Dr. Seuss and Curious George racist?

[Dave D]

Images like this were considered racist stereotypes by many at the time:



 It was easier to sweep a lot of stuff under the rug then, but there were still a lot of people who acknowledged that images like this are rooted in racism.  And the reason the Seuss estate is trying to distance themselves from stuff like this is because outside of the Seuss pen name, the artist he created stuff that was even more blatantly racist. This was not some hot button issue that the demon left pressured them into making.

At the risk of melting down, I'll refrain from expending too many words about how we don't decide on popular sentiment as a society. Ideas and feelings can gradually change, when more people feel a certain way than they used to, then certain sentiments will seem outdated. Even still, there are people who don't see no reason to view things differently.

Good points. For the record I look at the image posted and I think of African tribesmen but I have no idea what the picture is in context to the words written. I do agree with you that feelings change over time and every generation seems to be more open minded than the ones that preceded them.

Its interesting to me only because we see sites like YouTube and Facebook using stereotypes and generalizations to build their ad algorithms. I'll use YouTube on my work phone, it's an account  that I'm not signed into, and it will constantly ask me for information like age range and product preferences (I never answer)  so it can tailor the ads to my interests. Obviously they're using the data shared not only to alter advertisements  but content and on some level they are using stereotypes to do this.

I guess my real question was have we always associated stereotypes as being racist because it seems like the two words now travel hand in hand.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

How is it a stereotype if the guy lives in Asia? Isn't the resemblance accurate? Is he supposed the be drawn wearing Levi's and a baseball hat? The characters are depicted accurately.

Oh well, the left is doing an amazing job of bring racism back.

No, its a little more than that....Read the books...sigh

[King Shizzo]

Good points. For the record I look at the image posted and I think of African tribesmen but I have no idea what the picture is in context to the words written. I do agree with you that feelings change over time and every generation seems to be more open minded than the ones that preceded them.

Its interesting to me only because we see sites like YouTube and Facebook using stereotypes and generalizations to build their ad algorithms. I'll use YouTube on my work phone, it's an account  that I'm not signed into, and it will constantly ask me for information like age range and product preferences (I never answer)  so it can tailor the ads to my interests. Obviously they're using the data shared not only to alter advertisements  but content and on some level they are using stereotypes to do this.

I guess my real question was have we always associated stereotypes as being racist because it seems like the two words now travel hand in hand.

I live in a world, that I can make fun of my multicultural friends, and they can make fun of me.

Call it racial jokes or "stereotyping", I have never come across a normal human being who was offended by a racial joke.

Want to know why? Because there are jokes about every color, creed, sexual preference, handicapped, blind, one-balled, vegan, Canadian, American, and Vince Goodrum.

We are all equally open to be made fun of.

Equal.

[Dave D]

I live in a world, that I can make fun of my multicultural friends, and they can make fun of me.

Call it racial jokes or "stereotyping", I have never come across a normal human being who was offended by a racial joke.

Want to know why? Because there are jokes about every color, creed, sexual preference, handicapped, blind, one-balled, vegan, Canadian, American, and Vince Goodrum.

We are all equally open to be made fun of.

Equal.

Meltdown

[King Shizzo]

Meltdown

[The Scott]

Welcome back, you were gone for a few months.

Thank you!

[WeightPSHR]

No, its a little more than that....Read the books...sigh

Please explain what's offensive about these books to you personally? I'd seriously like to know. Nobody saw these books as racist until the woke librards tried to find something to prove how racist this country is.

They literally have no real world evidence of extreme racism so they're cancelling children's books,lol

[WeightPSHR]

Images like this were considered racist stereotypes by many at the time:



 It was easier to sweep a lot of stuff under the rug then, but there were still a lot of people who acknowledged that images like this are rooted in racism.  And the reason the Seuss estate is trying to distance themselves from stuff like this is because outside of the Seuss pen name, the artist created stuff that was even more blatantly racist. This was not some hot button issue that the demon left pressured them into making.

At the risk of melting down, I'll refrain from expending too many words about how we don't decide on popular sentiment as a society. Ideas and feelings can gradually change, when more people feel a certain way than they used to, then certain sentiments will seem outdated. Even still, there are people who  see no reason to view things differently.

I see silly looking cartoon characters. Most of Dr.Seuss' books have silly looking characters. For the life of me don't see anything racist. Are Monkey like characters now racist?

Am I a racist for not seeing this as racist?

[Al Doggity]

Good points. For the record I look at the image posted and I think of African tribesmen

the funny thing is in my previous response to you, I was going to write "I'm sure someone would say they don't see any racist stereotypes in that pic". But if someone asked you to make this pic more of a  racist caricature, how would you do that? Other than having them eating westerners or raping a white woman , I don't know how I'd do it. I think this is about as far as I'd be able to go and expect it to get into a children's book. 

Ultimately, it's not a huge deal either way. What is considered  racist is subjective. I've seen white guys on here claiming that white men are the only people who actually experience racism and then give examples like not being able to search hbomax for movies with white actors. To me that's not racism, but maybe some of y'all honestly feel victimized by that. I'd assume most of y'all don't.

Its interesting to me only because we see sites like YouTube and Facebook using stereotypes and generalizations to build their ad algorithms. I'll use YouTube on my work phone, it's an account  that I'm not signed into, and it will constantly ask me for information like age range and product preferences (I never answer)  so it can tailor the ads to my interests. Obviously they're using the data shared not only to alter advertisements  but content and on some level they are using stereotypes to do this.

I guess my real question was have we always associated stereotypes as being racist because it seems like the two words now travel hand in hand.

Every stereotype isn't based on race, they can be based on other things. I don't really agree that "stereotype"  and "generality/ generalization" are used interchangeably, even though stereotype does have more of a negative connotation.  It's possible that the popular meaning of stereotype has morphed over the years based on more people in society acknowledging how harmful stereotypes can be. I don't really know the etymology of the word.

[Al Doggity]

I live in a world, that I can make fun of my multicultural friends, and they can make fun of me.

Call it racial jokes or "stereotyping", I have never come across a normal human being who was offended by a racial joke.

Want to know why? Because there are jokes about every color, creed, sexual preference, handicapped, blind, one-balled, vegan, Canadian, American, and Vince Goodrum.

We are all equally open to be made fun of.

Equal.

Yes: your FRIENDS. That's not unique among friends. But do you think strangers would react the same way to jokes you make with your friends?If you think so, then that proves what others have said about you not actually having any friends.

Let's take race out of the equation and just use a hypothetical example of someone who was balding and not in great shape.  Now, if they were in a store, and the clerk called them baldie or fatty, it might offend or it might be something they'd overlook. It could probably go either way depending on the day. However, if the clerk repeatedly called them baldie and fatty, it would without a doubt irritate them at some point, even if the clerk was laughing. If this hypothetical person felt that the clerk gave them poor service based on your appearance, they would be livid.

[Dave D]

the funny thing is in my previous response to you, I was going to write "I'm sure someone would say they don't see any racist stereotypes in that pic". But if someone asked you to make this pic more of a  racist caricature, how would you do that? Other than having them eating westerners or raping a white woman , I don't know how I'd do it. I think this is about as far as I'd be able to go and expect it to get into a children's book. 

Ultimately, it's not a huge deal either way. What is considered  racist is subjective. I've seen white guys on here claiming that white men are the only people who actually experience racism and then give examples like not being able to search hbomax for movies with white actors. To me that's not racism, but maybe some of y'all honestly feel victimized by that. I'd assume most of y'all don't.


Every stereotype isn't based on race, they can be based on other things. I don't really agree that "stereotype"  and "generality/ generalization" are used interchangeably, even though stereotype does have more of a negative connotation.  It's possible that the popular meaning of stereotype has morphed over the years based on more people in society acknowledging how harmful stereotypes can be. I don't really know the etymology of the word.

Great question in the first bolded sentence, I’ll agree with you in that if someone was setting out to sketch racist cartoons this would be a great example. Context is king though. This may not be an issue if the characters were white, but then we would be talking about cultural appropriation.

I find the discussion interesting as the idea of racism can be subjective but it is also very definable. Was Dr. Suess a racist? Maybe  during his time he wouldn’t have been considered one but today that’s a different story.

As a child I always found Dr. Suess books odd, or maybe dated is a better word, because I never knew people who dressed like his depictions. As a child I would have never thought of the tribesmen as a hateful depiction, they resembled they people I learned about in National Geographic, but today I can realize if this was done in hateful way these books could be used to negatively influence generations.

[Humble Narcissist]

Great question in the first bolded sentence, I’ll agree with you in that if someone was setting out to sketch racist cartoons this would be a great example. Context is king though. This may not be an issue if the characters were white, but then we would be talking about cultural appropriation.

I find the discussion interesting as the idea of racism can be subjective but it is also very definable. Was Dr. Suess a racist? Maybe  during his time he wouldn’t have been considered one but today that’s a different story.

As a child I always found Dr. Suess books odd, or maybe dated is a better word, because I never knew people who dressed like his depictions. As a child I would have never thought of the tribesmen as a hateful depiction, they resembled they people I learned about in National Geographic, but today I can realize if this was done in hateful way these books could be used to negatively influence generations.

Funny books are not hate.  Do we go through all of history and try to change everything that doesn't fit the current norm?

[Kwon]

Should we erase all history before 1950s?

[WeightPSHR]

Should we erase all history before 1950s?

That is effectively what the left is trying to do. Insanity.

[Al Doggity]

Great question in the first bolded sentence, I’ll agree with you in that if someone was setting out to sketch racist cartoons this would be a great example. Context is king though. This may not be an issue if the characters were white, but then we would be talking about cultural appropriation.

I find the discussion interesting as the idea of racism can be subjective but it is also very definable. Was Dr. Suess a racist? Maybe  during his time he wouldn’t have been considered one but today that’s a different story.

As a child I always found Dr. Suess books odd, or maybe dated is a better word, because I never knew people who dressed like his depictions. As a child I would have never thought of the tribesmen as a hateful depiction, they resembled they people I learned about in National Geographic, but today I can realize if this was done in hateful way these books could be used to negatively influence generations.

I think we're in the same age range (I'm turning 40 this year) and, yeah, Dr Seuss books were not in style when I was growing up. OFC, they were always there, but they seemed like dusty relics and even the colors seemed all faded and washed out compared to the other children's books I liked. But they made a major licensing push in the last two decades and now they are a hipper brand and they are raking in licensing revenue hand over fist. My kids actually love Seuss books.

[Al Doggity]

Funny books are not hate.

Ok. So, funny books can't have a hateful agenda. Can they have other kinds of agendas? Like, if it was a funny children's book with a picture of a gay couple in it, would you see an agenda there?

Or can funny commercials have agendas? Like, a funny car commercial with a mixed race couple? Would you  be able to find an agenda there? 

[King Shizzo]

Ok. So, funny books can't have a hateful agenda. Can they have other kinds of agendas? Like, if it was a funny children's book with a picture of a gay couple in it, would you see an agenda there?

Or can funny commercials have agendas? Like, a funny car commercial with a mixed race couple? Would you  be able to find an agenda there?

There is always an agenda.

Laugh, but try not to get hypnotized.

[Dave D]

Funny books are not hate.  Do we go through all of history and try to change everything that doesn't fit the current norm?

Google Bugs Bunny WWII. These funny cartoons were racist. This propaganda was used to boost National Pride/morale  during a tumultuous time and it worked (unless you were of Asian or German descent).

Viewed through todays eyes these cartoons are seen as a racist hate filled tool to influence the youth of that generation. At the time they were very likely necessary.

Were/are Dr. Suess books racist? It depends on his intentions. Were those characters drawn to bring a sense of pride and identity to black children or were they drawn to mock them?

When I think of racist cartoons I think of the cartoons/print ads from the 1920’s era that show blacks with large heads, big lips and spitting watermelon seeds and not Dr. Suess books or Aunt Jemima. But I’ve also never been an African tribesmen or a black woman.....

[Royalty]

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[The Scott]

Disgusting libs look for evil everywhere but the mirror.  Understandable seeing as how it's their personal Picture of Dorian Gray.  Somewhere there must be a "mad" scientist working on a mutant dung beetle that'll eat libs. 

To be liberal is to cuckold your nation to turd worlders.  They deserve to be lost at sea.

[Humble Narcissist]

Why am I not surprised the libtards on Getbig support cancel culture?  In reality, none of you were ever offended by any of this shit but support it because leftists just hate republicans and are for anything they are against.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/02/25/poll-shows-republicans-care-issues-democrats-hate-republicans/

[Megalodon]

Ignoble failure at canceling Cat in the Hat:




Icy ignorami


Inglorious Nazi-porn gone Seuss

[Kwon]

[Megalodon]

fixed 

[Kwon]

fixed 

Wouldnt mind being Curious George there