Ron's tough interview with Wayne DeMilia

[Bigger Business]

Bingo!!  Scared just like Kevin Horton was.

Stop being pussies!!  If the PDI is doomed to failure LET IT FAIL.

But the truth is, they KNOW that Wayne has a good track record as a promoter.  They KNOW he put on better Olympias than the debacle that was 2005.  They KNOW he can have a much better organization than the IFBB.

Weider just wants a monopoly on the market.  Well now that is ending and boo hoo.   

This is highly out of character for Ron.  Not to be with the conspiracy theories but I wouldn't doubt if someone from the IFBB did press Ron to act this way.

I agree and i dont think anyone wants wayne to fail but there is all this uncertainty about whats happennin in the industry and that mixed with 'conspiracy theories' and lack of information well its gonna frustrate some people...people that may stand to lose money.
 

[bigdumbbell]

 The mentioning of the yahoo email is once again priceless. It just screams unprofessional.

if it said verizon, would that calm you down?

[ja351]

Ron....While your searching for validity to the PDI, maybe you could do an interview with Shaun Ray and find out why he hasn’t released the competitor list to an IFBB show.

Surely if the IFBB is the best of the best as you seem to be insinuating...it must be an embarrassment to you and the rest of the IFBB lapdogs...that bodybuilding fans still dont know who there going to see?

[kmhphoto]

Bingo!!  Scared just like Kevin Horton was.

Stop being pussies!!  If the PDI is doomed to failure LET IT FAIL.

But the truth is, they KNOW that Wayne has a good track record as a promoter.  They KNOW he put on better Olympias than the debacle that was 2005.  They KNOW he can have a much better organization than the IFBB.

What do I have to be scared of?
From the outset I stated that the PDI will not haooen. Not because of any fear of competition but because I have more background information than you do.
This is not the first time Wayne has tried this. First time, it failed. What's changed?
Anyone who questions the validity of the PDI is accused of being an IFBB stooge, As you are such a vociferous supporter of Wayne does that make you a PDI stooge?

[bigdumbbell]

if it said @prodivision.com (or whatever) that would be better.

Serious question: is Ron becoming an IFBB stooge?

Speak on this.

and what's the rush to a glammy website? 
oh, i forgot..impressions

[bigdumbbell]

What do I have to be scared of?
From the outset I stated that the PDI will not haooen. Not because of any fear of competition but because I have more background information than you do.
This is not the first time Wayne has tried this. First time, it failed. What's changed?
Anyone who questions the validity of the PDI is accused of being an IFBB stooge, As you are such a vociferous supporter of Wayne does that make you a PDI stooge?

just watt we like  turf war

[onlyme]

What do I have to be scared of?
From the outset I stated that the PDI will not haooen. Not because of any fear of competition but because I have more background information than you do.
This is not the first time Wayne has tried this. First time, it failed. What's changed?
Anyone who questions the validity of the PDI is accused of being an IFBB stooge, As you are such a vociferous supporter of Wayne does that make you a PDI stooge?

Why do you persist in trying to convince people you are in the know.  You are a 3rd or 4th tier photographer.  YOu have done nothing memorable in your life.  You truly need to quit pretending.  You more than embarrass yourself on here.  Are you truly that dumb.  You don't know half of what I know and I don't even come on here sounding as if I am an expert of Wayne and the PDI.  Please keep to yourself like you are used too and people will once again forget about you.  Time to go get more knee pads so you can keep your paycheck coming n from the IFBB and Manion.  And not only are you a stooge you are just plain stupid. 

[dearth]

Anyone who questions the validity of the PDI is accused of being an IFBB stooge

fear of competition + IFBB loyalty = stooge (horton,ron)

[kyomu]

Why some people identify thier selves as majority and try to battle out for that mayority?(Like Patriot...In this case IFBB.)
If I were Ron,I would be like mountain in front of WAyne.
But, it look like he is scare out of shit in front of him.....
Why? Because,Ron admit Wayne as a menase to IFBB and NPC.

Another insecure person. Be yourself Ron.That lead you better place.
And do your homework as usual.You do good job here. So,during keep on being your self,things work out better and bring good result to you. Leave the things move,no need to be nervous.

The life is like a river,one who strugle against the stream suffer,another who relax well, stream take him to another safe place.

I mean the result(End up in IFBB?PDI?) doesnt hurt you. But,The proces does.

[kmhphoto]

Why do you persist in trying to convince people you are in the know.  You are a 3rd or 4th tier photographer.  YOu have done nothing memorable in your life.  You truly need to quit pretending.  You more than embarrass yourself on here.  Are you truly that dumb.  You don't know half of what I know and I don't even come on here sounding as if I am an expert of Wayne and the PDI.  Please keep to yourself like you are used too and people will once again forget about you.  Time to go get more knee pads so you can keep your paycheck coming n from the IFBB and Manion.  And not only are you a stooge you are just plain stupid. 

I knew it wouldn't be long before spiderman showed up to offer his little pearls of wisdom.You are incapable of allowing others to hold differing opinions and resort to childish insults in almost all your postings.
While I'm more than capable of lowering myself to your level and trade insults, I'd rather save that energy for any future dealings with 240. At least he's intelligent.

[bigdumbbell]

whatta validator 

[NarcissisticDeity]

I would support the PDI based on this alone

We all got involved in bodybuilding at one time because we all wanted to have a nice V-shaped physique. You are looking for wide shoulders, and V-Shape down to a tight waist, then thighs flaring out a little out, calves flaring out, the legs looking nice, and you have a nice physique that you are happy with, and it makes you better athletes in whatever sport you want to compete with, and women & men find you sexual attractive. The big stomachs are not doing it. There is more muscle on these physiques than ever before. If you look at them part by part, then some of these parts are amazing. But when you put the physiques all together, the physique does not look attractive at all.

What do I have to be scared of?
From the outset I stated that the PDI will not haooen. Not because of any fear of competition but because I have more background information than you do.
This is not the first time Wayne has tried this. First time, it failed. What's changed?
Anyone who questions the validity of the PDI is accused of being an IFBB stooge, As you are such a vociferous supporter of Wayne does that make you a PDI stooge?


Excellent point Kev


Why do you persist in trying to convince people you are in the know.  You are a 3rd or 4th tier photographer.  YOu have done nothing memorable in your life.  You truly need to quit pretending.  You more than embarrass yourself on here.  Are you truly that dumb.  You don't know half of what I know and I don't even come on here sounding as if I am an expert of Wayne and the PDI.  Please keep to yourself like you are used too and people will once again forget about you.  Time to go get more knee pads so you can keep your paycheck coming n from the IFBB and Manion.  And not only are you a stooge you are just plain stupid.  

Nothing memorable? Kevin is an excellent photograhper , he is responsible for a ton of great pic , most notable is the B&W Dorian pics from 93 , so say he a 3rd or 4th tier photograhper is hasrh !!


Bottom line if anyone can make a new federation work its Wayne , he has a wealth of experience and perhaps can inject some life back into bodybuilding , because lets face it , its growth has stagnanted , attendence at shows has remained the same for years , I recall Haney posing for crowds of 5-6 thousand people 20 years ago and they crowds haven't grown for Coleman ,one of the reasons why is the sport is boring , even to a hardcore fan , so maybe he has something else to offer

I like how Wayne is approaching this , if he unfolds the way he wants it to it will only compliment the IFBB and NPC , and as a whole will bennefit all of the bodybuilding community , it may be just a grand idea , it may not work out at all , but Wanye and PDI have piqued my curiosity and again I would suuport them just based on the no gut/aesthetic ideal , the top 3 at this years Olympia all had guts , this isn't bodybuilding to me , either way its going to be interesting.

[240 is Back]

I'd rather save that energy for any future dealings with 240. At least he's intelligent.

I appreciate that.  And all flaming aside-

The beauty of the free market is that you CANNOT STOP A SUPERIOR PRODUCT! If the PDI is better, word will get out.  No amount of web bashing can stop it.  People are too intelligent.  So the motives of Bob, Kevin, Ron, etc- whthere biased or not- they DON'T MATTER! 

The fans, athletes, and sponsors will determine if Wayne is legit or not.  I just spoke to him- he WELCOMES the next batch of questions.  Ron, call that man and HIT HIM HARD!  THis is what I love business and marketing...

[GHGut]

You guys are getting on Ron for being tough with Wayne in the interview.
Here's what you gotta understand.

If you piss off the NPC/IFBB in this town you're shit out of luck. One way you might piss them off is by appearing too sympathetic to Pro Division.

Hopefully the launch of Pro Division will make the IFBB work harder to reinvigorate professional bodybuilding. Wayne is a dangerous opponent. He knows how to run shows. He knows the inner working of the IFBB, what worked and what didn't. He has the connections not just here but is large worldwide.

This is a great time to be a bodybuilding fan!

[kmhphoto]

I appreciate that.  And all flaming aside-

The beauty of the free market is that you CANNOT STOP A SUPERIOR PRODUCT! If the PDI is better, word will get out.  No amount of web bashing can stop it.  People are too intelligent.  So the motives of Bob, Kevin, Ron, etc- whthere biased or not- they DON'T MATTER! 

The fans, athletes, and sponsors will determine if Wayne is legit or not.  I just spoke to him- he WELCOMES the next batch of questions.  Ron, call that man and HIT HIM HARD!  THis is what I love business and marketing...

For any producrt to succeed there has to be a market to sustain it and pro bodybuilding has a very small fan base willing to put their hand in thier pocket and buy a ticket. What does the PDI offer that will suddenly increase this market to the point where it can have 25+ professional shows?
While Wayne may welcome the next round of questions he'll evade the issues with his customary "We are doing things at our own pace and all the details will be revealsed at the right time. We will not be rushed" etc. etc. etc.

[240 is Back]

For any producrt to succeed there has to be a market to sustain it and pro bodybuilding has a very small fan base willing to put their hand in thier pocket and buy a ticket. What does the PDI offer that will suddenly increase this market to the point where it can have 25+ professional shows?
While Wayne may welcome the next round of questions he'll evade the issues with his customary "We are doing things at our own pace and all the details will be revealsed at the right time. We will not be rushed" etc. etc. etc.

LOL... dude, there were always people screaming that the Horse Buggy would always rule, even as the Model T's started rolling off the assembly line

[kmhphoto]

LOL... dude, there were always people screaming that the Horse Buggy would always rule, even as the Model T's started rolling off the assembly line

I was one of them!

[240 is Back]

I was one of them!

And that's fine.  You're showing loyalty to your employers, which is fine.  But you'd have better served yourself by not getting involved at all.  Now you lose credibility, as you're grouped in with those IFBB YES MEN, and when the PDI does come and you cover it, you're going to look like an ass.  Sad but true!

With a stake in the IFBB's success as you're dependent upon your employer- not your ability to command a salary for your skillbase- you didn't have much of a choice. 

You're not a free agent.  You can't be honest here. 

[donrhummy]

I appreciate that.  And all flaming aside-

The beauty of the free market is that you CANNOT STOP A SUPERIOR PRODUCT!

Wow, that's not even remotely true. Microsoft has beaten every competitor, yet it's far from the best product. Intel has beaten AMD, yet AMD chips are much better, and Intel has also stolen business from Motorola (with Apple) yet the Motorola chips are far and away better made.

The winner is rarely the better product. It's actually the one with more money, connections, marketing and power that wins.

[240 is Back]

Wow, that's not even remotely true. Microsoft has beaten every competitor, yet it's far from the best product. Intel has beaten AMD, yet AMD chips are much better, and Intel has also stolen business from Motorola (with Apple) yet the Motorola chips are far and away better made.

The winner is rarely the better product. It's actually the one with more money, connections, marketing and power that wins.

MS has won because of a superior marketing strategy, but this took place in an era before informaiton was so freely available.  If a new Operating System came out today that was better, faster, more reliable, and cheaper than Windows (and compatable with Office) it would receive major media coverage (well, on FOXnews at least), and firms would purchase it to gain a competitive advantage over their competitors.

Likewise, supp companies will see Wayne's PDI as a chance to have their product/brand associated with something NEW.  There is nothing new about another Ronnie-Cutler-Gustavo finish at the O.  There is nothing new about a Bob Chick masters pro win with with straight 1s in every category.  But there is a series of firsts coming for the PDI!

i AGREE that first in the mindset is often the cause for success, but only because newer firms fail to carve their own niche- they prefer to try to BEAT an established #1- which doesn't work.  Apple found NEW success in the last 5 years- how?  By niching themselves into the IPOD/Mac lover arena- and ending competing with MS, which they just cannot do, as econ of scale have MS killing them in production efficiency.  But Apple has great success now with IPOD and personal media products.  Likewise, Wayne is not trying to be the next IFBB.  He's trying to be the FIRST PDI- a BBing organization focused upon aesthetics and entertaining shows- which the IFBB is definitely not.

[jesusbod]

5 months isn't very long when many guys diet 4 months or longer for a show.  That means a lot more names had better start committing next month at the latest.  Time is ticking away.  I suppose it's possible someone pushing 40 could diet for Europa in August or the Atlantic City show and feel they get screwed there and jump to PDI, but they're not exactly going to be top guys.

I doubt anyone but Priest who qualfies for the O will want to do a non-IFBB show around the Olympia, so that will eliminate pretty much every quality bodybuilder.

Wayne may have more bodybuilders on board with him than what they are actually saying in the press. We do not know what is going on behind the scenes. Wayne may have not been very well liked when he was with the IFBB but he did know how to throw one hell of a show!!!! All of the pro's that were belly aching about him and the IFBB could have gone to other organizations but they didnt.... If those bodybuilders were in so much demand their names would have carried a less non-IFBB show.

[kmhphoto]

And that's fine.  You're showing loyalty to your employers, which is fine.  But you'd have better served yourself by not getting involved at all.  Now you lose credibility, as you're grouped in with those IFBB YES MEN, and when the PDI does come and you cover it, you're going to look like an ass.  Sad but true!

With a stake in the IFBB's success as you're dependent upon your employer- not your ability to command a salary for your skillbase- you didn't have much of a choice. 

You're not a free agent.  You can't be honest here. 

While I would agree that a persons opinions can be influenced by their loyatlies, in this case you are incorrect. I am not employed by the IFBB, AMI/Weider or anyone else. I am in fact the free agent that you say I'm not.
Your assumption about me looking an ass is also wrong. I'm scaling down my work for FLEX in the future so it won't be me covering any PDI shows.
So does my having less of a financial return from this business make my opinions more valid?
When the impending launch of the PDI is still being discussed in 2007 and I am not working for any bodybuilding magazine, will you then still accuse me of being biased or will you respect the fact that someone may actually think for themselves?

[240 is Back]

Well, I apologize for making that assumption.  Why the strong public rebuke for the PDI though, when it'll mean more opportunity for work, for a free agent like you?  And aren't you nervous that your bashing now will mean you might get passed over for a lesser/equal photog later who hasn't publicly doubted Wayne?

[kmhphoto]

  If a new Operating System came out today that was better, faster, more reliable, and cheaper than Windows (and compatable with Office) it would receive major media coverage (well, on FOXnews at least), and firms would purchase it to gain a competitive advantage over their competitors.

It's already available, it's called OSX and is installed on every new Apple computer.

[240 is Back]

It's already available, it's called OSX and is installed on every new Apple computer.

yes, but if there was an option that read 'Click here for XP visual format'- to match what we've all had 20 years of training in, and it cost less, people would buy it.  But as long as the learning curve is too steep and software is incompatiable and people have to change the way they work, it won't happen.

If apple would let the user download an option from a 3rd party which let the interface match Win XP, we'd be talking.  But even then, MS' production capacity and efficiency is probably untouchable, so Apple would be selling at a loss.  MS is the Walmart of the industry- and Mac is better off working as a profitable specialty groc store than as a lowcost superstore.