Is bodybuilding a waste?

[wes]

Fair enough. Someone said I was being trolled by you and I wasn't sure what that meant.

Anyway, carry on. Lets pick on Oldtimer. He's the one I don't get. Well, in a way I do  now that Tim has explained it. Failing at something you've devoted so much time and effort to can be devastating.

When I think of how much time and effort I've spent just with formal weight training alone (almost 50 years) and the amount of success I've had and how it has enhanced my life it is hard to justify. Don't get me wrong, I believe a person gets far more out of consistent weight training, and the discipline and lifestyle habits as well as a mental attitude it demands, than just health and a better body. But I believe I could have achieved all that without putting this life style at such a high priority at a time when I could have been more productive and successful in my career.

You are the only person who commented on my statement about Rich aka (oldtimer) and I stand by what I said.
 
Why else would a man appear so bitter about folks he has never met just because they used gear if he wasn`t envious of their development..........jea lousy perhaps ?

I think he wanted to use forever but was afraid to do so.

I dont think he was worried about the legal ramifications because he was a cop.....and we all know tons of cop and correction officers use gear.

I too was afraid at one time (back in 1887) but if used responsibly....no ramifications.....at least in my case anyway, and I started back in the mid 1970`s though it was only mild orals.

Waiting for Rich to dispute my allegation and when and if and when he does,I will hold no animosity no matter what he says.

Though I will always believe he wanted to use but was afraid to do so.

[Taffin]

You are the only person who commented on my statement about Rich aka (oldtimer) and I stand by what I said.
 
Why else would a man appear so bitter about folks he has never met just because they used gear if he wasn`t envious of their development..........jea lousy perhaps ?

I think he wanted to use forever but was afraid to do so.

I dont think he was worried about the legal ramifications because he was a cop.....and we all know tons of cop and correction officers use gear.

I too was afraid at one time (back in 1887) but if used responsibly....no ramifications.....at least in my case anyway, and I started back in the mid 1970`s though it was only mild orals.

Waiting for Rich to dispute my allegation and when and if and when he does,I will hold no animosity no matter what he says.

Though I will always believe he wanted to use but was afraid to do so.

1.  I think Dave D is currently my favourite poster, just about everything he posts at the moment makes me smile/chuckle/LOL

2.  LOL - just LOL @ Mr Wes

[wes]

[The Scott]

You are the only person who commented on my statement about Rich aka (oldtimer) and I stand by what I said.
 
Why else would a man appear so bitter about folks he has never met just because they used gear if he wasn`t envious of their development..........jea lousy perhaps ?

I think he wanted to forever but was afraid to do so.

I dont think he was worried about the legal ramifications because he was a cop.....and we all know tons of cop and correction officers use gear.

I too was afraid at one time (back in 1887) but if used responsibly....no ramifications.....at least in my case anyway, and I started back in the mid 1970`s though it was only mild orals.

Waiting for Rich to dispute my allegation and when and if and when he does,I will hold no animosity no matter what he says.

Though I will always believe he wanted to use but was afraid to do so.

Wes my fellow oldster, recall if you will that I have said there are good and bad men on both sides of the coin that is PEDs.  You and I can bear witness to the 70s and those that took them, if not with caution then at the least, not carelessly.  They took time off for life and in doing so a great many lived long lives and hopefully happily.

Oldtimer is as we are in more ways than not.  The same is true of Pellius.   Anyone can take PEDs, especially so back in the so-called "golden age".   I know/knew more than a few and I suspect that many did more with their lives than just bodybuilding. If not, they wound up like us but worse for the wear and tear on if not on their bodies or souls then on their memories.

If all you have is you were once Mr. Fill-In-Title and nothing more, I'd say that the soundtrack of one's live might well be "No thanks, for the  memories"...  You, Pellius, Oldtimer, IroNat, Taffin, chaos, One and several others here are on the right side of the coin, if you will and that being regardless of the use or not of PEDs.

I just hope I am worthy of joining you all.  The edge of the coin is precipitous and being a cripple makes it hard to walk that line, my brother.  I apologize if I have made errors in judgment, spelling or more as I just received my medication a while ago and I even though this took me several minutes to "compose", I hope it does not appear to stupid and wordy.  Time to pass out.

In all ways and for always, be well my friends.

[Taffin]

Wes my fellow oldster, recall if you will that I have said there are good and bad men on both sides of the coin that is PEDs.  You and I can bear witness to the 70s and those that took them, if not with caution then at the least, not carelessly.  They took time off for life and in doing so a great many lived long lives and hopefully happily.

Oldtimer is as we are in more ways than not.  The same is true of Pellius.   Anyone can take PEDs, especially so back in the so-called "golden age".   I know/knew more than a few and I suspect that many did more with their lives than just bodybuilding. If not, they wound up like us but worse for the wear and tear on if not on their bodies or souls then on their memories.

If all you have is you were once Mr. Fill-In-Title and nothing more, I'd say that the soundtrack of one's live might well be "No thanks, for the  memories"...  You, Pellius, Oldtimer, IroNat, Taffin, chaos, One and several others here are on the right side of the coin, if you will and that being regardless of the use or not of PEDs.

I just hope I am worthy of joining you all.  The edge of the coin is precipitous and being a cripple makes it hard to walk that line, my brother.  I apologize if I have made errors in judgment, spelling or more as I just received my medication a while ago and I even though this took me several minutes to "compose", I hope it does not appear to stupid and wordy.  Time to pass out.

In all ways and for always, be well my friends.

Scott

I prefer to act as a sort of buffoon publicly on our board, and so rarely choose authenticity as a response, so if you will forgive my sentimentality for one moment:

I was not blessed with any Brothers, just one Sister who has unfortunately shown herself to be of poor character, and I await her redemption - it is never too late and I live in hope that she will realise what she is doing at some point and return to my family

But if I did have an older Brother, I like to think he would have been as good a man as you.  If I could give you a rough 'manly' hug from 5300 miles away I would 

Be well, my American Brother
Taf
 

[wes]

The Scott my friend.....any idiot can take PEDS and some abuse them adfinitum (sp),but to use them responsibly if you want to acknowledge such a practice,I find very little or no harm done except in rare case.

Of course if you abuse the fuck out of them,they will in turn abuse the fuck out of you in the long run in most intances.

As far as oldtimer goes,if he did small sensible cycles I think he would be far happier with hi progress and development and more understanding and tolerant to those of us who do you use them...........NOT THOSE WHO ABUSE THEM OF COURSE.

That being said,it`s his choice and I respect that, but in turn he should accept those of us who do or did use them and stop belittling us like we have the plague or are blatant cheaters.

After all some of the guys he adired or still admire are more than likely on boatloads.

Peace my brother !!

[wes]

Scott

I PREFER TO ACT AS  SORT OF BUFFOON PUBLICLY ON OUR BOARD, and so rarely choose authenticity as a response, so if you will forgive my sentimentality for one moment:

I was not blessed with any Brothers, just one Sister who has unfortunately shown herself to be of poor character, and I await her redemption - it is never too late and I live in hope that she will realise what she is doing at some point and return to my family

But if I did have an older Brother, I like to think he would have been as good a man as you.  If I could give you a rough 'manly' hug from 5300 miles away I would 

Be well, my American Brother
Taf
 

NO SAY IT AIN`T SO !!  LOL 

[The Scott]

The Scott my friend.....any idiot can take PEDS and some abuse them adfinitum (sp),but to use them responsibly if you want to acknowledge such a practice,I find very little or no harm done except in rare case.

Of course if you abuse the fuck out of them,they will in turn abuse the fuck out of you in the long run in most intances.

As far as oldtimer goes,if he did small sensible cycles I think he would be far happier with hi progress and development and more understanding and tolerant to those of us who do you use them...........NOT THOSE WHO ABUSE THEM OF COURSE.

That being said,it`s his choice and I respect that, but in turn he should accept those of us who do or did use them and stop belittling us like we have the plague or are blatant cheaters.

After all some of the guys he adired or still admire are more than likely on boatloads.

Peace my brother !!

Scott

I prefer to act as a sort of buffoon publicly on our board, and so rarely choose authenticity as a response, so if you will forgive my sentimentality for one moment:

I was not blessed with any Brothers, just one Sister who has unfortunately shown herself to be of poor character, and I await her redemption - it is never too late and I live in hope that she will realise what she is doing at some point and return to my family

But if I did have an older Brother, I like to think he would have been as good a man as you.  If I could give you a rough 'manly' hug from 5300 miles away I would 

Be well, my American Brother
Taf
 

Thank you, lads!!

[Taffin]

NO SAY IT AIN`T SO !!  LOL 

Wes

You would be surprised how many of these kids choose to take my poor attempts at humor seriously...

Then again, you've been here a while apparently, so maybe you wouldn't 

[Primemuscle]

Fair enough. Someone said I was being trolled by you and I wasn't sure what that meant.

Anyway, carry on. Lets pick on Oldtimer. He's the one I don't get. Well, in a way I do  now that Tim has explained it. Failing at something you've devoted so much time and effort to can be devastating.

When I think of how much time and effort I've spent just with formal weight training alone (almost 50 years) and the amount of success I've had and how it has enhanced my life it is hard to justify. Don't get me wrong, I believe a person gets far more out of consistent weight training, and the discipline and lifestyle habits as well as a mental attitude it demands, than just health and a better body. But I believe I could have achieved all that without putting this life style at such a high priority at a time when I could have been more productive and successful in my career.

Oldtimer is hardest on himself. He hasn't failed at being in great physical condition, he's achieved it. He'd do well to learn to give himself more credit and be proud of his achievement.

[oldgolds]

This.

The guy has spent 50 years of his life obsessing about bodybuilding and working out and not once in those 50 years has anyone mistaken him for a bodybuilder. It’s obviously created a bitterness that won’t go away. There are a lot of Getbiggers in the same predicament. How else can you explain why there’s so much hate towards bodybuilding in a bodybuilding forum.

I think the opposite is true...Present and past steroid users are the ones who get angry when their drug usage is criticized, I think this is because deep down they know they are  doing the wrong thing and they feel guilty.
It's phony and temporary, short guys and skinny guys get hooked because they finally get some respect and attention.
It's potentially dangerous and bad for your body.
In athletics it's banned.
When you start taking steroids you become a liar...99% of guys lie about it.

Now lets see all the angry steroid users hurl insults and rationalize their usage.

[njflex]

Oldtimer is hardest on himself. He hasn't failed at being in great physical condition, he's achieved it. He'd do well to learn to give himself more credit and be proud of his achievement.

Exactly,,,,,you either get patted on the back or you don’t and same holds true drugged or not,who cares..lif your ok care with what you achieved either way take it and run..if you go on and on about Instagram or even the gym juicers then your wasting your time trying to figure what drives them to be that way...it is what it is....

[wes]

Wes

You would be surprised how many of these kids choose to take my poor attempts at humor seriously...

Then again, you've been here a while apparently, so maybe you wouldn't 

And here I was always thinking your post were seriou! LOL 

[wes]

I think the opposite is true...Present and past steroid users are the ones who get angry when their drug usage is criticized, I think this is because deep down they know they are  doing the wrong thing and they feel guilty.
It's phony and temporary, short guys and skinny guys get hooked because they finally get some respect and attention.
It's potentially dangerous and bad for your body.
In athletics it's banned.
When you start taking steroids you become a liar...99% of guys lie about it.

Now lets see all the angry steroid users hurl insults and rationalize their usage.

I1ve never felt guilty or hooked at all, and all my contests were not of the "natural" kind so no worries there.

Didn`t you use drug back in Cali?

I only like in court,to the cops..........and to my wife of course.

You sound like a bitter bitch yourself ..............BITCH.

[Primemuscle]

Exactly,,,,,you either get patted on the back or you don’t and same holds true drugged or not,who cares..lif your ok care with what you achieved either way take it and run..if you go on and on about Instagram or even the gym juicers then your wasting your time trying to figure what drives them to be that way...it is what it is....

There was a moment in time when I would have taken a magic pill regardless of the side effects, if it  promised I would become the musclebound freak of my dreams. Thankfully, it was only a moment and I carried on doing the hard work anyway. 

You my friend, better never complain about your bodybuilding accomplishments. If you are as fit as I imagine you will be at my age.  You will have achieved something most folks never do. How is that for a challenge?

[honest]

Jesus Christ end this fucking thread everyone knows oldtimer wishes he went on gear but was afraid to.........there I said it.

I always liked Rich aka oldtimer and still do, but he was too scared to get on the gear so now he hates everyone who has..................... ..can you say bitter?

Totally agree with you, 2000 posts 1999 bitching about some guy with fake muscles, we get it lol, you dont like anyone who's ever taken anything ever, they all need to die for their unnatural growth and steroid sins.

[honest]

I think the opposite is true...Present and past steroid users are the ones who get angry when their drug usage is criticized, I think this is because deep down they know they are  doing the wrong thing and they feel guilty.
It's phony and temporary, short guys and skinny guys get hooked because they finally get some respect and attention.
It's potentially dangerous and bad for your body.
In athletics it's banned.
When you start taking steroids you become a liar...99% of guys lie about it.

Now lets see all the angry steroid users hurl insults and rationalize their usage.

   we need some angry old man emojis around here.   

[Primemuscle]

  we need some angry old man emojis around here.

Where can I find these. I'm and old man who sometimes wants to give folks the impression I am angry. Emojis are so much easier than writing walls of words.

[pellius]

I think the opposite is true...Present and past steroid users are the ones who get angry when their drug usage is criticized, I think this is because deep down they know they are  doing the wrong thing and they feel guilty.
It's phony and temporary, short guys and skinny guys get hooked because they finally get some respect and attention.
It's potentially dangerous and bad for your body.
In athletics it's banned.
When you start taking steroids you become a liar...99% of guys lie about it.

Now lets see all the angry steroid users hurl insults and rationalize their usage.

This thread continues to deliver such absurd and preposterous theories. Most coming from these old timers that many of us consider wise. The notion that steroid users deep down believe what they are doing is wrong and feel guilty is just beyond laughable.

And it's phony and temporary? If I feel Cutler's bicep in his prime it's not really a bicep? What makes yours more real? If I cut open both of your arms will there be some made up tissue in Jay's arm? And, temporary? What will your arm look like in 25 years? Everything is temporary.

You are correct that short, skinny guys will get more respect for having big muscles. What's wrong with that? Short, skinny guy will get more respect for being filthy rich. What's wrong with people trying to compensate for a deficiency?

And they're all liars. Not anymore than you are liar. Among people they know will understand most are very open and honest about their use. If they are talking to their preteen son, maybe not so much. Are you open and honest about everything in your life.

The fact is, for the vast majority the use of steroids has enhanced the quality of life. Not everyone is using bbing doses. The amount of men on TRT has never been higher and growing fast.

[IroNat]

  we need some angry old man emojis around here.   

Not an emoji but...

[AbrahamG]

Not an emoji but...

My favorite Soprano.

[oldgolds]

Wes, you're the last guy to talk, little skinny guy who HAD to take drugs to get respect/muscle and now you have cancer possibly because of the steroids.

[Soul Crusher]

Old school BB has its place for muscle hypertrophic no doubt.   However very one reaches genetic limits at some point if they trai. Year in and out.   

Not shitzo who never did so much as a sit up.

Once said person gets there - you are faced w some choices - maintain - seek other things etc.

Some go into competitive BB and enjoy it for what it is.   Others try to get more well rounded in terms of stamina and endurance.   Etc

 Fitness is a lifelong journey.   One can go in and out of modes many times over the years.

[Primemuscle]

I think the opposite is true...Present and past steroid users are the ones who get angry when their drug usage is criticized, I think this is because deep down they know they are  doing the wrong thing and they feel guilty.
It's phony and temporary, short guys and skinny guys get hooked because they finally get some respect and attention.
It's potentially dangerous and bad for your body.
In athletics it's banned.
When you start taking steroids you become a liar...99% of guys lie about it.

Now lets see all the angry steroid users hurl insults and rationalize their usage.

You are entitled to your opinion. I happen to disagree with it.

You are stereotyping folks who use or have used steroids. That is wrong. Abuse of anything is potentially dangerous and bad for a person's body. Sensible use is much less likely to have ill side effects. If folks lie about taking steroids, it is mainly because in most locations and under most conditions, ABS is not legal unless it is medically prescribed.

Technically, I am a steroid user since I am on HRT. Also because when I was a young adult, a doctor prescribed D-Bol and test shots to help me overcome looking like a victim of starvation. Much of the muscle and weight I gained was permanent and there is nothing fake about it.

When athletes, including bodybuilders stop exercising many cease being fit. It isn't because they went off steroids. It is because muscles require exercise. It is also because calories in should relate to the calories one burns. Many swimmers and other athletes gain weight after they are no longer active in their sport. It is not uncommon for someone's metabolism to slow down as they age....again, it is all about calories in and calories out. 

[Primemuscle]

Wes, you're the last guy to talk, little skinny guy who HAD to take drugs to get respect/muscle and now you have cancer possibly because of the steroids.

Telling Wes his cancer is the result of steroid use is totally fucked. Wes was a smoker, he had lung and possible throat cancer. Smoking is known to cause those cancers. What the heck does that have to do with using ABS? Here's what....it has nothing to do with it. You are being an idiot!