just two examples that are not too modern but not too old. If you go back through history, there's all kinds of comparable shit, like the comic's code authority or the fact that  married couples slept in separate beds in early sitcoms. Why is the fact that this company won't be reprinting this book so uniquely awful that it shook your belief in freedom of speech?

[Humble Narcissist]

Why is this incident proof of anything? This type of thing has been going on for all of the modern age.
Companies always try to steer clear of controversy and avoid doing things that jeopardize profits.

For example, in the 90s, Madonna released a controversial video for the song "Like A Prayer." A lot of radio stations banned it, religious groups protested, at one point Mtv would only play it after 9 pm, Pepsi backed out of a sponsorship deal with her. All because of a black jesus and burning crosses imagery. Or one of my favorite movies Spawn- Todd Mcfarlane has talked about how they had to change most of the supporting characters who were black in the comics to white in the film to get funding.

Those are just two examples that are not too modern but not too old. If you go back through history, there's all kinds of comparable shit, like the comic's code authority or the fact that  married couples slept in separate beds in early sitcoms. Why is the fact that this company won't be reprinting this book so uniquely awful that it shook your belief in freedom of speech?

It's funny watching you leftists jump through hoops defending the craziness.

[Al Doggity]

It's funny watching you leftists jump through hoops defending the craziness.

Can't be as hilarious as watching you conservatards abandoning all sense of logic and context to prop up your conspiracy theories and victim complexes . I'm keeping up with this thread to see how the imaginary plot to bring down Dr Seuss was orchestrated using Dominion software to  uncover the identities of the Qanon operatives who are organizing trump's pending inauguration. 

[King Shizzo]

Why is this incident proof of anything? This type of thing has been going on for all of the modern age.
Companies always try to steer clear of controversy and avoid doing things that jeopardize profits.

For example, in the 90s, Madonna released a controversial video for the song "Like A Prayer." A lot of radio stations banned it, religious groups protested, at one point Mtv would only play it after 9 pm, Pepsi backed out of a sponsorship deal with her. All because of a black jesus and burning crosses imagery. Or one of my favorite movies Spawn- Todd Mcfarlane has talked about how they had to change most of the supporting characters who were black in the comics to white in the film to get funding.

Those are just two examples that are not too modern but not too old. If you go back through history, there's all kinds of comparable shit, like the comic's code authority or the fact that  married couples slept in separate beds in early sitcoms. Why is the fact that this company won't be reprinting this book so uniquely awful that it shook your belief in freedom of speech?

You made my point. It was never free. It's just magnified a million times more, because of the internet.

Instead of making flyers, putting out news paper articles, and using land line telephones, modern day snowflakes use social media, email, and riots to show anger and disagreement.

I've just watched both a popular movie and currently watching a hit tv show that use the "N" word. Wonder why they don't get canceled?
Is it because it's considered part of a director's vision?

Why hasn't American History X been erased yet?

They just use cancel culture, to pick and choose who they want to go after.

[Megalodon]

 

[Al Doggity]

You made my point. It was never free. It's just magnified a million times more, because of the internet.

Instead of making flyers, putting out news paper articles, and using land line telephones, modern day snowflakes use social media, email, and riots to show anger and disagreement.

I've just watched both a popular movie and currently watching a hit tv show that use the "N" word. Wonder why they don't get canceled?
Is it because it's considered part of a director's vision?

Why hasn't American History X been erased yet?

They just use cancel culture, to pick and choose who they want to go after.

If your point was that you don't understand what "free speech" means, don't understand what context is and don't understand what a basic commerce strategy entails, then I guess I did prove your point. There's so much about your post that's off, it's like you wrote while high or drunk.  When I said ignoring all logic and reason in my last post, it seems like you took that as a challenge to see how illogical and unreasonable you can get.

There's way too much to unpack here, but I'll focus on how you're using freedom of speech. I'm sure you've heard the phrase "freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences"? Do you understand what that means? Do you really think the concept of freedom of speech could have ever meant that businesses could completely ignore having any public-facing values and not care at all about how customers perceived them? You honestly don't get that freedom of speech is a political concept that protects citizens from jail time and not a commercial concept that exempts businesses from having to care about their images to market their products?

You literally said that this proves to you that freedom of speech is dead and probably never existed.  It's not just the disconnect between what actually happened vs what y'all want to tell yourselves happened to feel victimized. It's the disconnect between what y'all are telling yourselves happened and how you're trying to convince yourself that it's something unique and cataclysmic for the sole purpose of feeling victimized. 

[King Shizzo]

If your point was that you don't understand what "free speech" means, don't understand what context is and don't understand what a basic commerce strategy entails, then I guess I did prove your point. There's so much about your post that's off, it's like you wrote while high or drunk.  When I said ignoring all logic and reason in my last post, it seems like you took that as a challenge to see how illogical and unreasonable you can get.

There's way too much to unpack here, but I'll focus on how you're using freedom of speech. I'm sure you've heard the phrase "freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences"? Do you understand what that means? Do you really think the concept of freedom of speech could have ever meant that businesses could completely ignore having any public-facing values and not care at all about how customers perceived them? You honestly don't get that freedom of speech is a political concept that protects citizens from jail time and not a commercial concept that exempts businesses from having to care about their images to market their products?

You literally said that this proves to you that freedom of speech is dead and probably never existed.  It's not just the disconnect between what actually happened vs what y'all want to tell yourselves happened to feel victimized. It's the disconnect between what y'all are telling yourselves happened and how you're trying to convince yourself that it's something unique and cataclysmic for the sole purpose of feeling victimized. 

Meltdown.

[Kwon]

Meltdown.

He's off his meds again.

[WeightPSHR]

You made my point. It was never free. It's just magnified a million times more, because of the internet.

Instead of making flyers, putting out news paper articles, and using land line telephones, modern day snowflakes use social media, email, and riots to show anger and disagreement.

I've just watched both a popular movie and currently watching a hit tv show that use the "N" word. Wonder why they don't get canceled?
Is it because it's considered part of a director's vision?

Why hasn't American History X been erased yet?

They just use cancel culture, to pick and choose who they want to go after.

Well said. On point.

One of the very reasons the libtard agenda of cancel culture is backfiring. They want equaiity, but all they're getting is hate.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

God, you are so dumb.

Have you read any of those books???  You cant get away with Asian stereotypes anymore.  Crack open a fucking book...geez

[IroNat]

[WeightPSHR]

Have you read any of those books???  You cant get away with Asian stereotypes anymore.  Crack open a fucking book...geez

How is it a stereotype if the guy lives in Asia? Isn't the resemblance accurate? Is he supposed the be drawn wearing Levi's and a baseball hat? The characters are depicted accurately.

Oh well, the left is doing an amazing job of bring racism back.

[Al Doggity]

Meltdown.

This would almost count as a burn if you weren't just whining about how Dr Seuss reprints were the only thing that kept you believing in freedom of speech at the top of this page.

[Al Doggity]

How is it a stereotype if the guy lives in Asia? Isn't the resemblance accurate? Is he supposed the be drawn wearing Levi's and a baseball hat? The characters are depicted accurately.

Oh well, the left is doing an amazing job of bring racism back.

What are you talking about? Just because a character lives in asian doesn't mean the depiction is not a stereotype. 

Why are you blaming the left for bringing racism back?

[Dave D]

What are you talking about? Just because a character lives in asian doesn't mean the depiction is not a stereotype. 

Why are you blaming the left for bringing racism back?

Al, when do you think as a society we decided stereotypes equaled racism? Do you think this is a recent development or have we always associated stereotypes as racist but society was willing to overlook the connotations?

[Al Doggity]

Al, when do you think as a society we decided stereotypes equaled racism? Do you think this is a recent development or have we always associated stereotypes as racist but society was willing to overlook the connotations?

Images like this were considered racist stereotypes by many at the time:



 It was easier to sweep a lot of stuff under the rug then, but there were still a lot of people who acknowledged that images like this are rooted in racism.  And the reason the Seuss estate is trying to distance themselves from stuff like this is because outside of the Seuss pen name, the artist created stuff that was even more blatantly racist. This was not some hot button issue that the demon left pressured them into making.

At the risk of melting down, I'll refrain from expending too many words about how we don't decide on popular sentiment as a society. Ideas and feelings can gradually change, when more people feel a certain way than they used to, then certain sentiments will seem outdated. Even still, there are people who  see no reason to view things differently. 

[WeightPSHR]

What are you talking about? Just because a character lives in asian doesn't mean the depiction is not a stereotype. 

Why are you blaming the left for bringing racism back?

So you're saying you found the books offensive?

Yes, the left is causing racism. Blaming police for a bunch of dindus that don't know how to respect authority or the police. BLM. Allowing illegals to come into our country. Do you need any more examples?

I'm all about giving (legal) minorities a fair shake at everything but that is not what's happening. Why is the left only pandering to the didus? What about all the other minorities in the US?

[Al Doggity]

So you're saying you found the books offensive?

No one cared about these books. They were a non-issue that affected no one's life. 

Yes, the left is causing racism. Blaming police for a bunch of dindus that don't know how to respect authority or the police. BLM. Allowing illegals to come into our country. Do you need any more examples?

None of these things cause racism. If your reaction to them is to be more racist, that has nothing to do with the left. Or these books.

I'm all about giving (legal) minorities a fair shake at everything but that is not what's happening. Why is the left only pandering to the didus? What about all the other minorities in the US?

No, you're not. You're all about complaining.  First of all, fuck you for the dindu comment. Secondly the fact that you think "pandering"  only happens for blacks proves how your complaining is informed by your myopia.  You are not concerned with other minority groups, if you made yourself aware of your surroundings, you wouldn't be happier that others  were getting a fairer shake, you'd be angrier. I remember you posting in that hbo thread about how upset you were that only blacks had a special category on netflix. When another  user pointed out that that wasn't accurate, you just said you didn't believe him and spent the rest of the thread complaining about the ever-ominous "agenda".

[King Shizzo]

No one cared about these books. They were a non-issue that affected no one's life. 

None of these things cause racism. If your reaction to them is to be more racist, that has nothing to do with the left. Or these books.

No, you're not. You're all about complaining.  First of all, fuck you for the dindu comment. Secondly the fact that you think "pandering"  only happens for blacks proves how your complaining is informed by your myopia.  You are not concerned with other minority groups, if you made yourself aware of your surroundings, you wouldn't be happier that others  were getting a fairer shake, you'd be angrier. I remember you posting in that hbo thread about how upset you were that only blacks had a special category on netflix. When another  user pointed out that that wasn't accurate, you just said you didn't believe him and spent the rest of the thread complaining about the ever-ominous "agenda".

Settle down, Jerome.

[Al Doggity]

Settle down, Jerome.

Your posts are worthless.

[King Shizzo]

Your posts are worthless and I hope you die.

[WeightPSHR]

No one cared about these books. They were a non-issue that affected no one's life. 

None of these things cause racism. If your reaction to them is to be more racist, that has nothing to do with the left. Or these books.

No, you're not. You're all about complaining.  First of all, fuck you for the dindu comment. Secondly the fact that you think "pandering"  only happens for blacks proves how your complaining is informed by your myopia.  You are not concerned with other minority groups, if you made yourself aware of your surroundings, you wouldn't be happier that others  were getting a fairer shake, you'd be angrier. I remember you posting in that hbo thread about how upset you were that only blacks had a special category on netflix. When another  user pointed out that that wasn't accurate, you just said you didn't believe him and spent the rest of the thread complaining about the ever-ominous "agenda".

I'm going to leave you to continue to get offended by my posts. I'm not wasting any more of my time.

It's unfortunate that a silly Dindu comment offends you. Perhaps you know it's true and you feel guilt.

So long libtard.