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Re: Israel vs. Palestine - Propaganda
« Reply #100 on: May 18, 2021, 06:28:21 PM »
This is precisely why Israel and anyone who loves or cares about Israel needs to get behind a fair two state solution.  Allowing them to continue down the road of apartheid and land grabbing is going to backfire in the long run.

This so hard, it's not just about winning it's about dignity, and the kind of behavior the right wing party engages in is supposed to be beneath us. There's a quote, it's something like "my grandmother did not escape auschwitz for us to bomb children." Thankfully it seems that the younger generation(on both sides) are more keen on peace

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« Reply #101 on: May 18, 2021, 07:00:58 PM »
Then the Arabs can give their fellow Arabs some land far, far, far, far, far, far, fuckin' far away from Israel and the Palestinians can go live there and see if their lazy ass, worthless mooslime turdlings can make a go of it.  But...

...I doubt it.  ;D

Egypt, Jordan & Syria don't want 'palestinians' , remember what's happened to Arafat & PLO  :D !.

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« Reply #102 on: May 18, 2021, 07:04:53 PM »
Egypt, Jordan & Syria don't want 'palestinians' , remember what's happened to Arafat & PLO  :D !.

Yup.   ;D Like I said - "...I doubt it."  ;D

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« Reply #103 on: May 18, 2021, 07:10:06 PM »
No, USA won't be the greatest superpower forever.  If the next superpower doesn't feel supporting Israel is in it's best interests, then Israel will be in a very precarious position.  It is a small country highly dependent on outside support - monetary, military, and political.  This is only my personal opinion.  I have no inherent interest in either side.  We (USA) have obvious reasons to support Israel, but at some point the scales will tip and the risks will outweigh the rewards. 

You bring up learning Chinese.  There is a somewhat similar situation with Taiwan.  I think at some point our mandatory/obligatory defense of Taiwan will not be feasible.  China will eventually get what they want, they're too big and too close to Taiwan for us to want to risk it all to support them.

To take Taiwan , China needs to take Guam & US bases in Okinawa ?.

Only 5 weeks ago , Taiwan Air Force confronted 25 Chinese jets & Chings shitted themselves !.

Time of massive conventional armies is gone , it's time of hypersonics & drones !.

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« Reply #104 on: May 18, 2021, 07:15:24 PM »
They didn’t start any wars. Biden gave them $250mil in that fake $2trillion “stimulus” and this is what’s it’s being used for....to attack Israel. Biden literally funded terrorists....again. Nothing like shitting on our allies

Yeah, no palestinian in Gaza noticed delivery of 1000's Iranian rockets & nobody notice positioning of those rockets around schools/hospitals !.

Without Iran's support , HAMAS is fucked !.

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Re: Israel vs. Palestine - Propaganda
« Reply #105 on: May 18, 2021, 08:35:18 PM »
To take Taiwan , China needs to take Guam & US bases in Okinawa ?.

Only 5 weeks ago , Taiwan Air Force confronted 25 Chinese jets & Chings shitted themselves !.

Time of massive conventional armies is gone , it's time of hypersonics & drones !.

And the vast and literal high ground of space.  The CCP has a plan for that, so we best get to it.

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« Reply #106 on: May 19, 2021, 03:29:45 AM »
Most people don't understand much about anything. Or more correctly, they don't care. They worry about immediate concerns that affect their daily lives.

Is there an inherent bias against Israel in Europe? Well maybe but maybe not. In Sweden the media is very Jewish, just like in the US. So if there is an anti-Israel sentiment it's manufactured by Jews. Bonnier, a Jewish family, owns half the newspapers here. So as you can imagine, they are critical of Israel only up to a point.

Sweden really mirrors the US. No political party here is going to put any type of real pressure on Israel. They may complain a little and urge non-aggression in Israel but that's where it stops.

The main stream media, which are overwhelmingly Left of center, may be run by Jews but they are not pro-Israel.

I don't know where you get this "manufactured by Jews" notion.

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« Reply #107 on: May 19, 2021, 03:31:33 AM »
This is precisely why Israel and anyone who loves or cares about Israel needs to get behind a fair two state solution.  Allowing them to continue down the road of apartheid and land grabbing is going to backfire in the long run.

Who are you talking about? Who is doing land grabbing and a policy of apartheid?

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« Reply #108 on: May 19, 2021, 03:40:48 AM »
I'm speculating wildly, though have seen some supporting evidence, that they didn't want Bin Laden right off the bat. Was the Afghan invasion really necessary to get Bin Laden? It was a special ops team that got him in Pakistan in the end.
There have been reports that earlier presidents called off missions to get Bin Laden when they had solid evidence of his whereabouts.
Also, the Taliban said that they would hand over Bin Laden if the US presented solid evidence of his guilt. I admit this may be silly but it's curious nonetheless.
And why didn't the US go after Saudi Arabia where the highjackers actually came from and who reportedly financed the whole 9/11 operation? We know why, it's political.

And what has the Afghan war netted in real terms? The Taliban are stronger than ever! Lol. And are the Taliban any kind of threat to the US? I doubt it.

Some have said that this troop withdrawal is a bunch of political theater, by years end there will be more troops in Afghanistan than now. I bet this is what will happen. Some kind of reason for not going through with it will be found, probably involving heavy lobbying by Israel Lol.

As far as Israel's values and interests contra US values and interests, it's huge topic and not one I can claim to understand with any real depth. But Israel and US are supposed to be two different countries. Do you know how much espionage Israel conducts against the US? And that's just what has been in the news. A number of months ago they found advanced listening devices in DC that were tied to Israel. I think it was said they would try to listen in on Trump's calls etc.

In the days after 9/11 the US arrested many Israeli spies but after a couple of months they were whisked away to Israel and nothing more was heard about it. These spies were operating "moving companies" as fronts for espionage and reports indicate they may have had foreknowledge of the attacks or at least were surveiling some of the Saudis. Google "dancing Israelis" for more. If someone here has researched the topic in depth and sees nothing suspicious about these Israelis, let me know how I'm off.

And what do you think of Jonathan Pollard welcomed as a hero in Israel by Netanyahu?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55484433

And just what are the Jewish values that are shared by all Americans? I'm not an American but they promote these same values and interests here. Is it that Israel should stay a Jewish ethnonationalist country but America (and Europe) should destroy themselves via immigration of Muslims and other 3rd worlders? You know how the 1965 immigration act was another Jewish project that many say was decidedly harmful to the US. Politicians like Shapiro say they don't give a damn about the browning of America (and support the same for Europe) but they for sure don't support the browning or blackening of Israel.

I know you are against this racialist angle but I suspect you would rather live in a society with more people from some ethnicity and less from some other, whatever those groups might be. Very few don't care at all, no matter what they state publicly.




H/T Megalodon

We can go back and forth forever on history, grievances, territory, religion... but you never responded to my question which is the only thing that matters right now. What do you want or think Israel should do? Not just to end the current conflict but to have mutual peace with the Palestinians and Arabs?

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Re: Israel vs. Palestine - Propaganda
« Reply #109 on: May 19, 2021, 08:44:59 AM »
This is precisely why Israel and anyone who loves or cares about Israel needs to get behind a fair two state solution.  Allowing them to continue down the road of apartheid and land grabbing is going to backfire in the long run.

I don't think that would make peace.  I think Israel could give them half of Jerusalem, Gaza, the West Bank, and eventually they would attack Israel again.  I think it's destined for continued warfare no matter what.  IMO Israel will eventually lose because of size/demographics/dependence on outside support.  But who knows.

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Re: Israel vs. Palestine - Propaganda
« Reply #110 on: May 19, 2021, 09:24:23 AM »
I don't think that would make peace.  I think Israel could give them half of Jerusalem, Gaza, the West Bank, and eventually they would attack Israel again.  I think it's destined for continued warfare no matter what.  IMO Israel will eventually lose because of size/demographics/dependence on outside support.  But who knows.

This is a solid take. At the end of the day it’s a numbers game and wealthy countries tend to have declining birth rates.

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« Reply #111 on: May 19, 2021, 01:27:10 PM »
We can go back and forth forever on history, grievances, territory, religion... but you never responded to my question which is the only thing that matters right now. What do you want or think Israel should do? Not just to end the current conflict but to have mutual peace with the Palestinians and Arabs?

I don't know tbh. What I see happening is Israel just slowly getting a tighter and tighter grip on the contested areas. The Palestinians have lost. Their strategy now is absolutely retarded, suicidal, they are not operating in reality it seems to me. And if they did get some type of autonomy wherever I think it would be a pretty oppressive regime ruling things. I think people who see themselves as weak identify with the Palestinians. Like many leftists, they overlook the Muslims non-liberal views, because they are "oppressed" :D Kind of like leftists love the violent blacks.

If you are cynical you might think what's happening there now is a gift to the Israelis.

BTW, what kind of rockets are they using? Some have said they are shit, homemade bottle rockets that do no harm unless you are directly hit by one.


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Re: Israeli soldiers display palestinians "for sale" on Instagram
« Reply #112 on: May 19, 2021, 09:06:49 PM »
I don't know tbh. What I see happening is Israel just slowly getting a tighter and tighter grip on the contested areas. The Palestinians have lost. Their strategy now is absolutely retarded, suicidal, they are not operating in reality it seems to me. And if they did get some type of autonomy wherever I think it would be a pretty oppressive regime ruling things. I think people who see themselves as weak identify with the Palestinians. Like many leftists, they overlook the Muslims non-liberal views, because they are "oppressed" :D Kind of like leftists love the violent blacks.

If you are cynical you might think what's happening there now is a gift to the Israelis.

BTW, what kind of rockets are they using? Some have said they are shit, homemade bottle rockets that do no harm unless you are directly hit by one.

Qassams, M-75, J- 80 , some can fly to 250km, technology supplied by Iran, fuel/explosive , + 3800 fired on Israel.


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Re: Israel vs. Palestine - Propaganda
« Reply #113 on: May 19, 2021, 10:35:37 PM »
I don't think that would make peace.  I think Israel could give them half of Jerusalem, Gaza, the West Bank, and eventually they would attack Israel again.  I think it's destined for continued warfare no matter what.  IMO Israel will eventually lose because of size/demographics/dependence on outside support.  But who knows.

Israel pulled 8,000 Israelis out of Gaza in 2005 and turned the territory over to the Palestinians, which was immediately followed by rocket attacks on Israel.  The rocket attacks have continued - https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/palestinian-rocket-and-mortar-attacks-against-israel.

Elections in 2006 brought Hamas to power in Gaza.  Turning over the West Bank to the Palestinians might result (I think very likely) in Hamas taking over and what you described - they would attack Israel again.


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Re: Israeli soldiers display palestinians "for sale" on Instagram
« Reply #114 on: May 19, 2021, 11:01:48 PM »
I don't know tbh. What I see happening is Israel just slowly getting a tighter and tighter grip on the contested areas. The Palestinians have lost. Their strategy now is absolutely retarded, suicidal, they are not operating in reality it seems to me. And if they did get some type of autonomy wherever I think it would be a pretty oppressive regime ruling things. I think people who see themselves as weak identify with the Palestinians. Like many leftists, they overlook the Muslims non-liberal views, because they are "oppressed" :D Kind of like leftists love the violent blacks.

If you are cynical you might think what's happening there now is a gift to the Israelis.

BTW, what kind of rockets are they using? Some have said they are shit, homemade bottle rockets that do no harm unless you are directly hit by one.

Of course, you don't know simply because there is nothing Israel can do to end this current conflict and end this perpetual state of war short of just disappearing. You cannot have peace with someone that simply wants to destroy you. A non-negotiable policy that Israel has no right to exist. If the Palestinians, Hamas, stop firing missiles at Israel there will be peace. If Israel stop firing missiles at Palestine they will be destroyed.

International pressure and response does not allow Israel to just destroy these terrorist savages. Something they can do inside of a week. So all they can do is just continue to defend themselves when they are attack.
As far as the missiles, if these Jordanian Arabs, which is what they are, are so poor, where do they get the financing to launched these thousands of missiles? Sure a few are homemade but everyone knows or should know, that they come from Iran. And these are not "shit" missiles and do a lot of harm -- not that it matters. Anybody start firing any kind of missiles by the hundreds and thousands shit or not at Washington D.C. will get an immediate and fatal response.

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Re: Israel vs. Palestine - Propaganda
« Reply #115 on: May 19, 2021, 11:06:32 PM »
Israel pulled 8,000 Israelis out of Gaza in 2005 and turned the territory over to the Palestinians, which was immediately followed by rocket attacks on Israel.  The rocket attacks have continued - https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/palestinian-rocket-and-mortar-attacks-against-israel.

Elections in 2006 brought Hamas to power in Gaza.  Turning over the West Bank to the Palestinians might result (I think very likely) in Hamas taking over and what you described - they would attack Israel again.

Yes, and Abbas is now in his 15th year of his five-year term. Such a corrupt worthless country. How anybody can make any moral equivalence to these savages and Israel is just beyond me. It's just pure anti-Semitism. Just ingrained, cultural, hatred toward Jews.

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Re: Israeli soldiers display palestinians "for sale" on Instagram
« Reply #116 on: May 21, 2021, 07:48:25 PM »
What do you want or think Israel should do? Not just to end the current conflict but to have mutual peace with the Palestinians and Arabs?


Kill them all.


...a little harsh?

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« Reply #117 on: May 21, 2021, 10:16:01 PM »

Kill them all.


...a little harsh?

That really is the only option for Israel, again, only for Israel, to end the conflict. If my whole purpose in life is to kill you all you can do is defend yourself for the rest of your life or just kill me if you want to end it.

The Palestinians have turned down every single generous offer for peace. Once everybody realizes and accepts that it is not peace that they want but the destruction of Israel will the international community put real pressure on the Arabs. The problem is, that the vast of the international community wish Israel was just no more. They won't go as far as saying they should be exterminated but that they should just magically disappear.

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« Reply #118 on: May 21, 2021, 11:27:03 PM »
The whole fucking area should be nuked, no offence to yo pellius, you seemed to be very savvy about this whole mess, it's amazing that on this day & age we should witness shit like this with all the information out there but despite all Facts, some would rather live in the dark...Smh ???

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« Reply #119 on: May 22, 2021, 06:52:06 AM »


Israel has a right to defend herself.  Sometimes, the best defense is an overwhelming offense. 

FUCK islime.

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« Reply #120 on: May 22, 2021, 07:56:19 AM »
That really is the only option for Israel, again, only for Israel, to end the conflict. If my whole purpose in life is to kill you all you can do is defend yourself for the rest of your life or just kill me if you want to end it.

The Palestinians have turned down every single generous offer for peace. Once everybody realizes and accepts that it is not peace that they want but the destruction of Israel will the international community put real pressure on the Arabs. The problem is, that the vast of the international community wish Israel was just no more. They won't go as far as saying they should be exterminated but that they should just magically disappear.

I am not an Evangelical Christian or Jew or Mohammedan. My question to you is how much does your brand of Chritianity inform your view of who Israel belongs to?

If the Palis were peaceful would the Jews love to have them there, as citizens of Israel with no restrictions? Of course they wouldn't. They wouldn't be allowed to breed because the Jews explicitly say that would be genocide. And they are right, but let's not pretend it's a case of "people are people, doesn't matter if they are Jews or Muslims, we just want to live in peace and dance through the tulips."

It's not just peace the Jews want, same as the Muslims. Both invoke their God and history.

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« Reply #121 on: May 23, 2021, 04:56:24 AM »
That may be so for evangelicals but America supports Israel because they are one of our greatest allies and the only democratic state in the region.
Nothing to do with religion or Christianity.
has Israel sold American military hardware to the ccp?

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« Reply #122 on: May 23, 2021, 04:58:27 AM »
We’re always good...

Just take 5 min to watch this.


prager is just another ideological merchant

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« Reply #123 on: May 23, 2021, 05:35:45 AM »
has Israel sold American military hardware to the ccp?

Jews did. Maybe Israel did too?

"The Hebrew inscription on the tombstone of Abraham Leib Seborer, who died in 1971, reads “Ben Torah VeYashar Derekh” (“A righteous and just man”)."

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-the-sleepy-israeli-town-and-the-jewish-spy-who-helped-the-soviets-get-the-bomb-1.8691718

Jews protect their own, no matter what.

It is an anti-semitic canard that Jews may have double loyalties.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55484433

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« Reply #124 on: May 23, 2021, 05:57:06 AM »
prager is just another ideological merchant

Is Coach an Evangelical? Just look at their sermons, they are absolutely insane.