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Re: Manhattan grand jury indicts Trump Org and CFO
« Reply #100 on: July 03, 2021, 12:40:06 PM »
You have clearly shown that you do not know what activist or communist means.

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Re: Manhattan grand jury indicts Trump Org and CFO
« Reply #101 on: July 03, 2021, 01:37:19 PM »
I am beginning to think that Coach is so enmeshed in Trumpism that there is no hope, considering with his political perspective, he can rationally process any new input. Maybe that trip to the Christmas party in D.C. last year cemented his point of view and blind devotion so deeply that his reasoning has become impenetrable, (a steel trap if you will). How very sad. Coach is a good person who seems to have become a mindless devotee of a very evil person who when all is said and done does not give a shit about him. There's a saying that goes the bigger they are the harder they fall. That little ditty forgets to mention all those that sadly fall with their idols.

In my OPINION, Coach is only "guilty" of being an unapologetic  , dedicated republican - Trump supporter.
I suspect, Coach honestly believes that "his side" is what's best for the country.
He reasons, that his side may not be perfect, but it's much better OVERALL for America.

Coach is just giving the republican opinion without any apologies or attempt to be even handed.
MOST ( not all ) tend to be like this in everything from sports to politics , etc.

Despite what some may think of me,  at least I TRY to be objective and consider BOTH sides.
 I'm not perfectly "fair and balanced" and have my own unique slant on political issues.
 I make a valid attempt to avoid being  1 sided and maintain  independent thinking.

Remember , "the Ref" is the one guy BOTH teams boo .

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Re: Manhattan grand jury indicts Trump Org and CFO
« Reply #102 on: July 03, 2021, 02:42:01 PM »

Looks like The Demented lost that usless war in Afghanistan !.

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Re: Manhattan grand jury indicts Trump Org and CFO
« Reply #103 on: July 04, 2021, 08:04:03 AM »
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Donald Trump Jr. Concedes Felony Count In Indictment Against Dad's Company Is True.

Donald Trump Jr. has come right out and acknowledged that one of the counts in the 15-felony indictment against his dad’s Trump Organization and its chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, is true.

In a rambling 13-minute video posted to Facebook on Thursday, Junior said that, yes, his father, former President Donald Trump, paid the private school tuition for Weisselberg’s grandkids. “My dad did that,” he said, because he’s a “good guy.”
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It is amazing that someone has not told Eric and Duhnold Jr that being the executives of a company that was just indicted would be a good reason to keep their mouths shut.

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Re: Manhattan grand jury indicts Trump Org and CFO
« Reply #104 on: July 04, 2021, 09:47:08 AM »
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Donald Trump Jr. Concedes Felony Count In Indictment Against Dad's Company Is True.

Donald Trump Jr. has come right out and acknowledged that one of the counts in the 15-felony indictment against his dad’s Trump Organization and its chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, is true.

In a rambling 13-minute video posted to Facebook on Thursday, Junior said that, yes, his father, former President Donald Trump, paid the private school tuition for Weisselberg’s grandkids. “My dad did that,” he said, because he’s a “good guy.”
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It is amazing that someone has not told Eric and Duhnold Jr that being the executives of a company that was just indicted would be a good reason to keep their mouths shut.

Not sure what the point of this was. Lol

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Re: Manhattan grand jury indicts Trump Org and CFO
« Reply #105 on: July 04, 2021, 09:51:21 AM »
Not sure what the point of this was. Lol

Of course you aren't.  Mainly because it is a post related to the thread title and topic being discussed.  Which you know nothing about in that regards.

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Re: Manhattan grand jury indicts Trump Org and CFO
« Reply #106 on: July 04, 2021, 10:01:00 AM »
Of course you aren't.  Mainly because it is a post related to the thread title and topic being discussed.  Which you know nothing about in that regards.

Fringe benefits are done everyday. Corporations pay for things like this all the time. The fact that you think this a big deal is a joke in itself. If a company wants to pay for their kids tuition they can. If I chose to give one of my employees a company car, I can. Wtf is the matter with you?

Oh my God...he paid tuition for an education 🙄

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Re: Manhattan grand jury indicts Trump Org and CFO
« Reply #107 on: July 04, 2021, 01:40:18 PM »
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Donald Trump Jr. Concedes Felony Count In Indictment Against Dad's Company Is True.

Donald Trump Jr. has come right out and acknowledged that one of the counts in the 15-felony indictment against his dad’s Trump Organization and its chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, is true.

In a rambling 13-minute video posted to Facebook on Thursday, Junior said that, yes, his father, former President Donald Trump, paid the private school tuition for Weisselberg’s grandkids. “My dad did that,” he said, because he’s a “good guy.”
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It is amazing that someone has not told Eric and Duhnold Jr that being the executives of a company that was just indicted would be a good reason to keep their mouths shut.

Donald Trump Jr. should read this IRS publication before he makes anymore statements about the fringe benefits Allen Weisselberg received from the Trump Corporation.

Employer's Tax Guide to Fringe Benefits https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15b.pdf

"Are Fringe Benefits Taxable?
Any fringe benefit you provide is taxable and must be included in the recipient's pay unless the law specifically excludes it. Section 2 discusses the exclusions that apply to
certain fringe benefits. Any benefit not excluded under the
rules discussed in section 2 is taxable." Page 3

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Re: Manhattan grand jury indicts Trump Org and CFO
« Reply #108 on: July 04, 2021, 01:42:34 PM »
Donald Trump Jr. should read this IRS publication before he makes anymore statements about the fringe benefits Allen Weisselberg received from the Trump Corporation.

Employer's Tax Guide to Fringe Benefits https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15b.pdf

"Are Fringe Benefits Taxable?
Any fringe benefit you provide is taxable and must be included in the recipient's pay unless the law specifically excludes it. Section 2 discusses the exclusions that apply to
certain fringe benefits. Any benefit not excluded under the
rules discussed in section 2 is taxable." Page 3

Ok...The next time I see him I’ll tell him “primemuscle from getbig said you should read this” he’s all knowing. How many employees paychecks have you signed again?

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Re: Manhattan grand jury indicts Trump Org and CFO
« Reply #109 on: July 04, 2021, 01:57:00 PM »
Fringe benefits are done everyday. Corporations pay for things like this all the time. The fact that you think this a big deal is a joke in itself. If a company wants to pay for their kids tuition they can. If I chose to give one of my employees a company car, I can. Wtf is the matter with you?

Oh my God...he paid tuition for an education 🙄

Yes you can give an employee a company car and yes you can pay tuition for an employee's grandchild. If the employee uses the car for personal use, it is a taxable benefit. An employee's grandchild's tuition is a taxable benefit. Do employers ever break tax law on taxable fringe benefits? Some probably do. That doesn't make it legal nor is it a legal defense if you are caught. You may want to brush up on employee fringe benefit tax law before you give your employees fringe benefits.

Here a link to the IRS Employer's Tax Guide to Fringe benefitshttps://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15b.pdf

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Re: Manhattan grand jury indicts Trump Org and CFO
« Reply #110 on: July 04, 2021, 02:21:50 PM »
Yes you can give an employee a company car and yes you can pay tuition for an employee's grandchild. If the employee uses the car for personal use, it is a taxable benefit. An employee's grandchild's tuition is a taxable benefit. Do employers ever break tax law on taxable fringe benefits? Some probably do. That doesn't make it legal nor is it a legal defense if you are caught. You may want to brush up on employee fringe benefit tax law before you give your employees fringe benefits.

Here a link to the IRS Employer's Tax Guide to Fringe benefitshttps://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15b.pdf

Good we agree that 90% of corporations won’t even get charged let alone indicted. At the most they’ll get notices to pay, dispute, pay interest penalties or make payment arrangements. The fact this is at the forefront instead of the murder and crime rates skyrocking in NYC, Hunter Biden not even being investigated not disclosing a list of buyers on his “art work” that’s could sell for up to $500k or more, him lying on a firearms application, tossing a firearm that was traced back to him, his father lying then getting caught lying about knowing nothing about his sons business dealings when he in fact, knew everything....but they want to after Trumps CFO on, excuse the pun....Trumped up charges is straight out Nazi Germany and it’s been like this for 5 years when the Obama administration was caught dead to rights spying on Trumps campaign.

But the fact is, liberals have no regard for the laws of this country, the constitution, ethics of the judicial system or the country as a whole. They’re no better than worm dung

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Re: Manhattan grand jury indicts Trump Org and CFO
« Reply #111 on: July 04, 2021, 03:59:10 PM »
The above is what I've tried to explain multiple times.

Non payment of taxes on fringe benefits generally results in a fine and everyone moves on.  A company I worked for did this for years, it turned up in audit, and they paid the $ and that was it.  No criminal anything.

Lurker did explain that this could be an entry point into something more sinister...but for now that remains to be seen.

Straw posted an article where there is a "person of interest involved".  Those with TDS are hoping it's Trump who set up the CFO to not pay taxes.

For now, it seems like this is a big nothing, and the AG will look foolish if this is it.

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Re: Manhattan grand jury indicts Trump Org and CFO
« Reply #112 on: July 04, 2021, 04:08:06 PM »
Good we agree that 90% of corporations won’t even get charged let alone indicted. At the most they’ll get notices to pay, dispute, pay interest penalties or make payment arrangements. The fact this is at the forefront instead of the murder and crime rates skyrocking in NYC, Hunter Biden not even being investigated not disclosing a list of buyers on his “art work” that’s could sell for up to $500k or more, him lying on a firearms application, tossing a firearm that was traced back to him, his father lying then getting caught lying about knowing nothing about his sons business dealings when he in fact, knew everything....but they want to after Trumps CFO on, excuse the pun....Trumped up charges is straight out Nazi Germany and it’s been like this for 5 years when the Obama administration was caught dead to rights spying on Trumps campaign.

But the fact is, liberals have no regard for the laws of this country, the constitution, ethics of the judicial system or the country as a whole. They’re no better than worm dung

You do realize you contradicted yourself in the above post, unless all those corporations you mention who broke tax laws and weren't prosecuted were run by liberals. Obviously Trump's corporation is not run by liberals and yet they acted unlawfully. Do you also realize that if the Trump corporation his CFO and even Trump himself violated tax laws they apparently have no regard for the laws of this country, ethics and the judicial system regardless of how many other companies do this too.

Are you suggesting because NYC murders are skyrocketing, other law violations and criminal activities should be ignored? Hunter Biden not being investigated for the alleged crimes and business activities is not relevant. Also, how do you know he's not been or being investigated for these things? I agree that lying is wrong no matter who does it or why they do, but in most cases lying in and of itself is not a law breaking activity otherwise pretty much everyone would be a criminal.

If these charges are 'trumped up' they won't stand up in court. So far I've not heard anyone denying the CFO or the Trump corporation did what they are accused of doing. What I am hearing is that many folks, yourself  included, think it is okay because other companies do the same stuff. Try telling this to a cop the next time you're pulled over for running a red light or speeding. Chances are you will still get a ticket and still have to pay it.

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Re: Manhattan grand jury indicts Trump Org and CFO
« Reply #113 on: July 04, 2021, 04:30:05 PM »
The above is what I've tried to explain multiple times.

Non payment of taxes on fringe benefits generally results in a fine and everyone moves on.  A company I worked for did this for years, it turned up in audit, and they paid the $ and that was it.  No criminal anything.

Lurker did explain that this could be an entry point into something more sinister...but for now that remains to be seen.

Straw posted an article where there is a "person of interest involved".  Those with TDS are hoping it's Trump who set up the CFO to not pay taxes.

For now, it seems like this is a big nothing, and the AG will look foolish if this is it.

American businesswoman, Leona Helmsley was convicted of federal income tax evasion 1989, largely because she paid for remodeling her home using corporate funds and not claiming it as income, (an taxable fringe benefit).  She was originally sentenced to sixteen years in prison, but received a four-year prison sentence, 750 hours of community service, and a $7.1 million tax fraud fine. Helmsley is famous for saying: "We don't pay taxes; only the little people pay taxes", a quote which was identified with her for the rest of her life.

An Oregon businessman was ordered to spend more than a year in prison and pay the IRS approximately $500,000 in penalties, interest and federal employment taxes after pleading guilty to tax evasion. He also had to close his business.


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Re: Manhattan grand jury indicts Trump Org and CFO
« Reply #114 on: July 04, 2021, 05:50:36 PM »
American businesswoman, Leona Helmsley was convicted of federal income tax evasion 1989, largely because she paid for remodeling her home using corporate funds and not claiming it as income, (an taxable fringe benefit).  She was originally sentenced to sixteen years in prison, but received a four-year prison sentence, 750 hours of community service, and a $7.1 million tax fraud fine. Helmsley is famous for saying: "We don't pay taxes; only the little people pay taxes", a quote which was identified with her for the rest of her life.

An Oregon businessman was ordered to spend more than a year in prison and pay the IRS approximately $500,000 in penalties, interest and federal employment taxes after pleading guilty to tax evasion. He also had to close his business.

lol....give it up.

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Re: Manhattan grand jury indicts Trump Org and CFO
« Reply #115 on: July 05, 2021, 11:21:09 AM »
Good analysis.  Among the many good points, since when does a state pursue a citizen for failing to pay federal taxes?  Why wasn't the IRS all over this?

Trump Inc. and CFO Charged By Manhattan DA With Tax Crimes Involving Non-Payroll Benefits Paid But The Harpoon Misses The White-Whale -- Again
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Donald Trump?  Missed again.

On Thursday the Attorney General for the State of New York obtained an indictment charging Trump Inc., and its longtime Chief Financial Officer Alen Weisselberg with engaging in a 15 year-long scheme to evade paying income taxes s that the company failed to properly account for the "bonus" payments made to employees, as well as payment by the company of certain employee expenses as fringe benefits, such as private school tuition, cars, and housing costs.

The indictment alleges that Trump Inc. and Weisselberg structured an off-the-books compensation scheme that allowed Weisselberg to receive approximately $1.76 million in income which was not reported to taxing authorities. The is approximately $120,000 a year over the 15 year period.

Curiously, although the indictment is a bit coy on the specifics, it seems like Weisselberg was the “official” at Trump Inc. who could authorize all the allegedly illegal actions by Trump Inc. that are alleged to have conveyed illegal tax benefits to him.

The tax benefits allegedly became illegal when Weisselberg failed to declare the off-the-books benefits as income subject to taxation.

Sounds like circular reasoning to me.

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I was surprised when I read at the beginning of the indictment that among the “victims” of the “fraud” scheme as alleged in the indictment is the IRS.

I was stunned when I read further and saw that the indictment claims Weisselberg “evaded” $550,000 in FEDERAL income taxes as a result.

So far as I’m aware, the IRS has never made such a claim and such determinations rest exclusively with IRS, not a State Attorney General.

The IRS will likely be heartened to know that the New York Attorney General is protecting it from such financial felonious miscreants as Alan Weisselberg, and saving it from the ineptitude of all those IRS agents whose job it is to make sure everyone pays their taxes in the appropriate amount.

What would they all do without the NY AG’s expert staff?

This brings me to a point I made on Twitter.

NYC has tens of thousands of attorneys, including some of the very best attorneys in the entire world. I’m going to speculate and venture a guess that obtaining a job in the NY AG’s office isn’t high on the “Prestige-O-Meter”, and the lawyering done here seems to confirm that.

The nature of the allegations made in the indictment is tedious. They can be paraphrased in the following manner:

The Trump Corp paid living and personal family expenses of Weisselberg, adjusted down the amount of his wages to reflect those payments, reported wage income as paid but failed to report as part of his income the total monetary value of the non-wage benefits. The obligation to pay taxes was ALWAYS on Weisselberg, and AT MOST, Trump Inc. avoided payment of its one-half share of Social Security tax on Weisselberg’s income. But that only applies up to the first approximately $120,000 of wage income, and since he made more than that Trump Inc did pay its full share of his Social Security tax.

So what did Trump Inc fail to pay as a result of this “fraud scheme” by which it victimized the IRS????

Ummm — nothing?

What the media won't say is that focusing a case in this fashion at this point, and working so hard to obtain the cooperation of Weisselberg, reflects that the investigation has otherwise come up empty.  Pressuring Weisselberg into cooperating might -- hopefully -- open the door to other avenues of inquiry into Trump, Inc., that might touch on former President Trump himself.  So far they don't have that or they would not be making this gambit.

That's all it really is.

Unless Weisselberg actually has something to offer and changes his mind about cooperating, it looks like yet another failed effort to take down President Trump in an effort to drive him from the national political scene.

I'll end with this observation which I've made on Twitter many times -- Donald Trump and Trump, Inc., might be the most heavily scrutinized individual and company for tax purposes over the past 30+ years -- both at the federal level and in New York.  Yet there has never been a tax prosecution of him even attempted going back to long before he entered politics.

There isn't anything to find.  He's paid lawyers and accountants millions of dollars over the decades he's been in business to keep him out of tax problems -- just like all rich people do.

This is a Captain Ahab-like pursuit of Moby Dick.

It will probably end in the same fashion as Melville's classic.

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Re: Manhattan grand jury indicts Trump Org and CFO
« Reply #116 on: July 05, 2021, 11:41:50 AM »
Eric Trump to Newsmax: Trump Family Not Charged Because Nothing to Charge Them With
By Jack Gournell    |   Thursday, 01 July 2021

It's no mystery why the Manhattan prosecutor's office didn't elect to charge former President Donald Trump or any of his children with crimes on Thursday when The Trump Organization and its CFO Allen Weisselberg were charged, Eric Trump tells Newsmax.

"You think if after going through 3.5 million pages [of Trump's records] over four years, they found a single thing on Donald Trump. You think they'd be going after Allen Weisselberg?" Eric Trump told "Greg Kelly Reports" guest host Eric Bolling in his first interview following the Thursday morning indictments against Weisselberg and the family business for which he serves as executive vice president.

"Of course not. They'd be going after Donald Trump. And guess what? After all that time they found nothing. You know why? Because there is nothing."

The Trump Organization is a "really, really good company," he said. "We're the best in the world at what we do. We run amazing golf courses and we run some of the best hotels on earth, and we run great commercial buildings."

Trump said he has no concerns that either he or his siblings, Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump, who also are involved in the company, will face charges, because "we've always lived amazingly clean lives."

If prosecutors could press charges against any of the Trumps, they already would have, Eric Trump said, adding "That was their end goal."

"You know, the difference is I'm not Hunter Biden," he said, alluding to President Joe Biden's son and a litany of allegations made against him in recent months. "I'm not selling paintings to undisclosed people for half a million dollars apiece. I'm not doing drugs in shady hotels. I'm not going out soliciting prostitution and I'm not going out selling influence to the Ukraine and China and having lavish trips paid for while my father's commander in chief."

President Joe Biden has denied participating in any kind of influence peddling.

Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr.'s office's indictments were related to fringe benefits, something that virtually never results in criminal prosecution. Some observers believe the charges likely are an attempt to get Weisselberg, a Trump Organization employee since the early 1970s, to "flip" on the former president.

"This is the same DA's office in 2008 when you had people at some of the biggest banks in the country that were literally sorting subprime mortgages while at the same time going off and selling them to retirement plans and people all over the country," Trump said.

"So the same people who were selling them saying what a wonderful product was on their own books were shorting them. They caused an entire collapse of our financial system. And not a single one of those people got charged. This is trillions and trillions of dollars worth of financial fraud that literally took down the U.S. economy."

New York State DA Letitia James, who worked with Vance's office, has said before beginning investigations that she intended to focus attention and resources on Donald Trump, and Eric told Newsmax on Thursday that the current charges bear that out.

"They know my father, he's thinking about running in 2024," he said. "They want to do anything they can to disqualify him."

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/erictrump-trumporganization-allenweisselberg/2021/07/01/id/1027206/

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Re: Manhattan grand jury indicts Trump Org and CFO
« Reply #117 on: July 06, 2021, 08:18:37 AM »
Maybe the article would be more correct if he was trying to harpoon the great, orange whale?