Author Topic: Ron's tough interview with Wayne DeMilia (Read 35380 times)

DIVISION · « **Reply #125 on:** April 22, 2006, 08:07:11 PM »

Quote from: johnnytosh on April 22, 2006, 07:57:33 PM

RON was off base referring to Wayne as "COLD".. I doubt he ever actually dealt with Wayne directly.

Ronald speaks from the heart.

If says Wayne is cold, that speaks volumes of Wayne's coldness.

The nugga is cold.

What else do you want?

DIV

johnnytosh · « **Reply #126 on:** April 22, 2006, 08:13:46 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on April 22, 2006, 09:54:11 AM

MS has won because of a superior marketing strategy, but this took place in an era before informaiton was so freely available. If a new Operating System came out today that was better, faster, more reliable, and cheaper than Windows (and compatable with Office) it would receive major media coverage (well, on FOXnews at least), and firms would purchase it to gain a competitive advantage over their competitors.

Likewise, supp companies will see Wayne's PDI as a chance to have their product/brand associated with something NEW. There is nothing new about another Ronnie-Cutler-Gustavo finish at the O. There is nothing new about a Bob Chick masters pro win with with straight 1s in every category. But there is a series of firsts coming for the PDI!

i AGREE that first in the mindset is often the cause for success, but only because newer firms fail to carve their own niche- they prefer to try to BEAT an established #1- which doesn't work. Apple found NEW success in the last 5 years- how? By niching themselves into the IPOD/Mac lover arena- and ending competing with MS, which they just cannot do, as econ of scale have MS killing them in production efficiency. But Apple has great success now with IPOD and personal media products. Likewise, Wayne is not trying to be the next IFBB. He's trying to be the FIRST PDI- a BBing organization focused upon aesthetics and entertaining shows- which the IFBB is definitely not.

Excellent point 240 !!

LuciusFox · « **Reply #127 on:** April 22, 2006, 08:39:19 PM »

Quote from: johnnytosh on April 22, 2006, 07:57:33 PM

I have to dis-agree with you Lucius.

You need to understand that bodybuilding contests are NOT like the NFL, NBA, MLB.
The sport simply does NOT generate enough $$ to have staffs of people working on the events.. Therefore, you end up many times speaking directly to the promoter's of the show. You get their cell phones, or their e-mails..

I have spoken to Wayne Demilia Personally many times-simply because I was a VIP ticket purchaser for the Olympia for 4 years. The guy is real & down to earth, and he WORKS his ass off to personally promote the shows.

Just like circa 1980 when I called the phone number advertised for the Mr. Olympia contest in the Muscle Magazine, and lo & behold-Jim Lorimer answered, and was very patient with me, and answered all my questions. TRUE- at the time, I was a little suprised that Lorimer himself answered, but I have come to understand that's the nature of the beast.

The Actual Promoter has to get down & dirty & get things done. Is this a little strange ? Compared to the NFL it may be... But it is certainly not un-professional.

There aren't layers & layers of secretaries & administraive people just sitting around, waiting to answer the phone. That is really the beauty of the whole thing !!
You end up dealing DIRECTLY with the promoter.

In my many dealings with Wayne Demilia, he was ALWAYS gracious, accessible, fair & warm. His word was Gold. It was nice actually buying my tickets from Demilia himself. He is one of the most honest & straitforward people I have ever met in my life.

RON was off base referring to Wayne as "COLD".. I doubt he ever actually dealt with Wayne directly. In fact, I am SURE he didn't know Wayne that well when Wayne was promoting the shows. I may be wrong, I would like to know If Ron actually dealt with Wayne going back 5-12 years ago, or if Ron had merely "heard" that from other people.

Wayne ran a tight ship, he had the balls to fine the athletes when they earned a fine. I remember Wayne fining Dorian $5,000 for not showing up at the post Olympia banquet one year.

BB would be a much better sport if Wayne was running some shows again..

-John McIntosh

I'm sure Wayne is quite professional. I was saying that the yahoo email account gives the appearance of being unprofessional. Kind of like a law firm that was advertising on television and had a hotmail account

onlyme · « **Reply #128 on:** April 22, 2006, 10:13:43 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on April 22, 2006, 04:10:54 PM

what do you mean 20 years? Windows 3 was different than DOS, NT was different than W-3, 2000 was slightly different, XP is slightly different, and Vista is suppose to be very different.

btw, Mac OS X 10.5 is rumored to have the Windows API built in, so application developer can just recompile their code, rather than rewriting it.

I did the 2nd Apple Computer commercial they ever did. It was aweesome. It first aired during the 1987 World Series. Some of the best sound and cinematography of any commercial.

Ron · « **Reply #129 on:** April 22, 2006, 11:14:55 PM »

I ask what I want to ask, and if they reply, that is fine with me. While I stay out of personal questions, not too much, if I get the permission to ask some questions, you just watch me go. Now, I don't work nor get paid from the NPC, IFBB, PDI or any organization at all. So I can ask what I want to ask.

If I had the time, I would do more stuff - soon, though...

240 is Back · « **Reply #130 on:** April 22, 2006, 11:16:37 PM »

Quote from: Ron on April 22, 2006, 11:14:55 PM

If I had the time, I would do more stuff - soon, though...

You should appoint an assistant to do all the legwork for you. Web pages cleanup, typing and cleaning up text... i know just the guy

onlyme · « **Reply #131 on:** April 23, 2006, 02:22:57 AM »

Quote from: Ron on April 22, 2006, 11:14:55 PM

Now, I don't work nor get paid from the NPC, IFBB, PDI or any organization at all. So I can ask what I want to ask.

If I had the time, I would do more stuff - soon, though...

Jeez Ron, you sound like the IFBB, NPC and Getbig Rep.

DIVISION · « **Reply #132 on:** April 23, 2006, 02:33:07 AM »

Quote from: onlyme on April 23, 2006, 02:22:57 AM

Jeez Ron, you sound like the IFBB, NPC and Getbig Rep.

Ron has connections.

More than Bob Chick most likely.

DIV

onlyme · « **Reply #133 on:** April 23, 2006, 02:57:56 AM »

Quote from: kmhphoto on April 22, 2006, 04:23:49 PM

It was the 2004 Night of the Champions. Wayne had "left" the IFBB and was making noises then about his new organisation. At the show all his people wore this

http://www.getbig.com/pics/noc/2004/misc/prodivshirt.htm.

Wayne thought he would be able to take over from the IFBB. Shortly after the NOC he turned up at the Hungarian show looking for support from the European officials and expecting that show to be a PDI event. A meeting was called and he was told that they would not be backing him. So at that time, Wayne was at the height of his involvement with the sport but was unable to find the support required to continue and that was the end of the PDI.

When it was announced that it was returning I asked, What has changed? Where is the support now?

As for the lighting at shows - I'm always bitching about it!

Somewheere on here is the transcript from the IFBB atheltes meeting of that with the IFBB Officials. If you notice all the titles of nearly everyone was IFBB Pro Division (title). Those shirts had nothing to do with Pro Division Inc. or it would have Pro Division Inc. God you guys are really strecthing your shit now.

kmhphoto · « **Reply #134 on:** April 23, 2006, 03:36:58 AM »

Quote from: onlyme on April 23, 2006, 02:57:56 AM

Somewheere on here is the transcript from the IFBB atheltes meeting of that with the IFBB Officials. If you notice all the titles of nearly everyone was IFBB Pro Division (title). Those shirts had nothing to do with Pro Division Inc. or it would have Pro Division Inc. God you guys are really strecthing your shit now.

Are you saying that Wayne did not try to lainch his Pro Division at the 2004 NOC. What about the meeting in Hungary, did that not happen either?

timfogarty · « **Reply #135 on:** April 23, 2006, 05:17:21 AM »

Quote from: LuciusFox on April 22, 2006, 08:39:19 PM

I'm sure Wayne is quite professional. I was saying that the yahoo email account gives the appearance of being unprofessional.

I agree. There is no way to verify a yahoo, hotmail, gmail, etc., address is the person they say they are. With a domain name, there is a registered owner. Domain names are under $15 per year. Hosting can be gotten for under $100 a year. (such as with me! php, mysql, tomcat, unlimited email addresses, subdomains.)

onlyme · « **Reply #136 on:** April 23, 2006, 11:07:50 AM »

Quote from: kmhphoto on April 23, 2006, 03:36:58 AM

Are you saying that Wayne did not try to lainch his Pro Division at the 2004 NOC. What about the meeting in Hungary, did that not happen either?

I have no idea about the Hungary thing that is why I didn't mention anything about it. That is the difference between you and me. I generally won't say anything about something unless I know about it. Post up the transcipt I am talking about and look at the roll call. Everyone has Pro Division in front of their name and title. Gotta quit reaching Kev. You are fighting a losing battle.

Tre · « **Reply #137 on:** April 23, 2006, 11:38:46 AM »

Quote from: kmhphoto on April 23, 2006, 03:36:58 AM

Are you saying that Wayne did not try to lainch his Pro Division at the 2004 NOC. What about the meeting in Hungary, did that not happen either?

I don't know what happened in Hungary, but what I do know is that Mr. Pecker (I believe he's your guy, not sure) had contacted Wayne and at least one other top IFBB promoter and asked, 'Why are we paying the Weiders all this money just for sanctioning fees each year? What do we need them for?' or words to that effect.

kmhphoto · « **Reply #138 on:** April 23, 2006, 12:01:18 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on April 23, 2006, 11:07:50 AM

I have no idea about the Hungary thing that is why I didn't mention anything about it. That is the difference between you and me. I generally won't say anything about something unless I know about it. Post up the transcipt I am talking about and look at the roll call. Everyone has Pro Division in front of their name and title. Gotta quit reaching Kev. You are fighting a losing battle. At sometime you are going to have to roll over and die. Just try to make it sooner than later.

You also have no idea about the NOC either, but why should you, you wasn't there?
Well I was - and in Hungary - and Wayne made it quite clear to me that he was attempting to start a new organisation. When I talked with him on the phone recently I asked him why he wanted to do this all over again considering it failed 2 years ago, he said "The time is right" etc. etc. Why didn't he say "Oh no, I've never tried this before"?
I can't find the transcript you mention, do you have a link?
I think you should seek medical help because in the words of a famous bodybuilder "you have mentally problems". To wish an early death on someone just because they have a different opinion indicates a serious lack of self confidence.
Carry on in this way and I'll break my promise and photograph you from the chest down.

kmhphoto · « **Reply #139 on:** April 23, 2006, 12:04:51 PM »

Quote from: Tre on April 23, 2006, 11:38:46 AM

I don't know what happened in Hungary, but what I do know is that Mr. Pecker (I believe he's your guy, not sure) had contacted Wayne and at least one other top IFBB promoter and asked, 'Why are we paying the Weiders all this money just for sanctioning fees each year? What do we need them for?' or words to that effect.

Wayne told me the exact same thing. I have no idea if there is any truth behind it.

LuciusFox · « **Reply #140 on:** April 23, 2006, 12:06:34 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on April 23, 2006, 05:17:21 AM

I agree. There is no way to verify a yahoo, hotmail, gmail, etc., address is the person they say they are. With a domain name, there is a registered owner. Domain names are under $15 per year. Hosting can be gotten for under $100 a year. (such as with me! php, mysql, tomcat, unlimited email addresses, subdomains.)

That's not expensive at all. I don't know why someone wouldn't spring for that $:-\$

artie · « **Reply #141 on:** April 23, 2006, 12:16:49 PM »

kmhphoto · « **Reply #142 on:** April 23, 2006, 12:21:06 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on April 23, 2006, 02:57:56 AM

Those shirts had nothing to do with Pro Division Inc. or it would have Pro Division Inc.

Maybe he didn't have enough money to pay the T=Shirt printer for the .Inc part, but looks like the printer did get paid to add it to the paperwork!

onlyme · « **Reply #143 on:** April 23, 2006, 01:49:53 PM »

That letter again supports what I said. The Pro Division at that time was part of the IFBB it was not a separate entity. He later decided to go separate from the IFBB since he owned the name Pro Division. They did not want to doit his way so he went off on his own. Even the email at the bottom says IFBBPD@yahoo.com

And about the email. Yahoo, Hotmail, even AOL has been around a long time. I had a Yahoo account since around 1993 or so. It is simple to setup and very reliable. It is very easy to retreive your email. Even the great Pro BB and IFBB atheletes rep has an AOL account. Like as been stated the PDI website is being built and takes times. Why would Wayne wait to have a contact email when his site isn't ready. At least the PDI website will be a place that welcomes and is built for the competitors. They will all have their own email address through the prodivisioninc.com website a forum just for the athletes and then for the public. If you have ever seen the IFBB website then I am sure you would not ridicule the lack of one for the PDI yet. The IFBB website is nothing short of embarssing.

kmhphoto · « **Reply #144 on:** April 23, 2006, 02:15:57 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on April 23, 2006, 01:49:53 PM

That letter again supports what I said. The Pro Division at that time was part of the IFBB it was not a separate entity. He later decided to go separate from the IFBB since he owned the name Pro Division. They did not want to doit his way so he went off on his own. Even the email at the bottom says IFBBPD@yahoo.com

WRONG!!!!!!
The information provided at the bottom of the letter shows Pro Division INC and was nothing to do with the IFBB Pro Division.
The 2004 NOC was held on the 22nd May - Wayne was not a part of the IFBB at that time as he'd been fired!
http://www.ifbb.com/ifbbpro/2004news/announcement2.htm

So when he turned up in Hungary 2 weeks after the NOC, he was not there as an official of the IFBB, he was hoping to gain support for his PDI. He didn't get it.

So despite your denials, the PDI is not new. We've been there before and got the T-Shirt!

Tre · « **Reply #145 on:** April 23, 2006, 02:16:50 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on April 23, 2006, 01:49:53 PM

That letter again supports what I said. The Pro Division at that time was part of the IFBB it was not a separate entity.

No, "Pro Division, Inc." - despite listing 'former' (at the time) IFBB shows, promoters, judges, etc. as being involved with it was NOT part of the IFBB.

What Kevin is saying here about that is entirely accurate. The fact is that a lot of information about what was going on at that time was never made public.

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #146 on:** April 23, 2006, 02:17:51 PM »

with some of these guys onlyme if you aint in debt with huge overhead you aint arrived

Tre · « **Reply #147 on:** April 23, 2006, 02:19:51 PM »

LOL @ got the t-shirt!

Yep, the first incarnation of Pro Division, Inc had their own t-shirts and they even had spiffy polo shirts for the judges.

There was a very strange aura in the venue that weekend and lots of questions were left unanswered. Wayne definitely was not a standing member of the IFBB at that point, but it was agreed by all parties involved that the Night of Champions would still take place AND that the top placers would be eligible for the IFBB Olympia.

kmhphoto · « **Reply #148 on:** April 23, 2006, 03:56:38 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on April 23, 2006, 11:07:50 AM

I generally won't say anything about something unless I know about it.

Must be very quiet in your house.

MB · « **Reply #149 on:** April 23, 2006, 05:44:22 PM »

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In my many dealings with Wayne Demilia, he was ALWAYS gracious, accessible, fair & warm. His word was Gold. It was nice actually buying my tickets from Demilia himself. He is one of the most honest & straitforward people I have ever met in my life.

I have to agree with this. I've purchased many VIP tickets from Wayne over the years and he was easy to deal with, fair, and accessible. He was always available for questioning at the Olympia press conferences and again at the Sunday morning seminars. Where is the Olympia promoter nowadays? No one in the IFBB/AMI has the integrity to present themselves. They're afraid to take any criticism. It's easy to hide away and not be seen as cold, but I'd rather deal with a no nonsense promoter who is accessible and willing to stand behind his show.