Ted Nugent former covid-19 denier ,gets Covid

[Tapeworm]

This site is far better when you are not posting.

To be fair, he doesn't seem to support the police holding you down and injecting you even though he believes unvaccinated people are a source of potentially dangerous mutations.

It's my own position, as well. I've offered my own reasoning and I'm hoping to hear his.

We're going to need these rebuttals before long.

[Soul Crusher]

To be fair, he doesn't seem to support the police holding you down and injecting you even though he believes unvaccinated people are a source of potentially dangerous mutations.

It's my own position, as well. I've offered my own reasoning and I'm hoping to hear his.

We're going to need these rebuttals before long.

He is just annoying and rambling and a clown. 

[Matt]

I know you and those you agree with on this issue , honestly feel you're better informed and know the real truth.
Maybe? But I doubt it and I've seen this kind of thinking before.

In my observation and OPINION , it's the same type that thought Y2K would result in doomsday in 2000.
It's the same types that promoted the Mayan Doomsday scenario that would end the world in 2012.
These are the prepper types that feel smarter then the rest of us , by getting ready for the next apocalypse .

I'll openly admit, I'm not 100% sure the vaccine I took, along with 200 million Americans in 100% safe.
To me, it comes down to going with the  best shot to get thru a problem.

I know many like you call me a "sheep" and say I go along with the herd, never thinking outside the box.
Fair enough based on my lifestyle, but, I still THINK and make judgements.

At the end of the day, my NINTH wife and I have done just fine living by "the system" here in the USA.

We may disagree, but I honestly find your posts interesting. It's obvious you've put some serious thought into them.
I simply don't think the vaccine provides a risk to 99.99% of those who take it.

Fixed. 

Matt, I'll be 63 this year and have been married 3x. The 9 wives stuff is a self deprecating joke.

Glad to hear you're doing well and still training hard up there in the Northern Tundra.
Just don't do bent over rows when a large male moose is outside your gym 

Is it possible you've been married so many times that even YOU have forgotten the correct number? 

But on a serious note, I thought you had more than three wives because that's what I read here on the boards.

For perspective, you are the primary source of the correct information, which is actually only three wives.

So I hope you can see why I only go to primary source data. All the other data is useless. I will never go to it.

Same with for Covid-19 information - I only go to primary sources, which all verifies that COVID is a joke.

[Howard]

Don't take it personally, man. I'm not criticizing your own reasoning. It's pretty clear that you're just repeating what you've heard with regard to unvaxed people producing mutations.

And while you might not agree with mandatory vaxing, surely you can see that's where that line of reasoning goes.

If you don't support it, it would be illuminating to hear why, since you seem to accept that unvaccinated people present a danger to everyone.

Ok, fair point and here's my analogy:

If you burn trash in your backyard, the smoke doesn't  stay on your property.
Personal freedoms don't include forcing your neighbor to endure polluted, stinky air.

Despite what you may believe, the vast majority of public health officials feel Covid is a public health crisis.
The majority of the public agrees and feels the same. Get a vaccine , be safe for others or avoid certain public places.
If you want to play in the game , you need to follow the rules .

Obviously , those on your side, believe that covid is no big deal.
Some people think you should be able to drive without a license or vote without proper ID. I don't.

[Howard]

Fixed. 

Is it possible you've been married so many times that even YOU have forgotten the correct number? 

But on a serious note, I thought you had more than three wives because that's what I read here on the boards.

For perspective, you are the primary source of the correct information, which is actually only three wives.

So I hope you can see why I only go to primary source data. All the other data is useless. I will never go to it.

Same with for Covid-19 information - I only go to primary sources, which all verifies that COVID is a joke.

Maybe the other 6 are buried beside the getbiggers who annoyed me  ? LOL

[Howard]

He is just annoying and rambling and a clown.

...like I haven't heard that from former physics students 

[Soul Crusher]

...like I haven't heard that from former physics students 

Those students deserve a refund. 

[Tapeworm]

Ok, fair point and here's my analogy:

If you burn trash in your backyard, the smoke doesn't  stay on your property.
Personal freedoms don't include forcing your neighbor to endure polluted, stinky air.

Despite what you may believe, the vast majority of public health officials feel Covid is a public health crisis.
The majority of the public agrees and feels the same. Get a vaccine , be safe for others or avoid certain public places.
If you want to play in the game , you need to follow the rules .

Obviously , those on your side, believe that covid is no big deal.
Some people think you should be able to drive without a license or vote without proper ID. I don't.

I'm confused. I had the impression you didn't support government mandated vaccination but now you sound as if you do.

No sugar coating, now. If someone refused to take the vaccine voluntarily, should they be held down by government officials and injected against their will?

[Soul Crusher]

I'm confused. I had the impression you didn't support government mandated vaccination but now you sound as if you do.

No sugar coating, now. If someone refused to take the vaccine voluntarily, should they be held down by government officials and injected against their will?

Don't feed the troll.   

[Howard]

I'm confused. I had the impression you didn't support government mandated vaccination but now you sound as if you do.

No sugar coating, now. If someone refused to take the vaccine voluntarily, should they be held down by government officials and injected against their will?

LOL, no, you don't hunt unvaccinated people down and force 'em.

If you want to travel internationally , attend certain public events , work in health care , vote or drive a car you need the proper ID or vaccine. 

For example, if you refuse to go thru security , you can't board the plane.

The vast majority don't agree with your side when it comes to covid safety. Sorry , but that's the world we all live in.

[Tapeworm]

LOL, no, you don't hunt unvaccinated people down and force 'em.

If you want to travel internationally , attend certain public events , work in health care , vote or drive a car you need the proper ID or vaccine. 

For example, if you refuse to go thru security , you can't board the plane.

The vast majority don't agree with your side when it comes to covid safety. Sorry , but that's the world we all live in.

Correct. It's about 25% last I heard.

So you wouldn't let me have a driver's license or vote. That seems odd. What's the reasoning there?

[Howard]

Correct. It's about 25% last I heard.

So you wouldn't let me have a driver's license or vote. That seems odd. What's the reasoning there?

C'mon now, you're just being obnoxious .
We already have lots of established regulations with requirements to do them.
Over 200 million Americans have gotten the vaccine and it's safe and effective.

I've known some "totally libertarian" types who live unique, independent lifestyles.
They refuse to have a drivers license, pay taxes, get vaccines,  a credit card or bank account, etc

In talks, they feel I'm trapped like a "good sheep" in a societal prison.
Ok? But, they can't legally drive, vote, own a house , car or work in most jobs, etc
In all modesty, I feel my life is a lot better overall.

Living independent from GOV rules may feel like freedom , but , it doesn't look like a nice lifestyle to me.


Question - I know you don't like getting a vaccine, but , besides being stubborn, why not get one ?

[Tapeworm]

C'mon now, you're just being obnoxious .
We already have lots of established regulations with requirements to do them.
Over 200 million Americans have gotten the vaccine and it's safe and effective.

I've known some "totally libertarian" types who live unique, independent lifestyles.
They refuse to have a drivers license, pay taxes, get vaccines,  a credit card or bank account, etc

In talks, they feel I'm trapped like a "good sheep" in a societal prison.
Ok? But, they can't legally drive, vote, own a house , car or work in most jobs, etc
In all modesty, I feel my life is a lot better overall.

Living independent from GOV rules may feel like freedom , but , it doesn't look like a nice lifestyle to me.


Question - I know you don't like getting a vaccine, but , besides being stubborn, why not get one ?

I'm a little disappointed that you won't just ok the use of force to inject people. Not to be obnoxious but I think you're just being squeamish.

It's consistent with your position of making life impossible for people who won't take the shot. Besides, force gets used all the time to stop someone from hurting someone else. You could even agrue that failing to use force to protect people would be immoral. It's like you're not even trying.



We did reasons for not taking the shot right now a day or two ago, remember? Of more interest, imo, is the right to make up your own mind.

If I take it someday, which I probably will, I wouldn't conclude that everyone else has to also. I wouldn't demote them to second class citizens. My choice is mine and theirs is theirs.

Hey, if a Martian landed and heard us talking, which one of us do you think he'd judge to be the more tolerant and liberal minded Earthling? Which one more dictatorish?

[WeightPSHR]

COVID is 99.73% survivable for people under 70. Most of us on here get our information from scientific studies, not news or political websites.

This is the part I find most frustrating when people attempt to force or encourage getting the vaccine.

I'm in excellent shape with abs. Why should I take a risk on a relatively new vaccine when worst case, I'll get cold/flu like symptoms?

I totally understand why some people in the high risk group are getting it. It makes sense for them.

[Howard]

I'm a little disappointed that you won't just ok the use of force to inject people. Not to be obnoxious but I think you're just being squeamish.

It's consistent with your position of making life impossible for people who won't take the shot. Besides, force gets used all the time to stop someone from hurting someone else. You could even agrue that failing to use force to protect people would be immoral. It's like you're not even trying.



We did reasons for not taking the shot right now a day or two ago, remember? Of more interest, imo, is the right to make up your own mind.

If I take it someday, which I probably will, I wouldn't conclude that everyone else has to also. I wouldn't demote them to second class citizens. My choice is mine and theirs is theirs.

Hey, if a Martian landed and heard us talking, which one of us do you think he'd judge to be the more tolerant and liberal minded Earthling? Which one more dictatorish?

Again, the vast majorty of public health experts think Covid is a bigger health problem then you do.
You have a right NOT to be vaccinated, but you don't have the right to pose a health risk for others in public.

[Howard]

This is the part I find most frustrating when people attempt to force or encourage getting the vaccine.

I'm in excellent shape with abs. Why should I take a risk on a relatively new vaccine when worst case, I'll get cold/flu like symptoms?

I totally understand why some people in the high risk group are getting it. It makes sense for them.

The covid virus is transmitted by air via droplets in the air exhaled. That makes it highly contagious to anyone in your space.
The majority of public health experts have concluded that younger people with few  (or no) symptoms can transmit the virus.

YOU might always be fine and stay healthy, BUT there is a chance you could become positive and  not even realize you're contagious.
In public, it's NOT just about YOU , it's also about those around you.

[Tapeworm]

Again, the vast majorty of public health experts think Covid is a bigger health problem then you do.
You have a right NOT to be vaccinated, but you don't have the right to pose a health risk for others in public.

I might as well be attacking vaccinated people with an axe in the middle of Main Street. And yet you won't permit the police to just grab me and inject me to protect them. What's the hold up here? Give the order.

Come on, Howard. No one respects a squeamish dictator.

[Soul Crusher]

The covid virus is transmitted by air via droplets in the air exhaled. That makes it highly contagious to anyone in your space.
The majority of public health experts have concluded that younger people with few  (or no) symptoms can transmit the virus.

YOU might always be fine and stay healthy, BUT there is a chance you could become positive and  not even realize you're contagious.
In public, it's NOT just about YOU , it's also about those around you.

Unless they are over 70 and have a number of co-morbidities there is zero to fear monger over, especially w a vaccine available.   Stop being a peddler of panic porn fool. 

[WeightPSHR]

The covid virus is transmitted by air via droplets in the air exhaled. That makes it highly contagious to anyone in your space.
The majority of public health experts have concluded that younger people with few  (or no) symptoms can transmit the virus.

YOU might always be fine and stay healthy, BUT there is a chance you could become positive and  not even realize you're contagious.
In public, it's NOT just about YOU , it's also about those around you.

Exactly why anyone who is at risk or doesn't want Covid should get vaccinated.

Can you explain how the above logic is selfish?

[joswift]

The covid virus is transmitted by air via droplets in the air exhaled. That makes it highly contagious to anyone in your space.
The majority of public health experts have concluded that younger people with few  (or no) symptoms can transmit the virus.

YOU might always be fine and stay healthy, BUT there is a chance you could become positive and  not even realize you're contagious.
In public, it's NOT just about YOU , it's also about those around you.

Can you explain why after millions of school children went back to school there were no rises in infections in the UK?

[Howard]

I might as well be attacking vaccinated people with an axe in the middle of Main Street. And yet you won't permit the police to just grab me and inject me to protect them. What's the hold up here? Give the order.

Come on, Howard. No one respects a squeamish dictator.

Give me a break and stop being so extreme.
Nobody is going to force you to get a vaccine.

You can't travel on a plane without going thru security . You have to wear a "hard hat" to go on a construction site.

LOL, nobody is going to hold you down and force helmet on your head.
BUT, if you want to play in a football game, you've got to wear one.

If you want to play in the game, you have to follow the rules or the refs call a foul on ya. Simple.

[Howard]

Can you explain why after millions of school children went back to school there were no rises in infections in the UK?

I'm not the vaccine police, so ask the UK public health officials .

[Howard]

Unless they are over 70 and have a number of co-morbidities there is zero to fear monger over, especially w a vaccine available.   Stop being a peddler of panic porn fool.

I disagree and prefer the advice of public health experts like Dr Fauci, the CDC and legit, established sources.

Obviously, you disagree, feel you're smarter and know better.

[Howard]

Exactly why anyone who is at risk or doesn't want Covid should get vaccinated.

Can you explain how the above logic is selfish?

Obviously you as an individual will likely be just fine .
However, if we want to eradicate the virus from the global scene we need everyone to take the vaccine.

This is how we wiped out horrible, pandemic disease like polio and small pox.

[Thin Lizzy]

Can you explain why after millions of school children went back to school there were no rises in infections in the UK?

He can’t. He’s just a main stream narrative jukebox. He would’ve been good working for the Pravda.

In New York City they were very slow to close the schools and there was never an outbreak among kids.

This is actual data not bullshit fear mongering,  see?