Is bodybuilding a waste?

[oldtimer1]

Another thing I have seen are guys that threw away any possibility of a career pursuing the syringe life style in their 20's. Working toward financial stability through the pursuit of a career should have been a priority. 

[IroNat]

What's this talk about Getbig not being the "real world"?

[Johnholmes]

Another thing I have seen are guys that threw away any possibility of a career pursuing the syringe life style in their 20's. Working toward financial stability through the pursuit of a career should have been a priority.

Do you have a collection of thongs?

[El Diablo Blanco]

The ESPN Lance Armstrong documentary was interesting. It's amazing what a little EPO can do.

60 minutes did a special on this guy who created a little motor no smaller than a D cell battery that fit into the support of the bike.  Gave the riders maybe 15 minutes of power, enough to help them excel in the mountains.  Funny enough, this is where Lance seemed to excel beyond the others. The creator without saying his name pretty much eluded that Lance paid him  a ton to keep this tech exclusive to him and his team.  They even showed how as soon as Lance finished a leg of the race, his bike was quickly taken and hidden so that no one could inspect it or find this device.

Lance cheated in a bunch of ways.

[IroNat]

60 minutes did a special on this guy who created a little motor no smaller than a D cell battery that fit into the support of the bike.  Gave the riders maybe 15 minutes of power, enough to help them excel in the mountains.  Funny enough, this is where Lance seemed to excel beyond the others. The creator without saying his name pretty much eluded that Lance paid him  a ton to keep this tech exclusive to him and his team.  They even showed how as soon as Lance finished a leg of the race, his bike was quickly taken and hidden so that no one could inspect it or find this device.

Lance cheated in a bunch of ways.

Dude was a true American!

[oldtimer1]

Do you support the so-called natural federations or merely lament about how it used to be before anabolics came into the picture?

Maybe the look like crap because they no longer eat or train with any decency once they stop using performance-enhancing drugs.  There are plenty of old former pros who still look great, even if they no longer have the size and strength they once did in their prime.

Isn't it usually the case that the very first time someone uses steroids, they blow up like weeds? I experienced something similar when I first loaded with creatine. I thought it was the second coming, after putting on 12 pounds in a little over two weeks. I've yet to replicate that feat in the 20+ years since I've used creatine.

Those who love bodybuilding still stick with it, long after they retire and it shows. Those whose passion for it only exists as long it bring them attention/fame or fortune usually become the guys of which you speak. It's that whole wheat and chaff thing.

Yes, real anabolics work amazing and fast. I have seen amazing transformations in under two months. Anyone that has been around the game long enough knows I speak the truth. Right now it's a crap shoot what counterfeit guys are buying. The saying all drugs has a lot of truth. 

Creatine?  A lot of water retention.  No I don't believe you put on 12lbs of muscle in two weeks with creatine.

Do I support natural bodybuilding? I have strong suspicions about some of the competitors. I support a natural bodybuilding life style in the gym. If someone wants to pose to music while oiled up in their g string for cheering men then more power to them. Of course I'm in awe of someone with a great natural physique. Even the drug users are amazing but I don't forget for one second what I'm looking at. That is a temporary incredible physique that will look like a shell of itself just three months off of the drugs. Personally I don't even call myself a bodybuilder. I just train hard for fitness. That's my path. It doesn't have to be yours.

In the end what anyone does is their decision in life. I don't have to agree with it. I do understand that those that live the bodybuilding drug life to get compliments to prop up their little boy ego from the clueless are hurt by what I wrote. It's their identity.  You don't challenge a man's identity without getting challenged.

[The Scott]

What's this talk about Getbig not being the "real world"?

Ooops!  Yeah, I have no idea what dimension I was in when I wrote that! 

[Soul Crusher]

Thats exactly why I never went on anything.  The dudes who blew up in no time and strutted around only to deflate and look like crap a few months later.   It was all fake.   Entirely FNG fake.  One guy in my gym died from a tainted syringe, others slinked off into obscurity, etc. 

So many of these guys are a flash in the pan.  Look great once while sauced up, but no real work ethic, no real love of the training etc. 

No thanks.   

I've been around bodybuilding for over 50 years. Weider use to be located blocks from my childhood house. He use to give me free magazines that started this obsession. I started lifting in my early teens and in my sixties the madness continues.  I remember in the late 70's and early 80's when the secret of steroids were completely out of hiding. Seen guys lifting for an entire year look like nothing special then go on on a cycle for 6 week putting on an amazing amount of muscle.  Back then steroids were made by legit pharmaceutical companies in the US and were obtained by a doctor script or driving to a pharmacy in Mexico without one. The gym steroid pushers had legitimate stuff back then. Now from what I hear drugs work or they don't according to where it was counterfeited.  I don't believe any legit anavar, dianabol or Anadrol 50 exists anymore. Drugs that were truly anabolic steroids that have high anabolic properties and lower androgen properties I bet don't exist anymore. One Anadrol 50 a day made amazing and quick changes back in the day. Now I hear guys are taking 5 or 6 and look like bloated shit. It was the same old story repeated time and time again with drugs. A zero went to a hero in nothing flat popping some pills and a weekly syringe shot. 

The crazy part are these "heroes"  actually think they know something about lifting when I knew how they looked before the assist.  Why didn't they give lifting and diet advice before the drugs? I will answer. No one would listen to them.  It got to the point in the late 70's and into the 80's that it almost seemed the whole gym was juicing.  Every gym seemed to have the local drug pusher. The typical stereotype was a guy in the gym that didn't have a job but drove there in a brand new car.  Guys would talk to him in whispered measured speech and meet him in the parking lot where his trunk would open and syringes, vials and pills were passed after getting a handful of cash.  It was known that he could also obtain any recreational drug. too.  He also pushed veterinarian steroids like Winstrol V and Equipose that worked miracles on guys.

What I have seen are guys that got very aggressive, confident and a feeling of well being while on. Guys back then took breaks on cycles often staying completely clean for months. What happened once the drugs left their system is they got nervous, timid and depressed as the drugs left their system.  Sounds like a plan for addiction.

Through the years I have seen ex users that look like they never did a push up in their life but are quick to take out a crumbled up picture of their glory days out of their wallet to show everyone.   How many super stars look like complete crap without the assist?  Too many to mention.  Many will use the rationalization of a guy they know that has been cycling for decades and now never go completely off. It's like saying you know a smoker that started as a teen and is now 80.  Yes, that can happen percentage wise but it doesn't negate the risk to health.  I won't even mention liver, kidney, endocrine and cardio vascular problems. A fool can rationalize that away. You should always put the risk factors you can control in your favor.

Bodybuilding could have been the greatest thing you could do for appearance, health, well being and strength.  Instead it became the sport based on drugs for the insecure. Without drugs the sport wouldn't exist as we know it. No one would be flying to Vegas for the Olympia weekend.  Having said that I wish bodybuilding would revert to what it was in the 50's. It was real. Do yourself a favor. Lift hard and do hard cardio. Eat right. You will look great but you wouldn't be able to stand next to a steroid user on stage.

[Van_Bilderass]

Back then steroids were made by legit pharmaceutical companies in the US and were obtained by a doctor script or driving to a pharmacy in Mexico without one. The gym steroid pushers had legitimate stuff back then. Now from what I hear drugs work or they don't according to where it was counterfeited.  I don't believe any legit anavar, dianabol or Anadrol 50 exists anymore. Drugs that were truly anabolic steroids that have high anabolic properties and lower androgen properties I bet don't exist anymore.

You "oldtimers" just won't get it into your retarded brains that there has never in the history of the world been as many legitimate anabolic steroids available, as easily. Nothing I say will change your mind, but you're the fool. You as an American can get an online prescription this second for any oral you want, any injectable, from a compounding pharmacy. You have UG labs pumping out high dosed gear by the ton out the ass. Never has there been as many drugs, no oldtimer in the scene would go back in time wrt drug availability. You couldn't get GH, tren was hard to get. No MENT etc. Steroids are dirt cheap. You can get any type of drug, back in the day you bought whatever your gym dealer had on hand, now it's anything and everything you could think of.

Then you go on complaining how it's "all drugs". How can it be all drugs if drugs aren't available? WTF!

Go on fucking Instagram and tell me real drugs aren't available. Imbeciles. The physiques are insane, powerlifting records are insane, records fall every day that were thought impossible just a short while ago. Why? Real drugs. Like a top powerlifter says, anyone can put together an elite total now if he is willing to pump a lot of tren.

 

[Johnholmes]

fucking pussies man. juiced to the gills is the way to go.
bunch of guys with small dicks.

[The Scott]

fucking pussies man. juiced to the gills is the way to go.
bunch of guys with small dicks.

You must have one helluva a shenis, there ace.

[Dave D]

It's like magic! My neighbor was Lance's right hand man. The stories I've heard, lol.

Do you think Lance would have been an average cyclist without drugs?

I'm curious if elite cycling is more of an athletic contest or if its a drug war.

[falco]

You must have one helluva a shenis, there ace.

He makes Edgar Guanipa look small.

[Johnholmes]

You must have one helluva a shenis, there ace.

Wanna see it ?

[Hypertrophy]

Do you think Lance would have been an average cyclist without drugs?

I'm curious if elite cycling is more of an athletic contest or if its a drug war.

No- Lance would have still kicked ass without drugs - but he was racing against other doped cyclists and decided to even the playing field. Lance was destroying triathlon fields as a 15 year old - he had the genetics.


Elite cyclists are genetically gifted no doubt. I've raced against some of the best early in their careers and was shocked at how good they were. But EPO changed everything and put it at a whole new level.


EPO use is way way down now because of the new "biological passports" and the racing is far cleaner. That's evidenced by a bunch of new, younger cyclists who are taking over.

[IroNat]

You "oldtimers" just won't get it into your retarded brains that there has never in the history of the world been as many legitimate anabolic steroids available, as easily. Nothing I say will change your mind, but you're the fool. You as an American can get an online prescription this second for any oral you want, any injectable, from a compounding pharmacy. You have UG labs pumping out high dosed gear by the ton out the ass. Never has there been as many drugs, no oldtimer in the scene would go back in time wrt drug availability. You couldn't get GH, tren was hard to get. No MENT etc. Steroids are dirt cheap. You can get any type of drug, back in the day you bought whatever your gym dealer had on hand, now it's anything and everything you could think of.

Then you go on complaining how it's "all drugs". How can it be all drugs if drugs aren't available? WTF!

Go on fucking Instagram and tell me real drugs aren't available. Imbeciles. The physiques are insane, powerlifting records are insane, records fall every day that were thought impossible just a short while ago. Why? Real drugs. Like a top powerlifter says, anyone can put together an elite total now if he is willing to pump a lot of tren.

 

And...your point is?

You think there wasn't a crapload of drugs available in the 70s?  Yes, there wasn't insulin or GH.  Tren was unheard of.

It was way easier to get stuff back then.  Pharm grade stuff.  Nothing was made in some guy's basement or in a Chinese lab.

Guys were doing stacks of 4 or 5 steroids then.

I don't think OT is saying he thinks drugs aren't available.  They are easily available today in the U.S. illegally.

It's been shown that many drugs available today are not what they say they are.  You trust the Chinese underground labs?

You're dealing with criminals.

Another thing...people think 'roids were legal back in the 70s & early 80s. 

Heck, they were illegal back in the 70s to get unless you had a doctor's prescription.

So, if you want to do them then or now you have to break the law. 

[Hypertrophy]

60 minutes did a special on this guy who created a little motor no smaller than a D cell battery that fit into the support of the bike.  Gave the riders maybe 15 minutes of power, enough to help them excel in the mountains.  Funny enough, this is where Lance seemed to excel beyond the others. The creator without saying his name pretty much eluded that Lance paid him  a ton to keep this tech exclusive to him and his team.  They even showed how as soon as Lance finished a leg of the race, his bike was quickly taken and hidden so that no one could inspect it or find this device.

Lance cheated in a bunch of ways.

No- Lance didn't have a battery in his bike, lol. The story you are referring to is one Greg LeMond made up claiming that the current World Champion cyclist at the time, Fabian Cancellara, used a motor in his bike to win a race. It was disproven and LeMond was made to look like a fool. Btw Lance had already retired by then...


The motor you are describing was one of the earliest Ebike attempts. The motor could provide an additional 200 watts- which is huge- for about 10 minutes-enough to affect a race. However that early design was noisy as hell and actually caused the crankset ( where the pedals are attached) to turn in a slow cadence - screwing up the riders pedaling style. One woman racer was caught using it in a small event and promptly got tossed from the sport.


Now Ebikes are  everywhere but all pro races use a scanning system on the bikes to detect them. Not a single case had been found.

[Van_Bilderass]

And...your point is?

You think there wasn't a crapload of drugs available in the 70s?

I thought my point was obvious. The fella says he doubts there are ANY real drugs available. It's completely idiotic but he has said the same for years now. How it's all watered down testosterone.

They are semi-legal now. Clinics offer any steroid you want now. They are advertising openly all over instagram.

[Johnholmes]

I thought my point was obvious. The fella says he doubts there are ANY real drugs available. It's completely idiotic but he has said the same for years now. How it's all watered down testosterone.

Fucking guys on here who bitch about drugs. Man they have no clue.  most of them are just jelous because they get no pussy.

[IroNat]

I thought my point was obvious. The fella says he doubts there are ANY real drugs available. It's completely idiotic but he has said the same for years now. How it's all watered down testosterone.

They are semi-legal now. Clinics offer any steroid you want now. They are advertising openly all over instagram.

I'm in the US so they are illegal.  Personally, I think adults should do whatever drugs they want as long as they don't hurt anyone else.

Everybody is entitled to f*ck themselves up.  Drink booze, smoke pot, do steroids, whatever.  Make your own choices.

[MCWAY]

Yes, real anabolics work amazing and fast. I have seen amazing transformations in under two months. Anyone that has been around the game long enough knows I speak the truth. Right now it's a crap shoot what counterfeit guys are buying. The saying all drugs has a lot of truth. 

Creatine?  A lot of water retention.  No I don't believe you put on 12lbs of muscle in two weeks with creatine.

Do I support natural bodybuilding? I have strong suspicions about some of the competitors. I support a natural bodybuilding life style in the gym. If someone wants to pose to music while oiled up in their g string for cheering men then more power to them. Of course I'm in awe of someone with a great natural physique. Even the drug users are amazing but I don't forget for one second what I'm looking at. That is a temporary incredible physique that will look like a shell of itself just three months off of the drugs. Personally I don't even call myself a bodybuilder. I just train hard for fitness. That's my path. It doesn't have to be yours.

In the end what anyone does is their decision in life. I don't have to agree with it. I do understand that those that live the bodybuilding drug life to get compliments to prop up their little boy ego from the clueless are hurt by what I wrote. It's their identity.  You don't challenge a man's identity without getting challenged.

I know transformations can happen quickly. The creatine comparison I made was regarding to FIRST-TIME USAGE. Water-retention or not (BTW, I never claimed I put on 12 lbs of pure muscle), the stuff worked and my size and strength went up significantly.

It sounds to me as if you're bit on the bitter side. Anyone with a great physique you'll accuse of being a drug user whether he actually is or not.

If you think bodybuilding is a "waste", so be it. Other people's mileage may vary. It's called managing expectations. People who think bodybuilding will make then instantly popular, famous, or rich are usually the ones who get their hearts broken. The late Paul DeMayo said in an IronMan video, "I don't want to live in a world where you have to be big, or people don't want to be your friend anymore.


Even "natural" have multiple meanings. Do you ingest anything other than regular food (i.e. creatine)? Few are going to gobble 10 lbs of steak daily to get 20 grams of creatine every 24 hours for a week. Vitamin C is natural, but do you plan on downing 30 oranges to get 1000 mg of the stuff? I don't and I live in Florida.

Have you used pro-hormones like DHEA or androstenedione (back in the day). If you're not "natty-for-life", how long much you eschew anabolics before you're consider natural again: 1 year? 3 years? 7 years? NEVER?


Those who love bodybuilding for its own sake, and don't obsess about who's taking X or injecting Y, are usually the ones who stick with it long term. Whether you're natural or not-so-natural, make your decision; support your decision; and EAT, DRINK, and be MASSIVE (or at least SWOLE).

[Hulkotron]

I've been around bodybuilding for over 50 years. Weider use to be located blocks from my childhood house. He use to give me free magazines that started this obsession. I started lifting in my early teens and in my sixties the madness continues.  I remember in the late 70's and early 80's when the secret of steroids were completely out of hiding. Seen guys lifting for an entire year look like nothing special then go on on a cycle for 6 week putting on an amazing amount of muscle.  Back then steroids were made by legit pharmaceutical companies in the US and were obtained by a doctor script or driving to a pharmacy in Mexico without one. The gym steroid pushers had legitimate stuff back then. Now from what I hear drugs work or they don't according to where it was counterfeited.  I don't believe any legit anavar, dianabol or Anadrol 50 exists anymore. Drugs that were truly anabolic steroids that have high anabolic properties and lower androgen properties I bet don't exist anymore. One Anadrol 50 a day made amazing and quick changes back in the day. Now I hear guys are taking 5 or 6 and look like bloated shit. It was the same old story repeated time and time again with drugs. A zero went to a hero in nothing flat popping some pills and a weekly syringe shot. 

The crazy part are these "heroes"  actually think they know something about lifting when I knew how they looked before the assist.  Why didn't they give lifting and diet advice before the drugs? I will answer. No one would listen to them.  It got to the point in the late 70's and into the 80's that it almost seemed the whole gym was juicing.  Every gym seemed to have the local drug pusher. The typical stereotype was a guy in the gym that didn't have a job but drove there in a brand new car.  Guys would talk to him in whispered measured speech and meet him in the parking lot where his trunk would open and syringes, vials and pills were passed after getting a handful of cash.  It was known that he could also obtain any recreational drug. too.  He also pushed veterinarian steroids like Winstrol V and Equipose that worked miracles on guys.

What I have seen are guys that got very aggressive, confident and a feeling of well being while on. Guys back then took breaks on cycles often staying completely clean for months. What happened once the drugs left their system is they got nervous, timid and depressed as the drugs left their system.  Sounds like a plan for addiction.

Through the years I have seen ex users that look like they never did a push up in their life but are quick to take out a crumbled up picture of their glory days out of their wallet to show everyone.   How many super stars look like complete crap without the assist?  Too many to mention.  Many will use the rationalization of a guy they know that has been cycling for decades and now never go completely off. It's like saying you know a smoker that started as a teen and is now 80.  Yes, that can happen percentage wise but it doesn't negate the risk to health.  I won't even mention liver, kidney, endocrine and cardio vascular problems. A fool can rationalize that away. You should always put the risk factors you can control in your favor.

Bodybuilding could have been the greatest thing you could do for appearance, health, well being and strength.  Instead it became the sport based on drugs for the insecure. Without drugs the sport wouldn't exist as we know it. No one would be flying to Vegas for the Olympia weekend.  Having said that I wish bodybuilding would revert to what it was in the 50's. It was real. Do yourself a favor. Lift hard and do hard cardio. Eat right. You will look great but you wouldn't be able to stand next to a steroid user on stage.

Bodybuilding is the muscle

[IroNat]

Anytime competition is involved people tend to go too far to win.

[Van_Bilderass]

I'm in the US so they are illegal.  Personally, I think adults should do whatever drugs they want as long as they don't hurt anyone else.

Everybody is entitled to f*ck themselves up.  Drink booze, smoke pot, do steroids, whatever.  Make your own choices.

You can get a US prescription of the steroid of your choice for cosmetic enhancement. If it's an illegal prescription, don't know, but they are operating openly.
One state in the US just decriminalized steroid use and possesion. It's complete free-for-all, an all you can eat PED buffet, never been so easy to get.

[IroNat]

You can get a US prescription of the steroid of your choice for cosmetic enhancement. If it's an illegal prescription, don't know, but they are operating openly.
One state in the US just decriminalized steroid use and possesion. It's complete free-for-all, an all you can eat PED buffet, never been so easy to get.

Yes, if you get a prescription you can get any drug, even opiates.  However, they are controlled substances.

If you want to be a trans-whatzit you can no doubt find a doc to prescribe you test to turn you into whatever or cut your dick off.

But, I can buy beer or liquor anytime without a prescription. There are 5 liquor stores in my town.

I have no personal interest in taking steroids or smoking pot, etc.   Just can't see going to all the trouble.  Like people who count macros in their food...too much bother.

But go for it.