Is bodybuilding a waste?

[Dave D]

You really don't make much sense. Any physique is temporary.

You don't have to be natural to have s successful life.  Many who live on the straight and narrow throw away their lives. Maybe for a woman. Many too risk averse. Maybe just lazy. You can have a successful life and also be a hardcore juicer. You can have a successful life because you are a hardcore juicer.

You need to be far less concern what others are doing and just worry more about yourself.

Solid advice.

Tell us about your successes because of the risks you took.

[pellius]

Steroids used in athletic events, even bodybuilding, is cheating.

Win at all costs pellius win at all costs.

Cool!

As I pointed out. If you use steriods in a sport that forbids them that is cheating. It is important to note the rules in sports are completely arbitrary. They can ban you from using chewing gum in competition or for wearing a shirt.

This is quite different than doing something that is against the law.

[Dave D]

As I pointed out. If you use steriods in a sport that forbids them that is cheating. It is important to note the rules in sports are completely arbitrary. They can ban you from using chewing gum in competition or for wearing a shirt.

This is quite different than doing something that is against the law.

Very true.

In the what sports is using illegal substances allowed? Or even what competition openly, via their rule book, allows steroid use. Obviously steroid use is rampant (and needed to compete) in professional bodybuilding. But does the “rule book” specifically condone the use of steroids?

If a competitor was using an illegal substance like cocaine, which there is no legal medical use (that I’m aware of), and was caught can the rules state it is permissible to use that substance, does there need to be a rule that says an illegal substance is banned for competition?

[OlympiaGym]

Jesus Christ end this fucking thread everyone knows oldtimer wishes he went on gear but was afraid to.........there I said it.

I always liked Rich aka oldtimer and still do, but he was too scared to get on the gear so now he hates everyone who has..................... ..can you say bitter?

This.

The guy has spent 50 years of his life obsessing about bodybuilding and working out and not once in those 50 years has anyone mistaken him for a bodybuilder. It’s obviously created a bitterness that won’t go away. There are a lot of Getbiggers in the same predicament. How else can you explain why there’s so much hate towards bodybuilding in a bodybuilding forum.

[wes]

This.

The guy has spent 50 years of his life obsessing about bodybuilding and working out and not once in those 50 years has anyone mistaken him for a bodybuilder. It’s obviously created a bitterness that won’t go away. There are a lot of Getbiggers in the same predicament. How else can you explain why there’s so much hate towards bodybuilding in a bodybuilding forum.

BINGO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111

[FitnessFrenzy]

Like other things in life, bodybuilding and fitness is good for a balanced life. Obsessing over only thing in life (work, fitness, money etc) is not a good solution for most people.

[Kwon]

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    What does this even mean ?

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      the essence of bodybuilding   

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[King Shizzo]

Define "bodybuilding".

[Primemuscle]

Very true.

In the what sports is using illegal substances allowed? Or even what competition openly, via their rule book, allows steroid use. Obviously steroid use is rampant (and needed to compete) in professional bodybuilding. But does the “rule book” specifically condone the use of steroids?

If a competitor was using an illegal substance like cocaine, which there is no legal medical use (that I’m aware of), and was caught can the rules state it is permissible to use that substance, does there need to be a rule that says an illegal substance is banned for competition?

On problem with rules banning steroid use in bodybuilding competitions is that a competitor's system can be cleared of all steroids when they are tested and still have used them to get into contest condition, meaning the rule cannot be successfully enforced.

[Primemuscle]

Define "bodybuilding".

It is a sport involving strenuous physical exercise in order to strengthen and enlarge the muscles of the body.

That photo of me is showing it's age. The kitchen has been completely remodeled and looks nothing like the room in the photo. Today, if I were sitting where I am sitting in the photo, I'd be looking at the door to the walk in pantry. Oh, and I was bigger, better looking and younger in that photo than I am today. 

[Dave D]

On problem with rules banning steroid use in bodybuilding competitions is that a competitor's system can be cleared of all steroids when they are tested and still have used them to get into contest condition, meaning the rule cannot be successfully enforced.

This would be the case for every sport prime.

They would still be illegal to use.

[Primemuscle]

This would be the case for every sport prime.

They would still be illegal to use.

Okay. In most situations, they are currently illegal.

The point was, when there is no accurate way to test for them, how can you insure someone hasn't used them? Performance enhancing drugs are more likely to be in someone's system during a competition, such as is the case with competitors in Olympic sports and professional sports so testing actually serves a purpose.

The problem with steroid use and bodybuilding competitions is that knowing who has used isn't possible. One can guess that they have because of their condition and size, but guessing doesn't prove anything. Anyone can say they never used ABS and it can be total BS.

[Dave D]

Okay. In most situations, they are currently illegal.

The point was, when there is no accurate way to test for them, how can you insure someone hasn't used them? Performance enhancing drugs are more likely to be in someone's system during a competition, such as is the case with competitors in Olympic sports and professional sports so testing actually serves a purpose.

The problem with steroid use and bodybuilding competitions is that knowing who has used isn't possible. One can guess that they have because of their condition and size, but guessing doesn't prove anything. Anyone can say they never used ABS and it can be total BS.

In most situations steroids are illegal, theres only one situation where their use isnt illegal and that's with a medical prescription and that doesn't mean the sporting organization will allow it.

Again this is true for every sport.

But we trust Olympic testing.

[Primemuscle]

In most situations steroids are illegal, theres only one situation where their use isnt illegal and that's with a medical prescription and that doesn't mean the sporting organization will allow it.

Again this is true for every sport.

But we trust Olympic testing.

-Not disagreeing with you on this with the exception of saying we trust Olympic testing because one can still have used steroids and not test positive for them because they are no longer in their body.  I guess I don't understand your point.

[Dave D]

-Not disagreeing with you on this with the exception of saying we trust Olympic testing because one can still have used steroids and not test positive for them because they are no longer in their body.  I guess I don't understand your point.

My point is steroids are illegal. What is yours?

[Primemuscle]

My point is steroids are illegal. What is yours?

It is not always possible to prove when a person has used steroids.

[pellius]

Solid advice.

Tell us about your successes because of the risks you took.

Why? I have never portrayed myself as a towering success. In fact, I've often expressed the opposite and admitted I would have done things differently if I could do it again. I was out on my own since 18 years old and worked and paid way through college, it took almost 8 years but I did it. I was able to get a good job and a comfortable retirement working for the DOD with the various Aerospace companies (Hughes, Rockwell, CSC, Raytheon) but I feel I wasted valuable years being so obsessed with competing in Jiu-Jitsu and MMA at a time when no money was to be made. I believed in the "follow your heart" "follow your dreams" bull shit. I should have spent that time going to Law School and also get serious about investing and making money. I had a decent salary, my needs were low, I gave very little thought to the future and my retirement.

OK, got it. I seemed to have hurt your feelings somewhere in this thread. Come on, get a pair and act like a man. If you can't take someone disagreeing with you, you are on the wrong board. If you are going to make some claim about how one can transform their physique you better be able to prove it. I'm sure you were great back in the day and you could be great if you wanted to, but the fact is, you are like most of here. Not very impressive. Now you could easily prove me wrong. But you can't. That's why you are mad at me.

[pellius]

Very true.

In the what sports is using illegal substances allowed? Or even what competition openly, via their rule book, allows steroid use. Obviously steroid use is rampant (and needed to compete) in professional bodybuilding. But does the “rule book” specifically condone the use of steroids?

If a competitor was using an illegal substance like cocaine, which there is no legal medical use (that I’m aware of), and was caught can the rules state it is permissible to use that substance, does there need to be a rule that says an illegal substance is banned for competition?

Jeeze. Again is there a point to this? You are stating what should be obvious. I made clear that the rules in sports are completely arbitrary. A football field can be 70 or 200 yards. A boxing round can be 2 minutes or no time limits. You have to dress how they say you should be dressed. They decide what you are allowed to consume or not consume. But isn't obvious that if the law of the land makes a certain behavior in a certain context illegal then it is illegal it everywhere?

[IroNat]

[tom joad]

croatch on

[Dave D]

Why? I have never portrayed myself as a towering success. In fact, I've often expressed the opposite and admitted I would have done things differently if I could do it again. I was out on my own since 18 years old and worked and paid way through college, it took almost 8 years but I did it. I was able to get a good job and a comfortable retirement working for the DOD with the various Aerospace companies (Hughes, Rockwell, CSC, Raytheon) but I feel I wasted valuable years being so obsessed with competing in Jiu-Jitsu and MMA at a time when no money was to be made. I believed in the "follow your heart" "follow your dreams" bull shit. I should have spent that time going to Law School and also get serious about investing and making money. I had a decent salary, my needs were low, I gave very little thought to the future and my retirement.

OK, got it. I seemed to have hurt your feelings somewhere in this thread. Come on, get a pair and act like a man. If you can't take someone disagreeing with you, you are on the wrong board. If you are going to make some claim about how one can transform their physique you better be able to prove it. I'm sure you were great back in the day and you could be great if you wanted to, but the fact is, you are like most of here. Not very impressive. Now you could easily prove me wrong. But you can't. That's why you are mad at me.

My feelings are as hurt as much as you are worked up. I’m not mad at you. I’ve meet people from the board, I don’t care if people believe what I say. My “claims” aren’t anything outrageous.

I appreciate what you bring to the board. Some of your posts you come across as angry (and I know I come across as a clown), but in the videos you’ve shared you’re anything but. Words on screen can be difficult to interpret.

That said you are obviously an intelligent man with strong opinions that you generally defend with well thought out arguments. Keep doing you, you make the board better.

[pellius]

My feelings are as hurt as much as you are worked up. I’m not mad at you. I’ve meet people from the board, I don’t care if people believe what I say. My “claims” aren’t anything outrageous.

I appreciate what you bring to the board. Some of your posts you come across as angry (and I know I come across as a clown), but in the videos you’ve shared you’re anything but. Words on screen can be difficult to interpret.

That said you are obviously an intelligent man with strong opinions that you generally defend with well thought out arguments. Keep doing you, you make the board better.

Fair enough. Someone said I was being trolled by you and I wasn't sure what that meant.

Anyway, carry on. Lets pick on Oldtimer. He's the one I don't get. Well, in a way I do  now that Tim has explained it. Failing at something you've devoted so much time and effort to can be devastating.

When I think of how much time and effort I've spent just with formal weight training alone (almost 50 years) and the amount of success I've had and how it has enhanced my life it is hard to justify. Don't get me wrong, I believe a person gets far more out of consistent weight training, and the discipline and lifestyle habits as well as a mental attitude it demands, than just health and a better body. But I believe I could have achieved all that without putting this life style at such a high priority at a time when I could have been more productive and successful in my career.