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Re: Is bodybuilding a waste?
« Reply #75 on: March 20, 2021, 06:04:27 AM »
Bodybuilding is a great endeavor. You can do it for 50 years or more and look and feel better than 99.9% of your peers. The benefits of consistent training and dieting should be well-known to those on this board. Whether you chose to enhance your training with hormones is up to you but the benefits are great and should be considered in the same way as you would taking any supplement or medication. There are benefits and drawbacks. And for literally millions of people, in all walks of life, the benefits of hormone therapy far outweigh the drawbacks. If you want to learn more there are plenty of legitimate medical doctors on YouTube and elsewhere that can start you out on the path of knowledge in this regard. Setting aside all of the celebrity examples in movies and sports I personally know tons of very successful people who have been using hormones for decades with no ill-effects

The OP, and his ilk, remind me of the hysterical anti-marijuana crowd from back in the day. They use ancedotal evidence to support their position and condemn anyone who dares suggest that marijuana may be no worse than alcohol, which they usually consume freely, and may actually be a much better mind-altering alternative than booze (I consume neither but don’t have any feelings towards anyone who does so responsibly). The choice isn’t just between recklessly consuming “the roids” in a dirty gym locker room or doing nothing at all, there is also a choice to use hormones responsibly, similar in some ways to how one would use marijuana for medicinal purposes. Young teenage girls are put on hormones for birth control purposes. Are there possible adverse effects? Perhaps; but millions chose to use them anyway because society has essentially decided that the good outweighs the bad. The stories of hormone abuse that you hear about are just like the stories we heard about for years about how marijuana use would destroy your life. Of course, these stories would be interrupted by commercials for cigarettes and alcohol, which was just fine and even considered good for you, in the case of cigarettes, at one point.

So definitely bodybuild. You’ll feel great. And if you want to look and feel even better add some hormones if you so chose. Exercise your free will while you still have some. The look and feel you want is not unattainable at virtually any age. Get good doctors to monitor you, just like you would if you were taking any medication, follow a good diet, and avoid extreme behaviors; you’ll be happy you did. 

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Re: Is bodybuilding a waste?
« Reply #76 on: March 20, 2021, 06:11:29 AM »
I'm 61 years old and look like I've never touched a weight in my life despite 35+ years of constant training  :'( but I do have extraordinarily great hair  ;D

Another myth. Hairline and growth is almost all due to genetic disposition. Yes, there are some harsh compounds that can mess with your hair but that is only temporary in most cases and if you value your hair then you would stop taking those compounds. On the other hand, if you have good hair genetics, like Lou Ferrigno for example, there’s almost nothing you can take that will wreck it. Trust me on this one. The guys who complain that they lost their hair because they took some test and Deca are delusional. That hair was going if the only thing they consumed was protein powder.

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Re: Is bodybuilding a waste?
« Reply #77 on: March 20, 2021, 06:17:06 AM »
Another myth. Hairline and growth is almost all due to genetic disposition. Yes, there are some harsh compounds that can mess with your hair but that is only temporary in most cases and if you value your hair then you would stop taking those compounds. On the other hand, if you have good hair genetics, like Lou Ferrigno for example, there’s almost nothing you can take that will wreck it. Trust me on this one. The guys who complain that they lost their hair because they took some test and Deca are delusional. That hair was going if the only thing they consumed was protein powder.

Good hair genetics I got.  If I were smart, I'd do like the rest of the shitheads do and promote some new wonder supplement that will improve your hair.  "Just look at me!"

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Re: Is bodybuilding a waste?
« Reply #78 on: March 20, 2021, 07:18:53 AM »
Look, natural or enhanced, its all false, your body eats away at your tissue to get you to what is normal for a human being, by lifting weights you are going against your natural state, eventually it all goes , and then you die, so who fucking cares how you do it?

Yes but if you use steroids you're cheating. I know this because steroids are against the law. That's why I'll only use legal supplements like protein, creatine and pro hormones.

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Re: Is bodybuilding a waste?
« Reply #79 on: March 20, 2021, 08:09:16 AM »
Yes but if you use steroids you're cheating. I know this because steroids are against the law. That's why I'll only use legal supplements like protein, creatine and pro hormones.

man what a cry baby  :D

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Re: Is bodybuilding a waste?
« Reply #80 on: March 20, 2021, 08:19:07 AM »
man what a cry baby  :D
I think he’s being sarcastic m8

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Re: Is bodybuilding a waste?
« Reply #81 on: March 20, 2021, 08:34:22 AM »

Wow- ain't that the truth. My high school class has pics of the various reunions on Facebook and one thing stands out- the 10 year reunion people all looked pretty decent - still fairly in shape and lean, but at 20? Boom, like someone got hit with the fat stick, lol. The guys that were the top athletes in high school look worse than the your average sedentary slob. Literally 50+ pounds overweight. The women followed the same pattern- most of the hotties are now fat slobs.


I'd say less than 10% of the people I graduated with now look fit. It's appalling.

This is the only real reason I go on FaceBook - to laugh at all the fatties  ;D



I think he’s being sarcastic m8

This.  Dave D is a master of the subtle 'feint' to draw people into a response  ;D
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Re: Is bodybuilding a waste?
« Reply #82 on: March 20, 2021, 08:39:34 AM »
Yes but if you use steroids you're cheating. I know this because steroids are against the law. That's why I'll only use legal supplements like protein, creatine and pro hormones.

Taking an ace from the bottom of the deck playing cards with your wife is cheating but its not against the law...

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Re: Is bodybuilding a waste?
« Reply #83 on: March 20, 2021, 08:51:09 AM »
Whether I was on or off gear I always trained as heavy and as fast as possible and always looked in shape............I loved to train hard and push myself at all times.

Never relied solely on gear.

If I was off completely for a lengthly period of time,I lost a bit of power and a bit of hardness but not really all that much......the proper diet gives you a low bodyfat %.

I never was a good responder so never got huge........... and I never took huge amounts for long periods of time.

When I had no contest in sight,I sometimes came off completely or was on tiny dosages,and still looked OK.

The only time I took large amounts was before a contest and only for a short time period during my prep..............I would build up to the larger dose then taper back....... down at the end of my cycle or during the middle of it.

I never relied on the juice but I liked the look,strength,and feeling it gave me,and I never had any problems with my internal organs from using it.

If used along with using your brain,there should be no adverse affects.

A lot of guys are scared to take gear and others do not want to break the law..................... .all good.

Do whatever you choose to do,but training and eating right is never a waste of time whether enhanced or not.

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Re: Is bodybuilding a waste?
« Reply #84 on: March 20, 2021, 09:02:39 AM »
Taking an ace from the bottom of the deck playing cards with your wife is cheating but its not against the law...

Im on 17 different LEGALLY PRESCRIBED medications. I dont need illegal steroids that are bad for me. I plan on living for a long time because of my healthy lifestyle.

Also I dont "cheat" at games, on my taxes, on the speed limit, at work or anything else for that matter. If theres a law its obeyed. These rules are for everyone's safety. If you have to cheat to win you're really a loser.

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Re: Is bodybuilding a waste?
« Reply #85 on: March 20, 2021, 09:17:43 AM »
Im on 17 different LEGALLY PRESCRIBED medications. I dont need illegal steroids that are bad for me. I plan on living for a long time because of my healthy lifestyle.

Also I dont "cheat" at games, on my taxes, on the speed limit, at work or anything else for that matter. If theres a law its obeyed. These rules are for everyone's safety. If you have to cheat to win you're really a loser.

you have never done 31 in a 30?

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« Reply #86 on: March 20, 2021, 09:27:28 AM »
I've been around bodybuilding for over 50 years. Weider use to be located blocks from my childhood house. He use to give me free magazines that started this obsession. I started lifting in my early teens and in my sixties the madness continues.  I remember in the late 70's and early 80's when the secret of steroids were completely out of hiding. Seen guys lifting for an entire year look like nothing special then go on on a cycle for 6 week putting on an amazing amount of muscle.  Back then steroids were made by legit pharmaceutical companies in the US and were obtained by a doctor script or driving to a pharmacy in Mexico without one. The gym steroid pushers had legitimate stuff back then. Now from what I hear drugs work or they don't according to where it was counterfeited.  I don't believe any legit anavar, dianabol or Anadrol 50 exists anymore. Drugs that were truly anabolic steroids that have high anabolic properties and lower androgen properties I bet don't exist anymore. One Anadrol 50 a day made amazing and quick changes back in the day. Now I hear guys are taking 5 or 6 and look like bloated shit. It was the same old story repeated time and time again with drugs. A zero went to a hero in nothing flat popping some pills and a weekly syringe shot. 

The crazy part are these "heroes"  actually think they know something about lifting when I knew how they looked before the assist.  Why didn't they give lifting and diet advice before the drugs? I will answer. No one would listen to them.  It got to the point in the late 70's and into the 80's that it almost seemed the whole gym was juicing.  Every gym seemed to have the local drug pusher. The typical stereotype was a guy in the gym that didn't have a job but drove there in a brand new car.  Guys would talk to him in whispered measured speech and meet him in the parking lot where his trunk would open and syringes, vials and pills were passed after getting a handful of cash.  It was known that he could also obtain any recreational drug. too.  He also pushed veterinarian steroids like Winstrol V and Equipose that worked miracles on guys.

What I have seen are guys that got very aggressive, confident and a feeling of well being while on. Guys back then took breaks on cycles often staying completely clean for months. What happened once the drugs left their system is they got nervous, timid and depressed as the drugs left their system.  Sounds like a plan for addiction.

Through the years I have seen ex users that look like they never did a push up in their life but are quick to take out a crumbled up picture of their glory days out of their wallet to show everyone.   How many super stars look like complete crap without the assist?  Too many to mention.  Many will use the rationalization of a guy they know that has been cycling for decades and now never go completely off. It's like saying you know a smoker that started as a teen and is now 80.  Yes, that can happen percentage wise but it doesn't negate the risk to health.  I won't even mention liver, kidney, endocrine and cardio vascular problems. A fool can rationalize that away. You should always put the risk factors you can control in your favor.

Bodybuilding could have been the greatest thing you could do for appearance, health, well being and strength.  Instead it became the sport based on drugs for the insecure. Without drugs the sport wouldn't exist as we know it. No one would be flying to Vegas for the Olympia weekend.  Having said that I wish bodybuilding would revert to what it was in the 50's. It was real. Do yourself a favor. Lift hard and do hard cardio. Eat right. You will look great but you wouldn't be able to stand next to a steroid user on stage.
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Re: Is bodybuilding a waste?
« Reply #87 on: March 20, 2021, 09:44:22 AM »
I touched a nerve?
You did, you insulted the greatest sport in the world (and I'm natty)

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« Reply #88 on: March 20, 2021, 10:00:50 AM »
Natural training is one of the best things you can do for yourself.  We are all addicted to the iron for life and I don't see that as a bad thing.  The fact that we have to temper our expectations sucks but on the positive side training to our genetic limitation isn't very hard to do.  After you hit your peak, just maintain.  Never compete as a natural because you lose all your muscle to dieting.
The irony is that a natural bodybuilder can get to be 200 lbs+, have a six pack (which requires a low body fat level) and a bench of 500 lbs+ and and deadlift of 750 lbs if he has elite genetics, but it will take many years of smart training

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Re: Is bodybuilding a waste?
« Reply #89 on: March 20, 2021, 10:04:28 AM »
oldtimer1  is an old fuck who admits he is not a bodybuilder but on his training threads always talks about the amount of booze he drinks.  ::)
always rambles on about how much he drunk, how much he hates it but still drinks. Then complains he has trouble running. an alcoholic calling us drug users. gotta love getbig !

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« Reply #90 on: March 20, 2021, 10:08:22 AM »
60 minutes did a special on this guy who created a little motor no smaller than a D cell battery that fit into the support of the bike.  Gave the riders maybe 15 minutes of power, enough to help them excel in the mountains.  Funny enough, this is where Lance seemed to excel beyond the others. The creator without saying his name pretty much eluded that Lance paid him  a ton to keep this tech exclusive to him and his team.  They even showed how as soon as Lance finished a leg of the race, his bike was quickly taken and hidden so that no one could inspect it or find this device.

Lance cheated in a bunch of ways.
Lance is a pos

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Re: Is bodybuilding a waste?
« Reply #91 on: March 20, 2021, 10:14:04 AM »
300mg of test a week blows away the results from any shitty supplements at a fraction of a cost. Like jeffley said it’s all borrowed anyway gear or not it all goes away when you stop training so does it really matter if someone chooses to take gear or stay natural if what someone else does doesn't effect you it’s not worth giving a fuck about

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« Reply #92 on: March 20, 2021, 10:17:12 AM »
300mg of test a week blows away the results from any shitty supplements at a fraction of a cost. Like jeffley said it’s all borrowed anyway gear or not it all goes away when you stop training so does it really matter if someone chooses to take gear or stay natural if what someone else does doesn't effect you it’s not worth giving a fuck about
To make matters even worse, nothing matters in the end, because we all die in the end. Let that sink in

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Re: Is bodybuilding a waste?
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Re: Is bodybuilding a waste?
« Reply #94 on: March 20, 2021, 10:21:09 AM »
The irony is that a natural bodybuilder can get to be 200 lbs+, have a six pack (which requires a low body fat level) and a bench of 500 lbs+ and and deadlift of 750 lbs if he has elite genetics, but it will take many years of smart training

What do you mean?

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Re: Is bodybuilding a waste?
« Reply #95 on: March 20, 2021, 10:24:46 AM »
Ooops!  Yeah, I have no idea what dimension I was in when I wrote that!  ;D ;D
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Re: Is bodybuilding a waste?
« Reply #96 on: March 20, 2021, 10:28:01 AM »
What do you mean?
What I mean is there is this widespread believe that anyone with a bit of muscle is ''on something'' and a lot of times this is true! Even some slightly muscular male models are on something, so there is this widespread belief of ''anyone having over 15'' arms is on steroids'' the reality is that some men with really good genetics can build a lot of muscle and strength natty, but this requires years of smart training and elite genetics

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« Reply #97 on: March 20, 2021, 10:42:33 AM »

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« Reply #98 on: March 20, 2021, 10:58:37 AM »
Look, natural or enhanced, its all false, your body eats away at your tissue to get you to what is normal for a human being, by lifting weights you are going against your natural state, eventually it all goes , and then you die, so who fucking cares how you do it?
Many of us grew up watching the incredible and he-man, etc, so we grew up wanting to have that hulk/he-man body

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« Reply #99 on: March 20, 2021, 11:07:00 AM »

Wow- ain't that the truth. My high school class has pics of the various reunions on Facebook and one thing stands out- the 10 year reunion people all looked pretty decent - still fairly in shape and lean, but at 20? Boom, like someone got hit with the fat stick, lol. The guys that were the top athletes in high school look worse than the your average sedentary slob. Literally 50+ pounds overweight. The women followed the same pattern- most of the hotties are now fat slobs.


I'd say less than 10% of the people I graduated with now look fit. It's appalling.
To me that would not be appalling, I'd be happy about that, because it would make me feel good about myself