Is bodybuilding a waste?

[IroNat]

If we don't resolve it in 9 years pages I'll concede.

Btw, there are 13 year olds that juice because of easy access over the net today. Even gymbag parking lot pushers drew the line at kids back in good old days.

You've made some good points and I'm man enough to admit my inaccuracies.  Got caught up in the excitement of Getbig.

[pellius]

Barry Bonds. Roger Clemons. Lance Armstrong. These men aren’t considered champions but they are considered cheaters. Why because they broke rules.

When you drive drunk or high you’re an a$$hole because you’re putting other lives at risk due to your impaired cognitive abilities.

I’m glad you have prescribed medication for your low testosterone.

Um, they broke the rules within a specific sporting organization. A sporting organization can make any rules they want. In bbing, it is understood by everybody that you have to take PEDS to be competitive. No one considers Ramy a cheater because he won the O while using PEDS.

Steroids are not illegal. You said they were and you are wrong. Sure taking prescription medication without a script is against the law but no one considers it cheating. People buy insulin from Canada over the net every day. No one is going to jail for using a vial of Humalog.

I don't think you can speak for everyone regarding the championship status of Bond, Clemons, or Armstrong but I think that even if they could have foreseen into the future that they would have gotten caught and disgraced using PEDS they would have still done it. The quality of life they were and are able to afford while being professional athletes even though disgraced far surpassed what they would have achieved punching a clock and working a regular job.

[pellius]

the right genetics combined with proper training and nutrition it is possible to have enough muscle to compete in the Mr. O. See young Ronnie Coleman for an example. Winning the contest is subject to the judging criteria. A lot of juicers compete in the contest and don’t win.

I'm not quite sure what part of these two statements is the most stupid. Getting to the O natural or that Ronnie got to the O as a natural.

It is really breathtaking that at this point in time when bbing and sports, in general, have been exposed for the amount of PEDS used that there would still be a person this naive.

The last statement's stupidity is exceeded only by its hilarity and meaninglessness. Most juicers compete and don't win anything, as in every sport. So the point is?

How old are you, Dave?

[pellius]

Who cares about being Mr. O?

You'd have to take boatloads of drugs and carry little containers of food around with you all the time so you can eat 6 times a day, then get up at 2AM and eat more.

Nobody outside of schmoes and homosexuals gives a crap about it.

In the real world, thousands. Thousands of people all over the world have aspirations to become Mr. Olympia and will do just about anything and everything to achieve that goal. Now more than ever before.

I wouldn't do it and you wouldn't do it but the world isn't determined what we would or would not do. And you can say that about a ton of other sports. Do you really know what a gymnastic competitor has to go through to be successful in such an exceedingly short career with little financial return on her efforts? Or what an MMA fighter has to endure on a daily basis?

A normal, comfortable, everyday life is not for everybody. It is for most. Just not for everybody.

[pellius]

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The IFBB has testing for this kind of thing. You’d be surprised what 3 months of hardcore training would do for you.

I assume you speak from experience. Can you post a pic and surprise us at the level of development you have achieved as a natural?

[pellius]

Yes, Ronnie had "elite" African American warrior genetics.

As a kid when i lived in the hood, i saw guys like him walking around on a daily basis. Only doing a few pushups every few days and eating one meal of fried chicken with collard greens.

Lot's of haters in this thread. Just because you can't do, doesn't mean a truly gifted man with "elite" genetics can't.

This is the truth. Go to any inner-city neighbor and check out the basketball courts. Abs and traps flexing hard. All from KFC and running from the cops.

[pellius]

You've made some good points and I'm man enough to admit my inaccuracies.  Got caught up in the excitement of Getbig.

Getbig gets me excited, too. Especially reading some of Walter Sobcock's posts.

[Kwon]

[Johnholmes]

LOL....A ripped 120....I've seen lots of surfers and black guys who were ripped and didn't  even lift.

Edit :   Bigger& more ripped than you.

[oldtimer1]

Steroids without a prescription is a felony under Federal laws and many state laws. In NJ it's a felony.

Federally it's a  Schedule III controlled substances under the Controlled Substances Act, which makes the possession of such substances without a prescription a federal crime punishable by up to seven years in prison.

[Flexacon]

Im far more turned on by an ugly woman with a hot body like this, than a pretty woman with a hot body.

[ThisisOverload]

Pellius falling for Dave's satire, hook, line and sinker.

[MAXX]

Im far more turned on by an ugly woman with a hot body like this, than a pretty woman with a hot body.

probably because you think you have a bigger chance of bedding her due to the butterface.. so you get turned on by that.

[Primemuscle]

Steroids without a prescription is a felony under Federal laws and many state laws. In NJ it's a felony.

Federally it's a  Schedule III controlled substances under the Controlled Substances Act, which makes the possession of such substances without a prescription a federal crime punishable by up to seven years in prison.

Except here where in November 2020 Oregonians voted Measure 110, also known as the Drug Addiction Treatment and Recovery act into law by a majority of more than 58%, meaning personal, noncommercial possession of illegal drugs will be considered no more than a Class E violation, subject to a fine of no more than $100 or, under certain circumstances, completion of a health assessment. In addition to cocaine and heroin, the drugs include methamphetamine, oxycodone (without a prescription), opium, LSD, anabolic steroids, tranquilizers and peyote.

Guess this means a lot of juicing bodybuilders will be moving to Oregon. LOL!

[Hypertrophy]

Except here where in November 2020 Oregonians voted Measure 110, also known as the Drug Addiction Treatment and Recovery act into law by a majority of more than 58%, meaning personal, noncommercial possession of illegal drugs will be considered no more than a Class E violation, subject to a fine of no more than $100 or, under certain circumstances, completion of a health assessment. In addition to cocaine and heroin, the drugs include methamphetamine, oxycodone (without a prescription), opium, LSD, anabolic steroids, tranquilizers and peyote.

Guess this means a lot of juicing bodybuilders will be moving to Oregon. LOL!

You will still be open to federal charges.

[Soul Crusher]

Bodybuilding as a training method is great to build muscle the first 5 years or so.  After that - unless you are competing - to me at least - it’s boring and monotonous. 

Once you build a muscle base - it’s best to round out capabilities and be more complete.   

[Primemuscle]

You will still be open to federal charges.

Sure. But from what I've read, the feds aren't interested unless you are a dealer.

[ThisisOverload]

Sure. But from what I've read, the feds aren't interested unless you are a dealer.

The Feds only get involved if you are selling across state or international border.

Most states possession is a misdemeanor.

I know a few dozen people who have gotten caught with gear, it's not a big deal. They seize it and write you a ticket. If you have more than 5 vials they can decide to prosecute you for intent to distribute. The amount you have varies by state. The only guys i know who got arrested on site had 10+ vials and some tablets.

Steroids are like weed, most Cops aren't looking for the average user, but if they find it you might get a ticket or arrested, depends on the Cop. They are looking for the sources, which are typically handled by the Feds because all of them ship across state lines.

[Primemuscle]

The Feds only get involved if you are selling across state or international border.

Most states possession is a misdemeanor.

I know a few dozen people who have gotten caught with gear, it's not a big deal. They seize it and write you a ticket. If you have more than 5 vials they can decide to prosecute you for intent to distribute. The amount you have varies by state. The only guys i know who got arrested on site had 10+ vials and some tablets.

Steroids are like weed, most Cops aren't looking for the average user, but if they find it you might get a ticket or arrested, depends on the Cop. They are looking for the sources, which are typically handled by the Feds because all of them ship across state lines.

Not only that, but I've heard that many cops are juicers themselves. The ones that work out where I do, certainly look like they've enjoyed a little chemical assistance.

[AbrahamG]

Um, they broke the rules within a specific sporting organization. A sporting organization can make any rules they want. In bbing, it is understood by everybody that you have to take PEDS to be competitive. No one considers Ramy a cheater because he won the O while using PEDS.

Steroids are not illegal. You said they were and you are wrong. Sure taking prescription medication without a script is against the law but no one considers it cheating. People buy insulin from Canada over the net every day. No one is going to jail for using a vial of Humalog.

I don't think you can speak for everyone regarding the championship status of Bond, Clemons, or Armstrong but I think that even if they could have foreseen into the future that they would have gotten caught and disgraced using PEDS they would have still done it. The quality of life they were and are able to afford while being professional athletes even though disgraced far surpassed what they would have achieved punching a clock and working a regular job.

I don't like the fact that Bonds and Clemens have both been demonized on here say.  Neither one has ever been confirmed to have failed a drug test.  Same with Sammy Sosa.  Nor have they ever admitted to it.  I'm certain they've used them but could care less.  I hate how McGuire and A-Rod who have both either been popped or admitted to it are somehow baseball darlings again. 
Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Sammy Sosa should all be in the HOF.  I'd let Pete Rose in too but other than having his statue and memorabilia in Cooperstown, he should be banned for life from baseball.

[ThisisOverload]

Not only that, but I've heard that many cops are juicers themselves. The ones that work out where I do, certainly look like they've enjoyed a little chemical assistance.

I've seen a lot of jacked Cops over the years. There were 4 of them that trained at my old gym and they were obviously on gear.

Doesn't surprise me much. A lot of Cops don't follow the rules. I don't really have a problem with that, but if some jacked up Cop tried to give me a ticket for having a few vials on me, i'd say something.

[wes]

Steroids without a prescription is a felony under Federal laws and many state laws. In NJ it's a felony.

Federally it's a  Schedule III controlled substances under the Controlled Substances Act, which makes the possession of such substances without a prescription a federal crime punishable by up to seven years in prison.

The average gym rat wont get in too much trouble at all.

It`s the guys like a few I`ve known that literally had 3-4 Lawn/Leaf bags full all the time....24/7... that`ll get fucked.

[Flexacon]

probably because you think you have a bigger chance of bedding her due to the butterface.. so you get turned on by that.

It's actually probably more difficult bedding a butterface like her cos they are sick of men hitting it and never calling them again, so they constantly have a guard up.

I think I like butterfaces more cos they are easier to quit. When a woman is really attractive, has a hot body and likes me, I feel almost obliged to put her on lock and commit. That's pretty gay, so I must be subconsciously trying to avoid it.

[Dave D]

Um, they broke the rules within a specific sporting organization. A sporting organization can make any rules they want. In bbing, it is understood by everybody that you have to take PEDS to be competitive. No one considers Ramy a cheater because he won the O while using PEDS.

Steroids are not illegal. You said they were and you are wrong. Sure taking prescription medication without a script is against the law but no one considers it cheating. People buy insulin from Canada over the net every day. No one is going to jail for using a vial of Humalog.

    I don't think you can speak for everyone regarding the championship status of Bond, Clemons, or Armstrong but I think that even if they could have foreseen into the future that they would have gotten caught and disgraced using PEDS they would have still done it. The quality of life they were and are able to afford while being professional athletes even though disgraced far surpassed what they would have achieved punching a clock and working a regular job.

Let me point out ANABOLIC  Steroids are illegal without a prescription. You can go to jail for selling and purchasing anabolics without a prescription. Same as with OxyContin, Vicodin or other drugs in their class. If you possess insulin, Tylenol 3 or cortisone (a steroid) you won’t.

Likewise  Alcohol isn’t illegal. It is if you’re under the age of 21. It is illegal to use alcohol and drive.

 So you can use anabolic steroids under 1 condition, having a legal prescription. Possession or use of them without a prescription can result in jail time. Does it always? No. Just like someone who gets drunk at a restaurant and drives off but doesn’t get pulled over isn’t going to suffer legal ramifications. But anabolic steroids are illegal without a prescription, it’s foolish to say they aren’t.

As far as the IFBB, they can’t make an item that is against the law to posses (without meeting only one condition) legal to use. They can’t make their own laws that are opposed to the country that they operate in. So while other nations may not have made anabolic steroids illegal, in the US they are.
If states have different laws you are held to the laws of the state you’re in not the one you’re from.  When you’re in Hawaii you drive the Hawaiian speed limit not California’s. So if you’re using anabolic steroids without a prescription you using illegal substances.

And while you’re at it taking prescription medication without a script is seen as cheating in many professional (and collegiate) sports. See adderall as an example.


And you’re correct I can’t speak for everyone, especially in this country. The three men I referred to were elite athletes without steroids. For better or worse they chose to use them. I honestly don’t have a problem with what they did but because not everyone who they competed against used the same drugs people believe they created an unfair playing field (mind you no one ever says genetics are unfair or that they create a non level playing field).

But your point of the money they made because they used illegal compounds makes up for any disgrace they might have suffered is a double edged sword. We can easily take that logic a step further and say the Democrats and Biden might have done questionable acts to win the Presidency but who cares, he won. Having a win  at all costs mentally isn’t always in everyone’s best interest.

[Dave D]

I assume you speak from experience. Can you post a pic and surprise us at the level of development you have achieved as a natural?

You get worked up a lot here.

I’ve competed drug free in bodybuilding and strength events. Ive competed on a national level as a light heavy weight strongman. I’ve done well. Many have accused me of being on drugs and I took that as a compliment.

I’d like to think I would have been even better with drugs but I have no idea if that is really true. Life is the result of the choices we make and I have no regrets with mine.