Is bodybuilding a waste?

[Hypertrophy]

You can get a US prescription of the steroid of your choice for cosmetic enhancement. If it's an illegal prescription, don't know, but they are operating openly.
One state in the US just decriminalized steroid use and possesion. It's complete free-for-all, an all you can eat PED buffet, never been so easy to get.

What state would that be, since steroids are controlled at the federal level, not state ?

[BB]

What state would that be, since steroids are controlled at the federal level, not state ?

Oregon decriminalized everything use/possession wise statewide. Granted the Federal laws are still there, but for small time users, I doubt it's a big worry.

[TheShape.]

Bodybuilding naturally isn’t a waste, but you just need to understand you’ll never have the size and level of conditioning as your PED users. If you’re natural and try to diet down to 5% body fat you tend to eat up all that muscle only to look like you’re starving, it’s pointless to compete but not pointless to lift and keep a good natural physique. I look back at the lifters of the the 40s and 50s, they were big and strong, great builds even though they weren’t necessarily lean. That’s something a natural should a aspire to, I recently went back to basics on my training after being stuck at 180 lbs for years, through heavy lifting/eating on a consistent basis I’m now at 200 lbs at the same body fat (around 11%).

[joswift]

Bodybuilding naturally isn’t a waste, but you just need to understand you’ll never have the size and level of conditioning as your PED users. If you’re natural and try to diet down to 5% body fat you tend to eat up all that muscle only to look like you’re starving, it’s pointless to compete but not pointless to lift and keep a good natural physique. I look back at the lifters of the the 40s and 50s, they were big and strong, great builds even though they weren’t necessarily lean. That’s something a natural should a aspire to, I recently went back to basics on my training after being stuck at 180 lbs for years, through heavy lifting/eating on a consistent basis I’m now at 200 lbs at the same body fat (around 11%).

Look, natural or enhanced, its all false, your body eats away at your tissue to get you to what is normal for a human being, by lifting weights you are going against your natural state, eventually it all goes , and then you die, so who fucking cares how you do it?

[Kwon]

Why don’t you do us all a favor and kill yourself?

Why are you such a fan of cancel culture? Are you a woke lib?

[TheShape.]

Look, natural or enhanced, its all false, your body eats away at your tissue to get you to what is normal for a human being, by lifting weights you are going against your natural state, eventually it all goes , and then you die, so who fucking cares how you do it?

Very true, in the end it doesn’t really matter. I’m a natural ectomorph so if I stop training and eating for 6 months cold turkey I’d be 165 lbs pretty fast. It’s merely a personal preference right now not to use PEDs at this time, doesn’t mean I won’t try them later on. Definitely going on TRT when I get older.

[funk51]

I've been around bodybuilding for over 50 years. Weider use to be located blocks from my childhood house. He use to give me free magazines that started this obsession. I started lifting in my early teens and in my sixties the madness continues.  I remember in the late 70's and early 80's when the secret of steroids were completely out of hiding. Seen guys lifting for an entire year look like nothing special then go on on a cycle for 6 week putting on an amazing amount of muscle.  Back then steroids were made by legit pharmaceutical companies in the US and were obtained by a doctor script or driving to a pharmacy in Mexico without one. The gym steroid pushers had legitimate stuff back then. Now from what I hear drugs work or they don't according to where it was counterfeited.  I don't believe any legit anavar, dianabol or Anadrol 50 exists anymore. Drugs that were truly anabolic steroids that have high anabolic properties and lower androgen properties I bet don't exist anymore. One Anadrol 50 a day made amazing and quick changes back in the day. Now I hear guys are taking 5 or 6 and look like bloated shit. It was the same old story repeated time and time again with drugs. A zero went to a hero in nothing flat popping some pills and a weekly syringe shot. 

The crazy part are these "heroes"  actually think they know something about lifting when I knew how they looked before the assist.  Why didn't they give lifting and diet advice before the drugs? I will answer. No one would listen to them.  It got to the point in the late 70's and into the 80's that it almost seemed the whole gym was juicing.  Every gym seemed to have the local drug pusher. The typical stereotype was a guy in the gym that didn't have a job but drove there in a brand new car.  Guys would talk to him in whispered measured speech and meet him in the parking lot where his trunk would open and syringes, vials and pills were passed after getting a handful of cash.  It was known that he could also obtain any recreational drug. too.  He also pushed veterinarian steroids like Winstrol V and Equipose that worked miracles on guys.

What I have seen are guys that got very aggressive, confident and a feeling of well being while on. Guys back then took breaks on cycles often staying completely clean for months. What happened once the drugs left their system is they got nervous, timid and depressed as the drugs left their system.  Sounds like a plan for addiction.

Through the years I have seen ex users that look like they never did a push up in their life but are quick to take out a crumbled up picture of their glory days out of their wallet to show everyone.   How many super stars look like complete crap without the assist?  Too many to mention.  Many will use the rationalization of a guy they know that has been cycling for decades and now never go completely off. It's like saying you know a smoker that started as a teen and is now 80.  Yes, that can happen percentage wise but it doesn't negate the risk to health.  I won't even mention liver, kidney, endocrine and cardio vascular problems. A fool can rationalize that away. You should always put the risk factors you can control in your favor.

Bodybuilding could have been the greatest thing you could do for appearance, health, well being and strength.  Instead it became the sport based on drugs for the insecure. Without drugs the sport wouldn't exist as we know it. No one would be flying to Vegas for the Olympia weekend.  Having said that I wish bodybuilding would revert to what it was in the 50's. It was real. Do yourself a favor. Lift hard and do hard cardio. Eat right. You will look great but you wouldn't be able to stand next to a steroid user on stage.

              a lot of good points, but without drugs competitive bodybuilding would probably no longer exist. the people want to see the freaks.

[Primemuscle]

I've been around bodybuilding for over 50 years. Weider use to be located blocks from my childhood house. He use to give me free magazines that started this obsession. I started lifting in my early teens and in my sixties the madness continues.  I remember in the late 70's and early 80's when the secret of steroids were completely out of hiding. Seen guys lifting for an entire year look like nothing special then go on on a cycle for 6 week putting on an amazing amount of muscle.  Back then steroids were made by legit pharmaceutical companies in the US and were obtained by a doctor script or driving to a pharmacy in Mexico without one. The gym steroid pushers had legitimate stuff back then. Now from what I hear drugs work or they don't according to where it was counterfeited.  I don't believe any legit anavar, dianabol or Anadrol 50 exists anymore. Drugs that were truly anabolic steroids that have high anabolic properties and lower androgen properties I bet don't exist anymore. One Anadrol 50 a day made amazing and quick changes back in the day. Now I hear guys are taking 5 or 6 and look like bloated shit. It was the same old story repeated time and time again with drugs. A zero went to a hero in nothing flat popping some pills and a weekly syringe shot. 

The crazy part are these "heroes"  actually think they know something about lifting when I knew how they looked before the assist.  Why didn't they give lifting and diet advice before the drugs? I will answer. No one would listen to them.  It got to the point in the late 70's and into the 80's that it almost seemed the whole gym was juicing.  Every gym seemed to have the local drug pusher. The typical stereotype was a guy in the gym that didn't have a job but drove there in a brand new car.  Guys would talk to him in whispered measured speech and meet him in the parking lot where his trunk would open and syringes, vials and pills were passed after getting a handful of cash.  It was known that he could also obtain any recreational drug. too.  He also pushed veterinarian steroids like Winstrol V and Equipose that worked miracles on guys.

What I have seen are guys that got very aggressive, confident and a feeling of well being while on. Guys back then took breaks on cycles often staying completely clean for months. What happened once the drugs left their system is they got nervous, timid and depressed as the drugs left their system.  Sounds like a plan for addiction.

Through the years I have seen ex users that look like they never did a push up in their life but are quick to take out a crumbled up picture of their glory days out of their wallet to show everyone.   How many super stars look like complete crap without the assist?  Too many to mention.  Many will use the rationalization of a guy they know that has been cycling for decades and now never go completely off. It's like saying you know a smoker that started as a teen and is now 80.  Yes, that can happen percentage wise but it doesn't negate the risk to health.  I won't even mention liver, kidney, endocrine and cardio vascular problems. A fool can rationalize that away. You should always put the risk factors you can control in your favor.

Bodybuilding could have been the greatest thing you could do for appearance, health, well being and strength.  Instead it became the sport based on drugs for the insecure. Without drugs the sport wouldn't exist as we know it. No one would be flying to Vegas for the Olympia weekend.  Having said that I wish bodybuilding would revert to what it was in the 50's. It was real. Do yourself a favor. Lift hard and do hard cardio. Eat right. You will look great but you wouldn't be able to stand next to a steroid user on stage.

Ever go to one of your high school reunions, maybe the 10th or the 20th? A lot, if not most of the so-called "jocks" got fat and sloppy looking.

Some folks argue that bodybuilders aren't really athletes. But drugs or no drugs, I think it is an athletic endeavor. Those who stick with it, usually look pretty good as they get older. Those who give it up either physically return to their genetically predisposed physique or they get fat just like some old footballers do.

Today, there are performance enhancing drugs being used by some folks in all sports. I'm not sure it is fair to say that bodybuilding is that different from other sports with respect to this type of drug use.

[Humble Narcissist]

I am addicted to jerking off. when i wake up i have to take things in hand.

Pussy is the most addicting thing on the planet.

To get addicted to drugs or alcohol you have to use the substances many times.  You are addicted to pussy at puberty, having never had it.

If you quit drugs and alcohol, the longer you go without it the easier it is.  If you quit pussy, the addiction gets worse the longer you go without it.

[Johnholmes]

Pussy is the most addicting thing on the planet.

To get addicted to drugs or alcohol you have to use the substances many times.  You are addicted to pussy at puberty, having never had it.

If you quit drugs and alcohol, the longer you go without it the easier it is.  If you quit pussy, the addiction gets worse the longer you go without it.

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it´s more a case of use it or lose it. your cock needs to exercise too.

[ThisisOverload]

You "oldtimers" just won't get it into your retarded brains that there has never in the history of the world been as many legitimate anabolic steroids available, as easily. Nothing I say will change your mind, but you're the fool. You as an American can get an online prescription this second for any oral you want, any injectable, from a compounding pharmacy. You have UG labs pumping out high dosed gear by the ton out the ass. Never has there been as many drugs, no oldtimer in the scene would go back in time wrt drug availability. You couldn't get GH, tren was hard to get. No MENT etc. Steroids are dirt cheap. You can get any type of drug, back in the day you bought whatever your gym dealer had on hand, now it's anything and everything you could think of.

Then you go on complaining how it's "all drugs". How can it be all drugs if drugs aren't available? WTF!

Go on fucking Instagram and tell me real drugs aren't available. Imbeciles. The physiques are insane, powerlifting records are insane, records fall every day that were thought impossible just a short while ago. Why? Real drugs. Like a top powerlifter says, anyone can put together an elite total now if he is willing to pump a lot of tren.

 

It's funny how people who know nothing about AAS always say such silly things.

The drugs of today are way better and easier to obtain than any other time in history.

Hell, i have a list of about 200 compounds i can order at any time and they were made legitimately.

Don't ruin it for them, they want to believe what they wish.

The fact that people think all AAS are made in some hillbillies bathtub always cracks me up.

I think oldtimer means well, but he is just extremely uninformed on the subject.

[ThisisOverload]

Anytime competition is involved people tend to go too far to win.

That's human nature. We have been cheating since the first days of competition.

Some people are just willing to go further, like Lance Armstrong.

If you are competing in an "open" event, taking AAS is not illegal. Maybe immoral, but we are way beyond that anyway.

I do not like people who compete in drug free events by taking special chemicals, but it's not going to stop them.

All sports have people who cheat the system, F1, baseball, NASCAR, NHRA, football, soccer, swimming, bicycling, etc.

It's an unfortunate part of human competition. People will do anything to win, especially when money is involved.

[ThisisOverload]

Oregon decriminalized everything use/possession wise statewide. Granted the Federal laws are still there, but for small time users, I doubt it's a big worry.

It's just like weed in a lot of states now. Unless you are selling it across state lines, you have zero issue with Federal law.

There are "health" clinics that you can get just about anything, but it's expensive.

[Hypertrophy]

Ever go to one of your high school reunions, maybe the 10th or the 20th? A lot, if not most of the so-called "jocks" got fat and sloppy looking.

Wow- ain't that the truth. My high school class has pics of the various reunions on Facebook and one thing stands out- the 10 year reunion people all looked pretty decent - still fairly in shape and lean, but at 20? Boom, like someone got hit with the fat stick, lol. The guys that were the top athletes in high school look worse than the your average sedentary slob. Literally 50+ pounds overweight. The women followed the same pattern- most of the hotties are now fat slobs.


I'd say less than 10% of the people I graduated with now look fit. It's appalling.

[Soul Crusher]

You never dabbled? What about TRT? I always just assumed you'd be on self-administered TRT doses or something like that due to your build. Decent size.

Never dude.   Ever.   Totally honest assessment - I was working a heavy construction job abs lifting during my peak years and got the most out my genetics possible. 

I’m 45 now and same size I was at 20 muscle wise.  I got fat strong in early thirties - but after dieting down - still in same range. 

Just never felt the desire to do it.    I competed 5 times totally clean.  Was ok w that.  Now just different focus.   

I love working out and training.   It’s mental and physical.    Been working  out since 14 yo.   Just really enjoy it as a hobby.   It’s not a vanity thing like oh take roids to get girls or take roids to go in a show.   

Training is my main hobby interest so no feeling need to take a short cut to nowhere.    The daily training is the joy. 

[El Diablo Blanco]

Yes, real anabolics work amazing and fast. I have seen amazing transformations in under two months. Anyone that has been around the game long enough knows I speak the truth. Right now it's a crap shoot what counterfeit guys are buying. The saying all drugs has a lot of truth. 

Creatine?  A lot of water retention.  No I don't believe you put on 12lbs of muscle in two weeks with creatine.

Do I support natural bodybuilding? I have strong suspicions about some of the competitors. I support a natural bodybuilding life style in the gym. If someone wants to pose to music while oiled up in their g string for cheering men then more power to them. Of course I'm in awe of someone with a great natural physique. Even the drug users are amazing but I don't forget for one second what I'm looking at. That is a temporary incredible physique that will look like a shell of itself just three months off of the drugs. Personally I don't even call myself a bodybuilder. I just train hard for fitness. That's my path. It doesn't have to be yours.

In the end what anyone does is their decision in life. I don't have to agree with it. I do understand that those that live the bodybuilding drug life to get compliments to prop up their little boy ego from the clueless are hurt by what I wrote. It's their identity.  You don't challenge a man's identity without getting challenged.

Real anabolic but also response. I knew these four Arabs who came to the same gym years ago. All skinny twats.  They all jumped on the same cycle. Same roids and same workouts.  A couple grew a bit. One guy just blew the fuck up and his buddy wasn’t too far behind.  You can tell how important the response to these drugs are.  More important than the drugs themselves.

[MCWAY]

More of the "Jetman" at the 2020 AAU Masters Universe:

[Tapeworm]

Well traveled ground being covered yet again.

Another perspective: There are plenty of holes in vanity training. Bodybuilding oriented training leaves a lot to be desired in terms of athletic function, injury prevention, and health benefits.

But a waste of time? As opposed to doing nothing at all? No. If the demands of vanity get you off your ass, that's great. That's what 95% of people in the gym are doing there. They wouldn't call themselves bodybuilders, because that connotes drugged physiques, but physique enhancement is their only goal. I applaud them for not being at peace with turning into a damn slob.

[Van_Bilderass]

A lot of oldtimers are pissed that drugs have become so prevalent in society. When I started training I started at a "natural" gym that had occasional unannounced drug testing due to being a gym that housed IPF lifters. The 65 year old owner looked at us kids with a microscope for signs of steroid use LOL. But all these gyms "fell" because society decided it wants its drugs. I still see this old generation on social media decrying the state of things, still warning the youngsters of drugs. They have somewhat of a point wrt the real dangers that reckless drug use posseses. But at the same time they know enhanced old drug users can look so great and can cheat normal aging biology, the naturals just can't keep up, and it pisses them off.

The super-physiological human is here, there are drugs to enhance humans on every level, even cognitively and things are advancing fast. PEDs, including steroids, will allow people to live active lives longer while looking better. All sorts of strategies are being put in place to avoid the pitfalls of drugs, lots of different bloodwork and drugs that protect the health of users are being implemented. There will never be less drugs or more "natural" living, which the oldtimers have to come to grips with, it's just how things will be. Why have sagging skin, deteriorating joints and muscles when you don't have to thanks to science?

Here in Sweden cops are still attempt to fight evolution and PED use but it will be useless, HRT clinics are starting to pop up, following the trends in the US.

[homebodybuilding]

A lot of oldtimers are pissed that drugs have become so prevalent in society. When I started training I started at a "natural" gym that had occasional unannounced drug testing due to being a gym that housed IPF lifters. The 65 year old owner looked at us kids with a microscope for signs of steroid use LOL. But all these gyms "fell" because society decided it wants its drugs. I still see this old generation on social media decrying the state of things, still warning the youngsters of drugs. They have somewhat of a point wrt the real dangers that reckless drug use posseses. But at the same time they know enhanced old drug users can look so great and can cheat normal aging biology, the naturals just can't keep up, and it pisses them off.

The super-physiological human is here, there are drugs to enhance humans on every level, even cognitively and things are advancing fast. PEDs, including steroids, will allow people to live active lives longer while looking better. All sorts of strategies are being put in place to avoid the pitfalls of drugs, lots of different bloodwork and drugs that protect the health of users are being implemented. There will never be less drugs or more "natural" living, which the oldtimers have to come to grips with, it's just how things will be. Why have sagging skin, deteriorating joints and muscles when you don't have to thanks to science?

Here in Sweden cops are still attempt to fight evolution and PED use but it will be useless, HRT clinics are starting to pop up, following the trends in the US.

Good post ! this is the truth.

[YngiweRhoads]

Natural bodybuilding is the fountain of youth. Most definitely not a waste.

[Marty Champions]

Some good about bb
 
Hower 95 percent of lifting is not constructive waste of time , only good for blood flow but no gains in power

[Tapeworm]

Natural bodybuilding is the fountain of youth. Most definitely not a waste.

That and keeping the same hairline you had 30 years ago.

Fucker.

[YngiweRhoads]

That and keeping the same hairline you had 30 years ago.

Fucker.

Haha...exactly!

[Dokey111]

I'm 61 years old and look like I've never touched a weight in my life despite 35+ years of constant training  but I do have extraordinarily great hair