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Re: Israel vs. Palestine - Propaganda
« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2021, 06:58:27 PM »
Isn’t it interesting that prior to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, there was no serious movement for a Palestinian homeland?

In the Six-Day War, Israel captured Judea, Samaria, and East Jerusalem. But they didn’t capture these territories from Yasser Arafat. They captured them from Jordan’s King Hussein. I can’t help but wonder why all these Palestinians suddenly discovered their national identity after Israel won the war.

The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple, and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power.

And for nearly 20 years after Israel's creation, Jordan controlled the West Bank.  Only after it was controlled by Israel was there any meaningful outrage that there were Arab refugees in the West Bank. 

The West doesn't care much what Arabs do to each other (Saudi Arabia and Yemen didn't get around to "banning" slavery until 1962), but throw in a Jewish state and a new ethnic group, and the West can't stop criticizing that Jewish state

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« Reply #51 on: May 16, 2021, 08:00:15 PM »
That may be so for evangelicals but America supports Israel because they are one of our greatest allies and the only democratic state in the region.
Nothing to do with religion or Christianity.

America supports Israel but does the American people? If it was publicized exactly how much money Israel receives each year the people wouldn't support it as much, I don't think. Even now if you polled the people there might not be tremendous support. What is the US really getting out of it, except loss of American blood and money? There is tremendous loss of life on the other side too. We may say we don't care but I think it was disgusting when Albright said 500K loss of Iraqi childers lives was worth it for the Iraq wars. Jews demanded that war and it was shown it was all based on a lie.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/whose-war/

It's funny how Trump wanted to extricate the US from middle eastern wars. At the same time he is the biggest Israel supporter and now criticized Biden for not supporting Israel enough. But why is the US in the middle east in the first place? It is first and foremost because Israel demands it. The gulf wars were US Jewish projects, same with Afghanistan. Were Jews happy when Trump said he wanted to leave the ME? They were not. Israel and US Jewish neocons are forever demanding that the US attack Iran. "Let's you and him fight." These people were the first to stab Trump in the back also, even congratulating Biden before China and Russia did so Lol. :D

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Re: Israeli soldiers display palestinians "for sale" on Instagram
« Reply #52 on: May 16, 2021, 09:51:54 PM »
How could they have stolen their land? They occupy less than one percent of the landmass. And what do you mean they want it all? It's the Arabs that are trying to take their land. Israel doesn't want more land. They have proved it time and again by giving up territory like Gaza. They just want to be left alone.

Do you believe there should be a Jewish state or should the whole area belong to the Arabs?

Don't kill me if this is wrong, but weren't some 700,000 Arabs displaced at Israel's founding 1948? And a few 100K in the months before. Can it be said that it was absolutely just towards those people who had grown up there and the Jews that came in from the outside obviously had a right to the land? I don't see it unless you invoke religion.


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Re: Israeli soldiers display palestinians "for sale" on Instagram
« Reply #53 on: May 16, 2021, 10:50:29 PM »
Don't kill me if this is wrong, but weren't some 700,000 Arabs displaced at Israel's founding 1948? And a few 100K in the months before. Can it be said that it was absolutely just towards those people who had grown up there and the Jews that came in from the outside obviously had a right to the land? I don't see it unless you invoke religion.

Dude, you're asking questions.  No violence can come from that.  :D

After Israel declared independence/statehood, the surrounding Arab nations told (via newspapers and radio) the Arabs in Israel to leave, so that that they could push the Jews into the Mediterranean.  Several hundred thousand went to the West Bank or Gaza, FULLY expecting their Arab brothers to crush the Jews.  Jordan controlled the West Bank, and Egypt controlled Gaza.  After the first Arab-Israeli war neither Jordon nor Egypt allowed the refugees to become citizens in their countries, and Israel refused to allow them back.  If you were an Israeli in 1949, would you welcome back your Arab neighbors who expected you to be dead? 

Several hundred thousand other Arabs left Israel, immigrating to other Arabs states.

About 160,000 Arabs remained in Israel and they and their descendants are Israeli citizens today. 

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Re: Israeli soldiers display palestinians "for sale" on Instagram
« Reply #54 on: May 16, 2021, 11:20:28 PM »
Dude, you're asking questions.  No violence can come from that.  :D

After Israel declared independence/statehood, the surrounding Arab nations told (via newspapers and radio) the Arabs in Israel to leave, so that that they could push the Jews into the Mediterranean.  Several hundred thousand went to the West Bank or Gaza, FULLY expecting their Arab brothers to crush the Jews.  Jordan controlled the West Bank, and Egypt controlled Gaza.  After the first Arab-Israeli war neither Jordon nor Egypt allowed the refugees to become citizens in their countries, and Israel refused to allow them back.  If you were an Israeli in 1949, would you welcome back your Arab neighbors who expected you to be dead? 

Several hundred thousand other Arabs left Israel, immigrating to other Arabs states.

About 160,000 Arabs remained in Israel and they and their descendants are Israeli citizens today.

I can see it from the Jews' side but I'm not Jewish nor an Evangelical Christian so I don't think they necessarily have a legitimate claim to what the see as Israel, I don't care about any biblical claim.They want to expand too, whereas the UN and most of the world think they are illegally settling Gaza as it is.

You could make similar claims for Nazi's too. After Judea declared war on Germany Germans were justified in doing what they did. After all, Jews wanted to starve and kill the Germans.

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Re: Israeli soldiers display palestinians "for sale" on Instagram
« Reply #55 on: May 17, 2021, 12:20:05 AM »
I can see it from the Jews' side but I'm not Jewish nor an Evangelical Christian so I don't think they necessarily have a legitimate claim to what the see as Israel, I don't care about any biblical claim.They want to expand too, whereas the UN and most of the world think they are illegally settling Gaza as it is.

You could make similar claims for Nazi's too. After Judea declared war on Germany Germans were justified in doing what they did. After all, Jews wanted to starve and kill the Germans.

That's what happened - to Boycott Hitler's regime, Jews of the world united and used their considerable media influence to get other White-majority nations to boycott Germany.  Since 1/3 of Germany's economy was based on exports, it stood to reason that 1/3 of the population would suffer by this boycott.  Here is the Wikipedia page that outlines this vile oppression of Germans committed by Jews:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933_anti-Nazi_boycott

How did Hitler respond?  In typical, respectful and RESTRAINED fashion, Hitler boycotted Jewish businesses within Germany for one day - ONE DAY.  One April 1st, 1933, and in response to the ONGOING abuse initiated against Germans by Jews:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_boycott_of_Jewish_businesses

I would love for ANYONE to explain to me why Hitler was out of line to boycott Jewish businesses with Germany for ONE DAY, when Jews had just used their media influence and financial clout to boycott Germany PERMANENTLY - again, an act that would directly cause 1 in 3 Germans to suffer.

And yet, despite all of the continual ABUSE that Jews caused Germans, Germany still thrived.  And it was clear that all Germans had to do [and ultimately, all any White country had to - or still has to - do] is to remove Jews from positions of finance and media, and they will thrive.

Germany continued to rise as a superpower, and it wouldn't have taken that long for other White countries to realize that all they would have had to do to thrive would be to nationalize the Jewish banks and media networks, etc.

And the Jewish oligarchs couldn't allow that - so Germany had to be destroyed.

But Hitler/Germany was in much the same state of mind that I am when it comes to Jews [or just "politically corrected" groups in general, as well as SJWs] - that being, I don't want them in my life, because of continual things like this which will go on, but obviously on a personal scale and not a political scale.

If I allow Jews and other protected groups to be a big part of my life, I'm putting myself at a huge risk, because everything will be blamed on me, firstly.  Secondly, how will I benefit?  By being told lies that "diversity is a strength", and by being encouraged to support social justice initiatives which will make myself and my children/family/friends a minority in Canada, a country that White people built, and whose institutions and national evolution was created and sustained by White people?

How does ANY of that benefit me?

I am also of the mindset that anything that is not overtly/expressly anti-SJW ultimately WILL, in time...at some point, become overly SJW.

This is why I am not neutral when it comes to social justice and Cultural Marxism - I EXPLICITLY OPPOSE IT.

Unless someone can tell me HOW any of this garbage benefits me directly, I want NOTHING to do with it, and will oppose it every chance I get.

I followed the Jewish model in Canada and the West that "Racial diversity is our greatest strength", and bought into every other Marxist lie, and it led me to what would have been ruins, had I not adapted to it and overcame it.  So I avoid it completely now, as a result of my life experiences.

And - am I better off or worse off because of it?  I can answer that - I am far better off.

Just as Germany was far better off having given the Rothschild family and other elite Jews the boot from Germany.

And that's why Germany had to be destroyed - because once it was known to other White people that all of the economic problems that crackpot Jewish economics theories say are inevitable just go away when Whites run these things ourselves, other countries would have removed Jews from their institutions as well.  And it would have been a giant global domino effect, with every other country copying Germany, and ending up fine as a result.

I have rejected SJW'ism and Jewish cultural/leftist pushes on me 100%, and I am way better off for having done this.  This of course infuriates leftists [and most Jews - as does identifying Jews as being Jewish, LOL, they hate when Gentiles do that], and I'm sure they want to destroy me for every day that I openly go online using my real name and say I think Hitler was a hero.

But they know they can't do shit.

Jewish control over White Gentiles is not held up by physical means.  Not that Jews are powerless - they did have the financial clout to get OTHER WHITE FORCES to take down Hitler's forces.

But at the end of the day, they know that Whites outnumber them 60 to 1, and if the entire White tide turns against Jews, they won't stand a chance.  They are aware of this on some biological/evolutionary level.

In my case, that means that despite the fact that there are laws in Canada that could have been charged with hate speech for posting this, it's just never going to happen.  And no Jewish attorney would have me charged, because they know that it would only further "radicalize me" [apparently, being aware of Jewish crimes against humanity in the 20th century makes me a radical], so it's best to just leave me be.

But make no mistake about it - they HATE the fact that I feel the way that I do, know the things that I do, and have no problem openly stating them using my real name.  But they also know that all they have is intense psychological and social pressure to hold up their cultural narratives, and that if that pressure doesn't work on some Gentiles [me], that there is not much they can do about it.

When they get really scared is when one man [for example, Hitler - who I believe was autistic] riles up the masses of Whites to make the masses aware of Jewish crimes.  That led to pogroms against Jews throughout history, and ultimately, The Holocaust [regardless of how much it has been exaggerated, and how many outright lies Jews say about it constantly].

Of course Jews don't stand a chance against Whites in a global military conflict, despite the Jewish IQ advantage.  White men aren't exactly lacking for smarts, and as I mentioned above - we outnumber Jews 60 to 1.

They require psychological and social measures to fulfill their agendas.  When those measures stop working - they worry.  And any Jew who has read a handful of my posts knows by now that I am unsusceptible to their programming.

It makes them angry, but there is nothing they can do about it.  No doubt, some of them would destroy me if they could.

And back to Hitler and his Third Reich in Germany - that's exactly what had to happen, or else Whites would have likely all copied Germany, and kicked Jews out of their financial and media institutions.

That was Hitler's crime, IMO - just naming the Jew, and taking them out of positions of influence, and nationalizing the Rothschild banks.  The other stuff about six million Jews being killed as an express policy dreamt up by Hitler is backed up by exactly ZERO objective or written evidence.

Hitler just named Jewish influence as being negative to White nations, and ruffled the feathers of a few Jewish money lenders.  He also gave continual chances for Jews to not agitate other nations into going to war with Germany.

Yet Jews still did that, and...well...we know how that story ended...

Again, this is a man who watched as 1/3 of his economy was crippled by organized Jewish financial and media elites, and he responded by enacting a ONE DAY boycott against Jewish goods in Germany.

That is OBVIOUSLY the actions of a restrained man who wanted peace.

But Jews kept pushing it and pushing it, while Hitler kept calling for peace.  It finally got to the point where Hitler had no choice but to go to war - a war that Jews had no business sitting out of this time out, either.  And they didn't.

In the end, the Jewish financial elite won that war by the skin of their teeth, but I would say that it was about an equal loss for both Whites and Jews.

This is why I just don't get why Jews are still agitating Whites to a degree that I've never seen before with garbage like critical race theory, and policies and programs that blatantly discriminate against White people.  Why agitate White people like this, dragging White people who would otherwise just be minding their own business and riling them up to make them nationalistic?

It didn't end well last time - and it won't end well next time either, if there is a next time.

As for me - I pose zero threat to Jews, or any person of any protected group, or any SJW, providing that they leave me be.

If I get dragged into any of this SJW garbage, or find out that my livelihood will suffer directly due to refugees being relocated to my neighbourhood or something like that, I don't even know what I might do.  Insofar as this stuff doesn't directly impact me, and as far as I am able to opt out of this Cultural Marxism garbage we have going on in the West, I'll make waves with no one.

Force any of this stuff on me, charge me with a hate crime, for example - and I don't even want to know what I may be capable of doing.  I'm beyond the point of having empathy fatigue - I'm straight up just sick of it all.  And I want NOTHING to do with PC/social justice issues or White Guilt in any way.  Any leftist [whether a Jewish person or a White libtard] would be best-advised to just leave me out of it.

Now that wokeness is dragging more and more people into it [White people in particular, but more and more - just about anyone is dragged into this discussion and called "privileged"], and doing perverse things like allowing biological males like Lauren Hubbard to compete in the Olympic games in Olympic Weightlifting, all the while even harassing a transgender person like Caitlyn Jenner on TMZ, who even disagrees with how insane this is, I think it's just a matter of time before Whites just snap.

Luckily, we are [thus far] still too fat and happy for there to be any WWIII-level response.  But if that lifestyle goes away due to collapse of the supply chain or a full economic collapse, I don't even want to know what might happen.

Just seeing how nasty and hyper-nationalistic people were in YouTube comments all over a non-threat like COVID makes me wonder how Whites will act when facing an actual real threat - as was the case in Germany in the interwar period.

Only time will tell.  My suggestion to Jews and SJWs/leftists is:

Stop agitating.  Don't start a fight that you can't control.

Fantastic video that puts into context much of what was happening at the time when Hitler rose to power to become the singularly most powerful human being to have ever existed [with more individual power than any Rothschild or Warburg, or any other Jewish old money banking family dynasty could ever hope to have - and, once again, on some level, they are totally aware that they will never have the level of power that top White men do - men like Hitler who literally came out of nowhere, rising up from poverty to have the entire world bend to his will to a degree never before seen in human history]:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/fis6p176wpx8

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Re: Israel vs. Palestine - Propaganda
« Reply #56 on: May 17, 2021, 02:44:47 AM »
There's always been antisemitism in the US. Hell, when I was in school they taught us that Ben Franklin tied a big metal key onto one of them in the middle of a lightning storm. Now that ain't right. Science or not, you shouldn't be doing that kind of shit to anyone.

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« Reply #57 on: May 17, 2021, 02:50:24 AM »
Joo's are bad, Mmmkay?

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« Reply #58 on: May 17, 2021, 06:13:13 AM »
It doesnt matter what book says who owned what first, second or third.  The current owners are the ones who have the means to hold it.  It's always been that way.  People have been displaced and conquered since the beginning of history.  Claiming "ownership" means nothing unless you have the force to take it and hold it.  Currently, the Isrealis do.  Maybe someday that will change but the notion that this "this was our land" is quaint and presupposes that there's some big court in the sky that will hear your pleas and step in.  It aint gonna happen. The Indians aren't going to get their land back in the US.  The Mongols aren't going to get their land back in China.  The Inca aren't going to get their land back in South America.  They lost the war and they lost the land just like the Palestinians. 
To continue to sacrifice your generation and your children's generation to this conflict and death shows nothing more than low IQ and religious fanaticism.

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« Reply #59 on: May 17, 2021, 06:21:46 AM »
It doesnt matter what book says who owned what first, second or third.  The current owners are the ones who have the means to hold it.  It's always been that way.  People have been displaced and conquered since the beginning of history.  Claiming "ownership" means nothing unless you have the force to take it and hold it.  Currently, the Isrealis do.  Maybe someday that will change but the notion that this "this was our land" is quaint and presupposes that there's some big court in the sky that will hear your pleas and step in.  It aint gonna happen. The Indians aren't going to get their land back in the US.  The Mongols aren't going to get their land back in China.  The Inca aren't going to get their land back in South America.  They lost the war and they lost the land just like the Palestinians. 
To continue to sacrifice your generation and your children's generation to this conflict and death shows nothing more than low IQ and religious fanaticism.

So if a stranger came into your house and forced you out so they could live in it, at gun point you'd have the same attitude? If you would you would be a fucking pussy so I don't think you would so why do you expect anyone else to be happy doing so?

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Re: Israel vs. Palestine - Propaganda
« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2021, 07:22:42 AM »
So if a stranger came into your house and forced you out so they could live in it, at gun point you'd have the same attitude? If you would you would be a fucking pussy so I don't think you would so why do you expect anyone else to be happy doing so?

He'd just call the Popo and let them handle the stranger, just like Israel can call the US
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Re: Israeli soldiers display palestinians "for sale" on Instagram
« Reply #61 on: May 17, 2021, 07:30:03 AM »
How so? Have you been to Israel or know somebody that lives there? Israel was overwhelmingly pro-Trump, who has been the biggest supporter of Israel than any other President.
I'm Israeli and I and most people I know my age(anecdotal i know) think trump are trumpers are idiots

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« Reply #62 on: May 17, 2021, 09:16:20 AM »
So if a stranger came into your house and forced you out so they could live in it, at gun point you'd have the same attitude? If you would you would be a fucking pussy so I don't think you would so why do you expect anyone else to be happy doing so?
Who gives a shit if anyone is happy??  If someone forces their way into my house and I dont have the force to repel them or the means to gather extra forces (police) to repel them then I lost it.  Welcome to the world as it is.  You don't like it go cry in the corner.  What I won't do is spend my life, fortune, and kid's life and fortune trying to get it back.  It's just a house on a piece of land...but by all means...bitch and moan about how unfair life is....

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Re: Israeli soldiers display palestinians "for sale" on Instagram
« Reply #63 on: May 17, 2021, 10:02:29 AM »
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Re: Israel vs. Palestine - Propaganda
« Reply #64 on: May 17, 2021, 10:52:35 AM »
Biden administration approved $735 million arms sale to Israel.  Does the 735 come from the 20 bil they already get free of charge?

Palestine ???

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« Reply #65 on: May 17, 2021, 10:53:09 AM »
It doesnt matter what book says who owned what first, second or third.  The current owners are the ones who have the means to hold it.  It's always been that way.  People have been displaced and conquered since the beginning of history.  Claiming "ownership" means nothing unless you have the force to take it and hold it.  Currently, the Isrealis do.  Maybe someday that will change but the notion that this "this was our land" is quaint and presupposes that there's some big court in the sky that will hear your pleas and step in.  It aint gonna happen. The Indians aren't going to get their land back in the US.  The Mongols aren't going to get their land back in China.  The Inca aren't going to get their land back in South America.  They lost the war and they lost the land just like the Palestinians. 
To continue to sacrifice your generation and your children's generation to this conflict and death shows nothing more than low IQ and religious fanaticism.
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« Reply #66 on: May 17, 2021, 04:43:41 PM »
It doesnt matter what book says who owned what first, second or third.  The current owners are the ones who have the means to hold it.  It's always been that way.  People have been displaced and conquered since the beginning of history.  Claiming "ownership" means nothing unless you have the force to take it and hold it.  Currently, the Isrealis do.  Maybe someday that will change but the notion that this "this was our land" is quaint and presupposes that there's some big court in the sky that will hear your pleas and step in.  It aint gonna happen. The Indians aren't going to get their land back in the US.  The Mongols aren't going to get their land back in China.  The Inca aren't going to get their land back in South America.  They lost the war and they lost the land just like the Palestinians. 
To continue to sacrifice your generation and your children's generation to this conflict and death shows nothing more than low IQ and religious fanaticism.

I'm inclined to agree with this, but people on both sides talk about morality and right or wrong. This type of "might is right" thinking doesn't sit well with most people.

I don't know if the Palestinians presistence and "ins'allah" thinking is to be admired or pitied. They think in the end they will win. Same as many other groups, sacrificing for principles.

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« Reply #67 on: May 17, 2021, 05:29:34 PM »
I'm inclined to agree with this, but people on both sides talk about morality and right or wrong. This type of "might is right" thinking doesn't sit well with most people.

I don't know if the Palestinians presistence and "ins'allah" thinking is to be admired or pitied. They think in the end they will win. Same as many other groups, sacrificing for principles.

Muslimes are wicked.  Their "faith" demands it.  "inshallah" means, "if allah wills it". 

Fuck "allah".

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« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2021, 08:06:14 PM »
How so? Have you been to Israel or know somebody that lives there? Israel was overwhelmingly pro-Trump, who has been the biggest supporter of Israel than any other President.

Umm no. I’ve been to Israel and they mock trump.  The gov liked him but the people think Trump is an idiot.

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« Reply #69 on: May 17, 2021, 10:59:49 PM »
Muslimes are wicked.  Their "faith" demands it.  "inshallah" means, "if allah wills it". 

Fuck "allah".

I am no friend of Islam. It, and they, should stay out of the west. But if I could say something charitable about it, is that Islam is a masculine and muscular ideology, unlike the emasculated Christianity of today. Muslims really believe, most Christians today believe in nothing. Or they believe in trannies, HBTQ, accepting any ridicule and disrespect of God and Jesus. Really, what do most Christians in the west believe? Seems like the strongest tenet is supporting Israel. That muslims really believe is actually the strongest argument of keeping it out of the west. Islam resists reformation. What is the response of 99% of muslims to homosexuality and female Imams etc? That's right. :D
What's ridiculous is the west saying they love Islam and how it's a religion of peace, but then are upset when the immigrants live like Muslims and keep their faith. Oh, if we just accept the Muslims into the west they will shed all the unpalatable aspects of Islam, the violent reactions to disrespect of their prophet, the homophobia, and they will become just like us, with nothing left of their faith.  :D

But this sacrificing of self has not been something just Muslims believe. Zionist Jews begged the Nazis to make life as hard on the Jews in Nazi Germany as possible, to make them emigrate to Israel. But no price was too high to pay for the promise, for some Jews. Holocaust means "burnt offering." Through the millennia Jews have kept coming, despite being unwanted anywhere and discrimated against.

Christians sacrificed themselves to the lions but didn't denounce their faith. Same with the Christians in today's Syria, despite being massacred by radicals like Isis, who are Israel backed by the way. Israel is helping to cause a Christian Holocaust. Christians maintain a precence in Israel despite apparently being pretty unwanted. Depending on how you interpret the law Christian proselytizing can be illegal in Israel. Christianity would never be allowed to grow past a certain point for obvious reasons.

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Re: Israeli soldiers display palestinians "for sale" on Instagram
« Reply #70 on: May 18, 2021, 12:32:15 AM »
America supports Israel but does the American people? If it was publicized exactly how much money Israel receives each year the people wouldn't support it as much, I don't think. Even now if you polled the people there might not be tremendous support. What is the US really getting out of it, except loss of American blood and money? There is tremendous loss of life on the other side too. We may say we don't care but I think it was disgusting when Albright said 500K loss of Iraqi childers lives was worth it for the Iraq wars. Jews demanded that war and it was shown it was all based on a lie.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/whose-war/

It's funny how Trump wanted to extricate the US from middle eastern wars. At the same time he is the biggest Israel supporter and now criticized Biden for not supporting Israel enough. But why is the US in the middle east in the first place? It is first and foremost because Israel demands it. The gulf wars were US Jewish projects, same with Afghanistan. Were Jews happy when Trump said he wanted to leave the ME? They were not. Israel and US Jewish neocons are forever demanding that the US attack Iran. "Let's you and him fight." These people were the first to stab Trump in the back also, even congratulating Biden before China and Russia did so Lol. :D

The American people overwhelmingly support Israel over Arabs, over Muslims. You live in Europe where anti-Semitism is ingrained in the culture. It is no secret how much money we give Israel. I am ambivalent as to how much, if any, foreign aid we should be giving to anybody. But Israel is an important ally and the only democratic state in the region. More Americans would take issue with the aid we give to Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, and others.

And what is the U.S. getting out of their support for Israel? Great question!
Just like with Vietnam and Korea, Israel has nothing to give us. No oil, land, or other resources that we need from them. It would be so much easier and enhance our status in the world if we were to just turn our backs on that tiny little democratic country. They are a continual thorn in our side and the cause of so much trouble and hatred toward our country. But we support them anyway. Why? Because it's the right thing to do. We are not going to sit by and allow another holocaust. Their enemies want them destroyed. It's in their national charter. They do not recognize Israel's right to exist. Israel has made real tangible concessions, the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza strip; Arabs are free to live, worship, and serve in government in Israel. Jews are not allowed to exist in the Arab world. This is one of the reasons why I say America is a force for good in this world. I know many, many people; many on this very board, mock this notion. They feel just the opposite. That America is the cause of most of the trouble in this world. But just imagine a world if there was never a United States. Facism, Nazism, Communism. Take your pick.

And its nonsense. Utter nonsense that the Gulf wars were "Jewish projects". We didn't need Israel to tell use to stop Iraq from invading Kuwait and stand in Hussein's way to controlling the entire Middle East oil supply.

And it's not just Jews that want America to keep the threat, and be willing to execute, a war with Iran. There is no way on heaven and earth can we allow Iran to develop nuclear weapons. We either stop then now or we are at their mercy in the future. And they have made their intentions crystal clear.

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Re: Israeli soldiers display palestinians "for sale" on Instagram
« Reply #71 on: May 18, 2021, 12:42:29 AM »
Don't kill me if this is wrong, but weren't some 700,000 Arabs displaced at Israel's founding 1948? And a few 100K in the months before. Can it be said that it was absolutely just towards those people who had grown up there and the Jews that came in from the outside obviously had a right to the land? I don't see it unless you invoke religion.

It's true that Arabs fled or were expelled during the 1948 war. Again, I repeat, the 1948 war.

There is nary a square inch on this planet that hasn't been conquered and unconquered and claimed. Should the U.S. give back California and Texas back to the Mexicans? Should Hawaii, and there is a constant movement for this, declare it's independence.

The real question, and the only one that matters, is what do you think Israel should do now? What can they do to prevent further attacks on their country? Arabs occupy over 99% of the landmass. Why isn't that enough? How much more land can Israel surrender before they get peace?

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« Reply #72 on: May 18, 2021, 12:45:20 AM »
Dude, you're asking questions.  No violence can come from that.  :D

After Israel declared independence/statehood, the surrounding Arab nations told (via newspapers and radio) the Arabs in Israel to leave, so that that they could push the Jews into the Mediterranean.  Several hundred thousand went to the West Bank or Gaza, FULLY expecting their Arab brothers to crush the Jews.  Jordan controlled the West Bank, and Egypt controlled Gaza.  After the first Arab-Israeli war neither Jordon nor Egypt allowed the refugees to become citizens in their countries, and Israel refused to allow them back.  If you were an Israeli in 1949, would you welcome back your Arab neighbors who expected you to be dead? 

Several hundred thousand other Arabs left Israel, immigrating to other Arabs states.

About 160,000 Arabs remained in Israel and they and their descendants are Israeli citizens today.

Excellent! Much better argument base on indisputable facts. Especially the point about how other Arab countries refuse to take these Arab refugees. A very important point that is hardly mentioned nowadays. Even I forgot about that.

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Re: Israel vs. Palestine - Propaganda
« Reply #73 on: May 18, 2021, 12:49:08 AM »
Palestine does not exist, point simple, point blank. I am just amazed how patient Israel is with these savages...

Exactly! Just a made-up State. As I said, there is no such thing as Palestinians, Palestinians as a district race or ethnicity, no Palestinian culture or language. They are Arabs pure and simple.

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« Reply #74 on: May 18, 2021, 12:50:26 AM »
It doesnt matter what book says who owned what first, second or third.  The current owners are the ones who have the means to hold it.  It's always been that way.  People have been displaced and conquered since the beginning of history.  Claiming "ownership" means nothing unless you have the force to take it and hold it.  Currently, the Isrealis do.  Maybe someday that will change but the notion that this "this was our land" is quaint and presupposes that there's some big court in the sky that will hear your pleas and step in.  It aint gonna happen. The Indians aren't going to get their land back in the US.  The Mongols aren't going to get their land back in China.  The Inca aren't going to get their land back in South America.  They lost the war and they lost the land just like the Palestinians. 
To continue to sacrifice your generation and your children's generation to this conflict and death shows nothing more than low IQ and religious fanaticism.

Another insightful perspective.