I don't post here often, but fuck it I'm bored and unable to sleep.
Whether or not one is a supporter of transgender rights/freedoms etc is not really the issue. Or at least not the main one. The main issue is bloody obvious - you let kids be kids. You DON'T bring complex and age inappropriate issues into their life because they aren't at an age where they can process it properly. Plain and simple.
For example you don't discuss sexuality, sex acts themselves - be they straight or any other kind, with bloody 4 year olds. Just like you wouldn't engage in sexual activity in front of your kids. It also goes for a bunch of other stuff not remotely related to gender or sexuality whatsoever.
As to specifically what age would be appropriate, you'd start to lean towards that being a matter for parents to come to their own conclusions on and have 'the talk' as they see fit at an age they see fit.
Theres a reason (and obviously the specifics vary from country to country) we have things like age of consent laws - because anyone who isn't a window licking retard can grasp the fact that a childs mind is not fully developed - not just in terms of knowledge/experience but also structurally (for want of a better term) to be remotely capable of giving proper informed consent - so that even 'if' the child agreed to this or that act, the adult is automatically guilty of rape. Similarly you don't allow them to have drivers licences, to drink alcohol (though they inevitably will, and again, it's realistically a matter for parents more than anything else). Hell its even why under a certain age children can't be charged with crimes, and then within a certain age bracket they can be charged but the penalties and requirements to prove guilt take into account a reduced capacity for being able to be quite as fully responsible for their actions and the decision making processes that lead to whatever actions.
So whats wrong with it - well perhaps no different to not having a particularly profane and controversial comedian doing their act at a pre school, only an idiot with their head in the sand paralysed from the fear of possibly doing anything less than sucking diversity's cock and exposing the fact their current virtue signalling narrative is not inviolate, would fail to see that drag queens reading out childrens stories is not without concern. I don't have a big issue with anyone who is gay reading out kids stories in general - and if anyone thinks I'm out of line suggesting that the vast majority of drag queens are gay males - feel free to contact me via PM I've got a bridge for sale. There's a few exceptions here and there but it's a fairly safe bet (not that that should be taken as a criticism either, because the fact that they are gay is in and of itself irrelevant) But going in drag is something they'd have to go out of their way to do, it's not how they'd turn up to their regular jobs (unless they are hosting a night in some club or performing I guess) and it's a deliberately over the top and unrealistic portrayal of god only knows what (so in effect they aren't just dressing as females, they are dressing and using mannerisms and speech patterns as caricatures of the most annoying nutty women one would ever encounter outside of an fat acceptance social gathering.
Does that make it easier to understand where people are coming from when they raise concerns over it?
Perhaps another example? I'm from Australia, (melbourne thank christ, nowhere near sydney which is a shithole for various reasons, though it's not specifically the people) every year we have the gay mardi gras. It's timed to line up with the first ever one there where it was more like a peaceful demonstration than a big party. And there were a bunch of gay rights activists at the time who actually had guts, and stood up, many got arrested, some were beaten up and so on. They did it respectfully and ended up changing the way gay people in general were treated both socially and legally. I don't have a problem with that. Its grown in size with the passing decades as one could imagine. So far no dramas. To the point where a lot of families go to watch the parade and take their children.
So far within reason, I'm not calling for lynchings. However, one particular year, it was perceived that our prime minister was too co-operative with then US president Bush, and one of the parade floats had displays/large effigies of Prime Minister Howard performing oral sex on effigies of President Bush.
Now THAT is fucking inappropriate and I'm honestly concerned that at the time, the parents that did attend didn't kick up a big stink about it. And why - well almost certainly the same reason - they'd be scared (and it's even worse now) that raising completely legitimate and valid concerns/criticisms would have them branded as homophobes, haters, holocaust deniers, and of course the default baseless accusation - racists, by the rabid left.
At its heart it's simply not age appropriate and no amount of bullshit rhetoric changes that.
Whilst the right are certainly no angels, the fringe elements of the left are presently a dogmatic runaway train. The pendulum swings, and I doubt anyone wants to go too far in the other direction either. but it does have to be reigned in. By which I mean we need to be able to engage in real adult frank dialogue and if it hurts a few people's delicate sensibilities, tough shite. Don't even get me started on the harm done by 'everyone gets a medal just for showing up' shit either, it's made kids weak, and with a sense of entitlement - don't work hard, just show up, taken away the natural drive to actually be competitive, to put in an effort, and then reap the benefits, , and it's gotten worse with government assistance with covid, now businesses struggle to get staff, because the government upped the welfare/unemployment benefits, that many people don't want to work, they get enough on the welfare that there's no incentive to have to put in 35-40 hrs per week just for an extra hundred dollars per week. There's nothing wrong with being gay, I don't give a fuck what consenting adults do when they are alone, I don't want it in my face, I don't want hetero couples fucking each other in front of me either thankyou. BUT there's also nothing noble or great about being gay either. Just because someone is gay, it's not (to me) a reason to put shit on them, but it IS ALSO NOT a reason for them being immune to criticism. True equality means you take your lumps just like anybody else, and you don't get to play the victim (in fact they don't have to - the left will automatically submit the victim paperwork on their behalf any chance they get any start pointing fingers so they can indulge their own hatred of anyone who isn't an oppressed minority.But I digress.
another example - jenner running for office. Personally I'd ignore who they identify as as in terms of gender (for the moment at least) and look at whether they are the best one for the job. Do they have the relevant experience and track record that they are capable of carrying out their duties if elected. Are they sufficiently trustworthy - or do they act in their own self interest. For example are they the kind of person that will stand firm if the shit hits the fan or would they leave the scene of a fatal car accident? (you know as a random hypothetical talking point)
The fact that they are transgender (for me at least) isn't a factor - as it's something they've entered into as an adult and that won't harm anyone else but themselves. (unless someone counts baby Jesus) But if that was to be taken as meaning that therefore 5 year old kids should be encouraged to transition, I'm not saying that. The idea that a 2-3 year old child has a solid grasp on their gender or their sexuality is fucking ridiculous. When I hear of kids in their mid to late teens wanting to transition - I don't know I'm in a position to answer definitively but at least thats getting to an age where there can be legitimate arguments for either side of the issue realistically presented and progress can be made.
But when you get parents raising their two year old as trans, you can bet your life they are out of their minds edgelord lefties who have lost touch with reality. Two specific cases come to mind. Charlize Theron, has a son who she claims came out as trans at 3 and has been raising as her daughter. That's absurd. Even if by some miracle it turns out to be true, she's jumping the gun, as every kid says odd stuff out of curiousity. For fucks sake if you asked me at that age, I would have legitimately identified as being a bloody canine, or possibly a wolf, because I had grow up with what amounted to a large pack of dogs, and believe it or not learned (just like any kid learns a second language if it is spoken at home, so no big deal) their body language and even what different barks/howls meant. So thank fuck she wasn't my mother, or I'd likely have had a tail surgically attached to me. IF by some quirk the kid turns out legitimately trans, that'll be more luck than anything else, but the potential for that to go wrong, especially with all the attention given to it, the kid is potentially going to be too scared to say Mum I don't want to wear a fucken dress. And let's be honest, kids of actors/celebrities notoriously end up being train wrecks at the best of times, so the future for that kid is bleak.
The second case is even more disturbing. It's a Berkeley California progressive couple who have two trans kids. Why is that bad? OK for starters if you saw either of these parents near a school you'd be worried, they look like inbred degenerates to say the least, and the mother in particular is a fucking attention whore, who is (not that this is her fault) a hideously ugly land whale who clearly has never had attention in their life that they might have had had they chosen to eat less than 40,000 calories per day and didn't have six fingers on each hand. The way she poses and positions herself in media photos, it's fucking obvious she is doing anything to be the centre of attention, it's sickening. This is a case of munchausen syndrome by proxy - where they create an illness or condition in their child so that they themselves can get attention for it. Now that is obvious just from looking at the pics. But there's something far more compelling to support my hypothesis. Whilst it's by no means 'case closed' or definitive, there is increasing evidence that the source of someone being transgender has some correlation with the amount of male hormones the embryo/foetus is exposed to. IIRC in the first trimester in particular, because it can, over and above the genetic signal from having XX or XY 23rd chromosome pairing influence whether the brain develops into a male or female brain. I suppose you could think of it like this - the chromosomes set the course, but the test, or dht levels are like strong winds that can push it off course to varying degrees. So in some kids, it won't be enough to have any noticeable effect, and in some cases it'll be enough to go beyond a certain threshold and the kid will have one body but a not quite perfectly matched brain. Obviously more test means male brain, less means female brain. Which might actually explain two things - humans natural test levels have been dropping for the last several decades - so you'd expect (if this is in fact one of the main contributing factors) more people to be coming out as transgender with the passage of time, and secondly that there'd be relatively more male to female transgender people than female to male - which apparently is the case - there tends to be about twice as many male to female transgender cases. Why is this an issue? WELL because that family in berkeley - One of the the kids is 'apparently' male to female, and the other is female to male.
The chances that the mother's hormone levels were out of whack during one pregnancy in one direction far enough to result in a male to female child, but then somehow magically then became out of whack in the exact opposite direction far enough to result in a female to male child - it's pretty much medically impossible. And that's IF someone takes the medical research as gospel in the first place.
So those parents are ABSOLUTELY guilty of pushing their children and using subtle but relentless influence to have achieved this supposed outcome. and whats worse is that this should be OBVIOUS to any physician, The girls are doing it - and risking both kids either killing themselves, or just as likely their parents when they are adults and so screwed up from being in the media spotlight due to their parents insanity - namely attention whoring edgelord behaviour . And nobody wants to challenge this depraved indifference for their childrens well being and future because again, the rabid fringe elements of the left, and the media would fucking crucify anything which dares question the delusional narrative. And of course each kid was 5 or younger respectively when they came out, so sure, a fully formed mind and all that, no reason to question it, just go right ahead because the mum and dad can feel like the in crowd (should be in jail crowd) Like I said, though, when one looks at people at the age range of their mid teens or a fraction later - thats when you can at least have a reasonable discussion and do something that actually does offer less harmful long term options. On the one hand, it's well established that the majority of teens who do experience gender dysphoria actually find they grow out of it - and it was actually a phase. Most but not all. So the last thing one would want to do is have a bunch of over enthusiastic and almost always heavily politically biased social workers (instead of what you actually need - medical professionals, and specifically experts in the admittedly not yet fully understood field - it's a medical issue not a political one) who will (perhaps unintentionally not that that makes up for the wrong doing if it takes place) rather than help assess the situation, will, in the name of being open and unoppressive instead of resistant and, I dunno, throw in the words toxic and patriarchy, white male privilege too end up influencing the kids choices, which are irreversible to some extent rather than getting to the real truth and helping the appropriate and accurate and best of all possible choices be made.. On the other side of the coin, for those whom it is not a phase, not just part of the general confusion of growing up in an ever increasingly fucked up civilization, well lets say for sake of argument those ones are in fact genuinely transgender, well the earlier they can get onto either puberty blockers (which the medical consensus seems to be around 16 years of age, and they aren't harmless drugs either, they have side effects) and then at the nearest possible and sane point in time actual hormones (test for those identifying as male, estrogen and progesterone for the females, to mimic the natural hormonal milieu) the more successful the physical outcome at least will be - namely they'll have the best chance of passing/living as that gender. The suicide rate is high even post transition, but generally it seems that those who were able to start earlier (and were correctly diagnosed) will actually be far less likely to killl themselves (not etched in stone, but generally the more convincingly they pass in the gender they identify in, the better, and that typically means starting earlier. Sadly it's still a grey area and we might never have a perfect answer. but at least there is a valid argument to be engaged in with legit issues from both sides of the issue, when it comes to that age range - mid to late teen years. But the left is criminally out of line for not at least having serious concerns about 3-5 year olds being raised trans.
For whatever it's worth, I worked a second job on weekends for pretty much my whole adult life doing nightclub door work. As a result of the sort of clubs I worked (some of the gay or gay friendly clubs actually paid better money and ironically had less trouble so it was a clever way to get a better pay rate) , and Melbourne being Melbourne (it's like some sort of cross between greenwich village and austin texas in terms of the sort of wide range of people from all different backgrounds and interests - whatever you happen to be into - if you can't find it here it doesn't exist) I've met way more than my fair share of transgender people. A lot more trans girls - and as far as I can remember maybe a handful of trans males. Some of them are batshit crazy. The girls at least - but honestly bouncing gives you an insight into the fact a lot of women are batshit crazy too and you could almost make an argument to say 'see they are real women' based on that. Of them, I'm definitely aware of one suicide. They were legit around 6'5" or 6'6" and a fairly lean 240+ lbs in the imperial weights and measures, they could have passed for that wrestler - the undertaker - in their prime - big shoulders and hands etc. So no chance in hell of ever looking like a genetic female. Though still more feminine than April Mathis to be fair... They were actually a nice enough person, always polite never did anyone any harm, and by all accounts well liked by pretty much everyone who was a regular there. But the fact they'd never look like anything other than a wrestler eventually did them in. They just dropped off the face of the earth and we heard through the grapevine a few months later that they'd infact taken their own life. I don't know that I'd necessarily consider that mental illness, I'm more inclined to think that they took a cold frank look at themselves, knew they could never live the life that the rest of us take for granted, and said to hell with it. I'll go for the early parole rather than serving consecutive life sentences. Apparently the other big issues are surgical. The female surgery works - in as much as they end up with a vag, and can have sex as such, but a number of them never orgasm after the surgery. Many do, some rarely, but some never again. On the other side, the men - they haven't perfected the strapadickto-me
surgery, and whilst test causes significant clit growth, the surgery mostly leaves them with what looks like a cock, but apparently it's small - ish and doesn't get erect. So they can piss, can orgasm but can't fuck like a biological man can. Ironically for whatever it's worth, the males seem to have less trouble attracting female partners - biological women don't seem to have any issue dating a trans guy (Most but not all of them that I can recall are hetero - in the sense that once they've transitioned, the trans males are interested in women, and most of the transgirls are interested in males) The few exceptions tended to all be the ones who transitioned much later in life. The thing that actually amused me was the trouble that the transgirls, had with relationships with males. First thing was that they actually tended to get a lot more interest if they hadn't yet had the sex chance surgery - i.e. if they still had their cock, which I found weird. The next thing was related to that. By and large they wanted to be fucked and treated like women - they wanted to be penetrated, and for the most part didn't want anyone touching their dicks during sex because it would cause them to freak out, as it was a constant reminder that they were born male, so they basically wanted to bent over and smashed in the dirtbox, or give head, But the problem they almost always had was that the guys who would hit on them, would almost all 'subtly' or delicately (not) discover if they had had the surgery and then once they got home or to the car park or wherever these guys, who otherwise acted like manly men, alpha male types - well without fail these men would all dive head first for the trans girls cock and try and suck them off, or if not that, try and get the trans girl to fuck them up the arse. This is the sort of conversations you have with people at nightclub doors, which can at least make for interesting activities to pass the time and learn something about how fucked up humans are. I initially thought they were exaggerating, but then one of the people I knew who worked at another club, who used to stop past at the one I worked at for a few hours as were open much later (in fact at that point, about a dozen or more 'patrons' were bouncers I knew from other clubs) - and to make it getbig relevant, he was a bodybuilder, and for better or worse was around the size and height of Greg Doucette (though the voice wasn't as annoying). Anyway one thing lead to another, he'd had a few drinks, probably something else as well, and I'll be fair, as likely as not given his size and leanness , a fairly large amount of test and tren at the very least. And he ends up talking to one of the trannys. Next thing you know hes heading toward the toilets with her hand in hand.. Initially I figured they were going to do coke or something, whatever. Well they were gone a good 20 -30 minutes. After they resurfaced she came up talking and so me being curious, and a bit of a smartarse, asked 'so did he fuck you' and she said 'nah it was just a blowjob' - and so again I smartarsed her and said 'did you swallow' - and her answer had me choking on the water I attempted to drink - she said 'nah he sucked me off, and he swallowed, and I tell you what, he was fucking good at it, no way he hasn't done that before'.. I'm sure she didn't make it up because he saw my reaction, and he took off out of the venue. Nobody saw him again for a few months and when queried he went pale as a ghost and said 'nothing happened, we just talked' and was honestly never the same around any of the blokes that knew him. And he was, prior to that a sort of mans mans slightly over the job, jimmy the bull pellechia type character - at least that's the way he came across.
