Gyms are back open, but....

[MCWAY]

Ignore the 500000+ dead and the dead members of family's and friends? Is that what you are saying? Just trying to get an understanding of your comment. Just lost an Austin Police officer to Covid and trying to figure out the scam part of your post

To me, the "scam" isn't the virus itself (a turbo-charged version of the flu, in my opinion). It's the over-reaction by politicians and the devastation caused by that.

How does Fauci go from no masks are required to needing TWO masks? Same goes for the CDC.

How do you go from, "it's no more dangerous than the flu" to break out the lamb's blood or your firstborn kids are history?

How do you bash governors like Kristie Noem who had one of the lowest death rates of any state (despite not shutting down her state at all), while slobbering over a fool like Cuomo who had people dropping left and right, courtesy of his screwball policies and strict lockdowns?

Why are the tech-nazis on YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter so desperate to SILENCE anyone who doesn't bow down to the current (and I stress, CURRENT) coronavirus dogma. Heck, just post what Fauci and the CDC said last year about this mess and see what happens to you.

Why were the vaccines so DANGEROUS when Trump was president but are being praised to the hilt with Biden in the Oval Office? Notice that we weren't supposed to even have vaccines for another 2 years or so.

How can Florida's gyms be reopened for over 9 months while places like Oregon just opened up their door this year?

Coach's mileage may vary.

[Straw Man]

To me, the "scam" isn't the virus itself (a turbo-charged version of the flu, in my opinion). It's the over-reaction by politicians and the devastation caused by that.

How does Fauci go from no masks are required to needing TWO masks? Same goes for the CDC.

How do you go from, "it's no more dangerous than the flu" to break out the lamb's blood or your firstborn kids are history?

How do you bash governors like Kristie Noem who had one of the lowest death rates of any state (despite not shutting down her state at all), while slobbering over a fool like Cuomo who had people dropping left and right, courtesy of his screwball policies and strict lockdowns?

Why are the tech-nazis on YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter so desperate to SILENCE anyone who doesn't bow down to the current (and I stress, CURRENT) coronavirus dogma. Heck, just post what Fauci and the CDC said last year about this mess and see what happens to you.

Why were the vaccines so DANGEROUS when Trump was president but are being praised to the hilt with Biden in the Oval Office? Notice that we weren't supposed to even have vaccines for another 2 years or so.

How can Florida's gyms be reopened for over 9 months while places like Oregon just opened up their door this year?

Coach's mileage may vary.

it's called getting new information and then revising your opinion
it's something that normal human beings tend to do

Idiots, tend to ignore any and all information that doesn't support their preconceived beliefs

[Primemuscle]

Floridians do, too. But, there comes a point where the "cure" is worse than the disease. Besides, we can proverbially walk and chew gum at the same time. Our governor issued guidelines but he let the mayors do their things for their cities/counties, provided they didn't turn into DeBlasios or Lightfoots.

To my pleasant SURPRISE, the mayor of Orange County (a liberal, whose wife is a former sheriff and one of the most left-winged congresswomen walking this planet) actually took a balanced and sensible approach to this matter.....for the most part.

The restaurants here are allowed to be opened at at least 50% capacity, unless you have a sob story as to why it should be less.

As I said earlier, our gyms were only closed for three months. Upon reopening, we had to use the 24-Hour Fitness app to make a one-hour reservation and check into the club without the fingerprint thing. The 30-minute close time for cleaning really only lasted 5-15 minutes and (at least where I train) they let you back inside to keep training until the next group arrives.

That all ended in September. I'd say it's about 80%-85% back to normal. The kids' club is still closed and the mask police don't bother you anymore once you checked into the gym and (in my case) go upstairs where the weights are.

Several months ago, gyms opened up for a short while in Oregon. 24 Hour Fitness was open in the way you described, by appointment and with shorter hours. They've continued with the hands free check in. Although I have yet to go to the gym, I'm anxious to see how that works. There are also a few independent gyms which never closed. How they managed that, I have no idea.

I am playing it safe. I'll go to the gym after my second COVID vaccine which is next week. I've waited this long a week or so longer isn't a problem.

[MCWAY]

it's called getting new information and then revising your opinion
it's something that normal human beings tend to do

What new information? He admitted that he downplayed the mask thing, out of fear that people would snatch up all the masks and leave none for healthcare workers. I gave Fauci the benefit of the doubt, initially. As Belle from "Roots" said, Either you lied to me, old man; or you been lied to!

The CDC has their Facebook accounts saying that masks were NOT necessary nearly one year ago today. What exactly changed?

He also claimed as late as March of last year, that coronavirus was no more dangerous than the flu. What exactly changed?

Fauci said we'd have to be locked down almost indefinitely, until a vaccine was found (and that would take almost 2 years). Yet, when we had multiple vaccines rolling by 2020's end, he was STILL talking about lockdowns.

Idiots, tend to ignore any and all information that doesn't support their preconceived beliefs

Indeed. They also mindlessly follow so-called experts, leaving critical thinking and common sense at the door, to support their preconceived beliefs.

[MCWAY]

Several months ago, gyms opened up for a short while in Oregon. 24 Hour Fitness was open in the way you described, by appointment and with shorter hours. They've continued with the hands free check in. Although I have yet to go to the gym, I'm anxious to see how that works. There are also a few independent gyms which never closed. How they managed that, I have no idea.

I am playing it safe. I'll go to the gym after my second COVID vaccine which is next week. I've waited this long a week or so longer isn't a problem.

Well now (at least in Orange County, FL), they're virtually work as normal. There are no more appointments; the staff can clean without closing up shop for 30 minutes, which I attribute to two local clubs shutting down permanently and the staff from there moving to the other locations.

You can do the fingerprint scanner again or use the app to check into the place. You wear a mask to get past the front desk; but once you're past there and onto to the main floor (which is upstairs where I train), it's business as usual. The "mask police" have softened their enforcement drastically.

The kids' club is the only thing that isn't open. But, just as well, my son is either too old or right at the max age limit. I just checked the website. It's 11. So, I won't be able to use much longer (if at all) anyway.

[Agnostic007]

Several months ago, gyms opened up for a short while in Oregon. 24 Hour Fitness was open in the way you described, by appointment and with shorter hours. They've continued with the hands free check in. Although I have yet to go to the gym, I'm anxious to see how that works. There are also a few independent gyms which never closed. How they managed that, I have no idea.

I am playing it safe. I'll go to the gym after my second COVID vaccine which is next week. I've waited this long a week or so longer isn't a problem.

Ive been going to the gym for months. My protocol is leave my mask on at all times. No matter what, I don't lift the mask to scratch my nose, I don't pull out my phone. Any time I'm near a sanitizer I use it. After my workout I sanitize my hands as I leave the gym. I see people walking around with no masks. That's their problem and I hope they are fine.

[MCWAY]

Ive been going to the gym for months. My protocol is leave my mask on at all times. No matter what, I don't lift the mask to scratch my nose, I don't pull out my phone. Any time I'm near a sanitizer I use it. After my workout I sanitize my hands as I leave the gym. I see people walking around with no masks. That's their problem and I hope they are fine.

Protocol, if you will, for me: Keep it on to get in the building; wear it in between sets when necessary but not during performance of exercises (particularly any mayor exercises with heavy weights, i.e. leg presses/squats, benches, military presses).

[Agnostic007]

Protocol, if you will, for me: Keep it on to get in the building; wear it in between sets when necessary but not during performance of exercises (particularly any mayor exercises with heavy weights, i.e. leg presses/squats, benches, military presses).

Seems reasonable.

I'm about one week out from my 1st Pfizer shot. My final will be the 19th of this month. From what I can tell, the most recent data suggests that at 2 weeks out, I'll be at 80% immune. The 2nd dose will add another 10-15% and potential longevity. By next week I'll just be wearing the mask when mandated.

[joswift]

Seems reasonable.

I'm about one week out from my 1st Pfizer shot. My final will be the 19th of this month. From what I can tell, the most recent data suggests that at 2 weeks out, I'll be at 80% immune. The 2nd dose will add another 10-15% and potential longevity. By next week I'll just be wearing the mask when mandated.

Do you know that the vaccine has only been passed for use in an emergency, if they lifted lockdowns and emergency powers the vaccine wouldnt be classed fit for human use..

Enjoy your prick..

[Agnostic007]

Do you know that the vaccine has only been passed for use in an emergency, if they lifted lockdowns and emergency powers the vaccine wouldnt be classed fit for human use..

Enjoy your prick..

That's an interesting take on the situation.

[Soul Crusher]

it's called getting new information and then revising your opinion
it's something that normal human beings tend to do

Idiots, tend to ignore any and all information that doesn't support their preconceived beliefs

I’ll bet you wear two face condoms.   Not surprising. 

[Primemuscle]

Seems reasonable.

I'm about one week out from my 1st Pfizer shot. My final will be the 19th of this month. From what I can tell, the most recent data suggests that at 2 weeks out, I'll be at 80% immune. The 2nd dose will add another 10-15% and potential longevity. By next week I'll just be wearing the mask when mandated.

You are definitely more cautious than I am with regards to mask wearing. I always only worn one when and where it is mandated. When I speak with service people, such as my gardeners I stand about 4' away, maybe more. They don't wear masks when they're here and neither do I. Some folks, like the arborist chose to wear a mask when we were checking out what work needs to be done, that's his choice. The CDC has lessened the distance from 6' to 3'. For awhile, it appeared that about 50 to 60% of the folks out for a walk around the neighborhood wore masks. Currently, hardly any are.

Supposedly, COVID is on the rise again. There's talk the governor might revert to stronger restrictions. Honestly, the longer this goes on the more obvious it becomes that the scientist are shooting in the dark....meaning they are making best guess decisions and then waiting to see how it works out. this is not very comforting. People prefer solid answers. But when there are none....it just is what it is. 

[Primemuscle]

Do you know that the vaccine has only been passed for use in an emergency, if they lifted lockdowns and emergency powers the vaccine wouldnt be classed fit for human use..

Enjoy your prick..

Right because the clinical trials new medicines go through before approval are normally much more extensive and therefore take a lot more time. Whether these vaccines could be classified as fit for human use will depend on a couple of things. Firstly, with a pool of tens of millions of people as test subjects, the trials are way more comprehensive. Secondly, with mutations, the pandemic could go on for quite awhile which should provide better understanding of whether it works and any side effects. The one thing we will probably not know is the long term side effects. That can take decades to determine since while the subject may have no adverse side effects their unborn children might. As was the case with Thalidomide babies.

[Primemuscle]

I’ll bet you wear two face condoms.   Not surprising.

Lets hope you and not those wearing masks get the last laugh. Should you somehow become infected with COVID, do you think it will change your opinion about mask wearing? Be honest. Mine is a serious question. I am not just pulling your chain or trolling you.

[The Scott]

Lets hope you and not those wearing masks get the last laugh. Should you somehow become infected with COVID, do you think it will change your opinion about mask wearing? Be honest. Mine is a serious question. I am not just pulling your chain or trolling you.

I wear one when forced to do so.  Otherwise, no fucking way.  Fauci is a farce.  Just because one is an MD does not mean they are without faults or an evile agenda.  Don't believe so?  Dr. Josef Mengele. Talk about a mockery of the Hippocratic Oath.  Fauci changes his tune on this virus more often than President Biden changes his mind or his Depends.

For those of sound mind it is obvious that evil doesn't have wear a Swastika.

[HTexan]

Got vaccinated early with the medical personnel and first responders. I wear a mask when I go anywhere. Austin still has a mask mandate, but nowhere is really enforcing it. The gym I used to go shut down only a few months in to the pandemic.

[joswift]

Right because the clinical trials new medicines go through before approval are normally much more extensive and therefore take a lot more time. Whether these vaccines could be classified as fit for human use will depend on a couple of things. Firstly, with a pool of tens of millions of people as test subjects, the trials are way more comprehensive. Secondly, with mutations, the pandemic could go on for quite awhile which should provide better understanding of whether it works and any side effects. The one thing we will probably not know is the long term side effects. That can take decades to determine since while the subject may have no adverse side effects their unborn children might. As was the case with Thalidomide babies.

Thalidomide was drug especially for women suffering from morning sickness, its women who took it that had the deformed babies...it was only tested on animals before it was passed fit for humans
if they had tested if first on pregnant women they would have known the damage it caused.

This "vaccine" isnt even a vaccine as it contains no active covid, it is a gene altering therapy treatment.

seasonal flu this year will kill many thousands of people who have had the vaccine as it will cause the body to violently react to any coronavirus

It will be then you see the bodies piling up that were faked last year.

[Primemuscle]

I wear one when forced to do so.  Otherwise, no fucking way.  Fauci is a farce.  Just because one is an MD does not mean they are without faults or an evile agenda.  Don't believe so?  Dr. Josef Mengele. Talk about a mockery of the Hippocratic Oath.  Fauci changes his tune on this virus more often than President Biden changes his mind or his Depends.

For those of sound mind it is obvious that evil doesn't have wear a Swastika.

Are you honestly comparing Dr. Josef Mengele (Todesengel) with Dr. Anthony Fauci? 

Nobody, not even doctors are infallible. The whole world is learning about COVID-19 at the same time. Decisions and recommendations are literally being made on the fly. There are bound to be missteps.

 "Wear a mask....don't wear a mask....wear two masks and a visor." "More testing....less testing."  "We have ample quantities of the vaccines....we don't have enough vaccine" "Vaccinate the old and infirmed first....vaccinate first responders first....vaccinate everyone at the same time."
(Florida) "It's efficacy is 95%, no 60%, no 80%, etc." "The number of cases and deaths are declining....they've plateaued....oops they're increasing." "Shut everything down....open somethings up....shut some things down again." There are more unknowns than knows. Guess work isn't fact it is a best guess.

It is no wonder people are all over the place when it comes to COVID. I get it. What I don't get is why such a resistance to error on the side of caution when you are dealing with something which is life threatening.

[joswift]

Are you honestly comparing Dr. Josef Mengele (Todesengel) with Dr. Anthony Fauci? 

Nobody, not even doctors are infallible. The whole world is learning about COVID-19 at the same time. Decisions and recommendations are literally being made on the fly. There are bound to be missteps.

 "Wear a mask....don't wear a mask....wear two masks and a visor." "More testing....less testing."  "We have ample quantities of the vaccines....we don't have enough vaccine" "Vaccinate the old and infirmed first....vaccinate first responders first....vaccinate everyone at the same time."
(Florida) "It's efficacy is 95%, no 60%, no 80%, etc." "The number of cases and deaths are declining....they've plateaued....oops they're increasing." "Shut everything down....open somethings up....shut some things down again." There are more unknowns than knows. Guess work isn't fact it is a best guess.

It is no wonder people are all over the place when it comes to COVID. I get it. What I don't get is why such a resistance to error on the side of caution when you are dealing with something which is life threatening.

if you are fit and under 60 the chances of severe illness are infinitesimal.

[Soul Crusher]

Lets hope you and not those wearing masks get the last laugh. Should you somehow become infected with COVID, do you think it will change your opinion about mask wearing? Be honest. Mine is a serious question. I am not just pulling your chain or trolling you.

No, because wearing a mask or not does not protect you.   What it does - IF YOU ARE SICK, lessens the viral spray and load.  Asymptomatic spread is spread and we know most cases are gotten by being inside w sick people. 

So I try to stay outside as much as can.   I train outside.  Have not wore a face diaper at all unless a store requires it.   Thats it.   Nowhere else. 

At this point we have all been exposed to this virus in one way or another/ 

[US MUSL]

The gyms in my area, St Charles County  Missouri  reopened last June with few restrictions, no masks. No big Covid breakouts.

[MCWAY]

The gyms in my area, St Charles County  Missouri  reopened last June with few restrictions, no masks. No big Covid breakouts.

That's near St. Louis, isn't it?

I haven't been near that area, since my daughter's piano recital where I had to drive over 3 hours from Kansas City.

[US MUSL]

That's near St. Louis, isn't it?

Yes. Saint Louis City and county are a bit more restrictive.

[POB]

To me, the "scam" isn't the virus itself (a turbo-charged version of the flu, in my opinion). It's the over-reaction by politicians and the devastation caused by that.

How does Fauci go from no masks are required to needing TWO masks? Same goes for the CDC.

How do you go from, "it's no more dangerous than the flu" to break out the lamb's blood or your firstborn kids are history?

How do you bash governors like Kristie Noem who had one of the lowest death rates of any state (despite not shutting down her state at all), while slobbering over a fool like Cuomo who had people dropping left and right, courtesy of his screwball policies and strict lockdowns?

Why are the tech-nazis on YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter so desperate to SILENCE anyone who doesn't bow down to the current (and I stress, CURRENT) coronavirus dogma. Heck, just post what Fauci and the CDC said last year about this mess and see what happens to you.

Why were the vaccines so DANGEROUS when Trump was president but are being praised to the hilt with Biden in the Oval Office? Notice that we weren't supposed to even have vaccines for another 2 years or so.

How can Florida's gyms be reopened for over 9 months while places like Oregon just opened up their door this year?

Coach's mileage may vary.

Spot on

[MCWAY]

Spot on

Thank you. This crap has been far too politicized, especially on the left. It's being exploited for the main purpose of stripping of liberty, freedom, and money.