Massive water retention / edema mk-677 18lbs in a week 😬

[joswift]

Down to 226 today.. calves down to 18.75 & wrist. Down to like the 3rd hole on my watch band lol (I was on the very last hole).. appetite is like hit or miss. Haven't been getting hungry until later in the day, especially night time, past few days. Mornings I've been nauseous though still. Like this morning, I wake up about 5:30 and I drink now one of those big things of gatorade, like 32oz I think? Then about 7:00 just as I'm getting out of the shower I end up puking all/most of it back up (like 6x), well do whatever reason just puked up your orange Gatorade but not the 2 caffeine tabs, two Wellbutrin and clonidine I had taken maybe 20mins prior.. anyways.. same thing has happened the past couple morning. Maybe there's a stomach thing going around at work because a couple co-workers been complaining about nausea as well..

are you sure its not boredom?

[bhank]

Down to 226 today.. calves down to 18.75 & wrist. Down to like the 3rd hole on my watch band lol (I was on the very last hole).. appetite is like hit or miss. Haven't been getting hungry until later in the day, especially night time, past few days. Mornings I've been nauseous though still. Like this morning, I wake up about 5:30 and I drink now one of those big things of gatorade, like 32oz I think? Then about 7:00 just as I'm getting out of the shower I end up puking all/most of it back up (like 6x), well do whatever reason just puked up your orange Gatorade but not the 2 caffeine tabs, two Wellbutrin and clonidine I had taken maybe 20mins prior.. anyways.. same thing has happened the past couple morning. Maybe there's a stomach thing going around at work because a couple co-workers been complaining about nausea as well..

If you are throwing up stop taking all oral medications now. WTF are you taking Wellbutrin for anyway clearly you have gone toxic. When this happens stop taking all oral medications immediately you may have an acute injury to your liver or kidneys or some other part of your digestive track your body needs a break. Do not even take a damn aspirin

[joswift]

If you are throwing up stop taking all oral medications now. WTF are you taking Wellbutrin for anyway clearly you have gone toxic. When this happens stop taking all oral medications immediately you may have an acute injury to your liver or kidneys or some other part of your digestive track your body needs a break. Do not even take a damn aspirin

dont you dare presume to know the durability of esfitness physical attributes.

[Kwon]

Mere mortals cannot compare with ESFitness

[GymnJuice]

If you are throwing up stop taking all oral medications now. WTF are you taking Wellbutrin for anyway clearly you have gone toxic. When this happens stop taking all oral medications immediately you may have an acute injury to your liver or kidneys or some other part of your digestive track your body needs a break. Do not even take a damn aspirin

Yes, quitting cold turkey from prescribed meds seems like good advices.

[OlympiaGym]

MK-677 is no substitute for GH. A lot of negative sides with no real benefits IMO. The water retention can be dangerous. Use GH or nothing if you’re looking to utilize this pathway.

[bhank]

Yes, quitting cold turkey from prescribed meds seems like good advices.

Prescribed or not all all oral medications stress the liver if you have an acute injury due to hepatoxicity making you vomit and bile is backing up into your system you absolutely need to stop all oral medications prescribed or not to restore function

[joswift]

Prescribed or not all all oral medications stress the liver if you have an acute injury due to hepatoxicity making you vomit and bile is backing up into your system you absolutely need to stop all oral medications prescribed or not to restore function

what about oral medicines designed to help the liver?

[Griffith]

MK-677 is no substitute for GH. A lot of negative sides with no real benefits IMO. The water retention can be dangerous. Use GH or nothing if you’re looking to utilize this pathway.

It definitely helps with recovery and also healing from injuries. Taken before bed it also improves sleep.

Also improves skin and makes hair grow faster.

In my experience, it helped me add extra muscle. Increases energy and endurance as well. Generally gives a feeling of well-being for me.

The worst of the side effects, such as water retention, lethargy and increased appetite mostly went away after the first month, lethargy completely.

I used it near non-stop for a year and have cycled it since then for a few months at a time.

[D.O.A.]

are you sure its not boredom?

[bhank]

It definitely helps with recovery and also healing from injuries. Taken before bed it also improves sleep.

Also improves skin and makes hair grow faster.

In my experience, it helped me add extra muscle. Increases energy and endurance as well. Generally gives a feeling of well-being for me.

The worst of the side effects, such as water retention, lethargy and increased appetite mostly went away after the first month, lethargy completely.

I used it near non-stop for a year and have cycled it since then for a few months at a time.

Increasedd appetite would be a benefit not a side effect of an anabolic agent

[joswift]

Increasedd appetite would be a benefit not a side effect of an anabolic agent

Not if you are already fat

[LanceD]

well, do ya want to be cremated or buried...that's the real question

[Taffin]

Down to 226 today.. calves down to 18.75 & wrist. Down to like the 3rd hole on my watch band lol (I was on the very last hole).. appetite is like hit or miss. Haven't been getting hungry until later in the day, especially night time, past few days. Mornings I've been nauseous though still. Like this morning, I wake up about 5:30 and I drink now one of those big things of gatorade, like 32oz I think? Then about 7:00 just as I'm getting out of the shower I end up puking all/most of it back up (like 6x), well do whatever reason just puked up your orange Gatorade but not the 2 caffeine tabs, two Wellbutrin and clonidine I had taken maybe 20mins prior.. anyways.. same thing has happened the past couple morning. Maybe there's a stomach thing going around at work because a couple co-workers been complaining about nausea as well..

I understand the need for the Catapres, but why the Wellbutrin and caffeine?  You OK, dude?

Your dropping these on an empty stomach?

[GymnJuice]

Prescribed or not all all oral medications stress the liver if you have an acute injury due to hepatoxicity making you vomit and bile is backing up into your system you absolutely need to stop all oral medications prescribed or not to restore function

You don't know if he is vomiting from his liver or not.  You don't know what medications he is on or why he is taking them, if he could get withdrawal or rebound from stopping them, or if they are even metabolized through the liver at all. 

[OlympiaGym]

It definitely helps with recovery and also healing from injuries. Taken before bed it also improves sleep.

Also improves skin and makes hair grow faster.

In my experience, it helped me add extra muscle. Increases energy and endurance as well. Generally gives a feeling of well-being for me.

The worst of the side effects, such as water retention, lethargy and increased appetite mostly went away after the first month, lethargy completely.

I used it near non-stop for a year and have cycled it since then for a few months at a time.

Maybe, but I still see it as a poor substitute for GH.

[ThisisOverload]

ESF and spankins should start their own thread.

To give advices.

Two experts of everything in life.

Make it happen fellas.

[Griffith]

Maybe, but I still see it as a poor substitute for GH.

Bear in mind that it costs a fraction of the amount, and is one or two tablets a day instead of an injection and is used without insulin, while giving many of the benefits of HGH.

I don't think anyone is arguing that it's a substitute for HGH, but it's still effective and easier to use.

[wes]

ESF and spankins should start their own thread.

To give advices.

Two experts of everything in life.

Make it happen fellas.

LOL 

[Van_Bilderass]

Bear in mind that it costs a fraction of the amount, and is one or two tablets a day instead of an injection and is used without insulin, while giving many of the benefits of HGH.

I don't think anyone is arguing that it's a substitute for HGH, but it's still effective and easier to use.

I'm not in the US but if I were and had easy access to all the research chems domestically I would have tried the MK/CJC combo along with lots of Lantus. MK with CJC it's supposed to cause crazy GH release, some claimed it was like running 10iu of growth.

On professionalmuscle there is a big Polish bb who gets bloodwork weekly, checking a ton of different parameters. Recently he showed bloodwork where his IGF doubled by doing only 25iu of Lantus twice weekly. Kind of interesting, even if the real world relevance isn't known.
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It's not healthy though.  And having GH relesased all day long is not ideal and a few gurus like Alex Kikel say MK is the last secreratagogue they'd ever use. If someone here is interested in drug talk and hasn't seen Kikel, take a look on IG for example. This guy claims to be the foremost expert on GH. 

These are not substitutes for GH though, for one thing, you don't get nearly as high absolute GH peaks which you get with injecting.

[pellius]

Then back on a little bit of test for about 2months now, 800&1200mg /wk..  added mk-677 about a week ago. Only taking it I believe two nights in the day. Took it the first night gave me heartburn and think recently, skipped a night, then took it again about a day after during the day. So three dozens I believe 45 milligrams each.

About a month ago I started to come again thick of my fingers out of just my hand it's hot I thought it was just my hand coming back to regular size because I've been downsized for a while now, like in the 190s and started coming back up in size up over 200, then 205 210 and was holding steady at about 215, with only doing about a 20 minute back workout once every is maybe a 15 or 20 minutes or workout so weak and I probably pressing workout that went about 30 minutes and then a couple 10 minute chest pump workouts over about a 2-month period since March)..

Anyways... back to the forearm/hand, Girlfriends would notice it because apparently with the size increase that I had a p"Popeye forearm" and sure enough it was an inch larger from wrist to forearm. At first it looked like almost except until about the past week where I could notice some edema on the bottom of my forearm near my elbow. My hand however it got progressively worse. The top of the hand looks like it's broken with noticeable pitting edema (like 1/2"), especially the past week since adding the mk-677.

out of nowhere, Wake up Tuesday morning today is Thursday today is Sunday and walking to the shower I can feel my ankles jiggling look down and sure enough I have significant putting edema, especially on my right ankle.. then I wake up yesterday morning, Saturday, and I have massive edema on both legs, like elephant feet legs, to the point where I can't get my dress shoes for work on, and my right forearm had swelled up a bit like my left..

Oh, and I'd been nauseous off and on the past week. Thursday morning I puke a couple times when I'm brushing my teeth. Friday morning and puke and yesterday I puke.. I get to work and I'm 234/235, That's a good 18lbs in a week..

I remain nauseous all day and have significant lower back discomfort that started the day before. At this point I'm remembering Bostin Lloyd on Leo's podcast talking about his kidney failure and he felt like shit and was puking and nauseous all day before he finally went to the hospital, so I finally head to the ER (couple of my girlfriends, one nurse and a medical assistant, have been telling me to go to the ER for the past month).. get there explain to them situation run lab work, 2 ekg's (first came back a little off, something about potassium), ultrasound on both legs, and my left arm and neck to check for blood clots, and a chest x-ray, Drs we're suspicious of kidneys not functioning properly and or heart failure and/or heart attack.. 6hrs later doctor comes back and says surprisingly my labs came back kind of okay for my kidneys was nothing indicating kidney failure... GFR was good, my creatinine levels were a point or 2 high.

Then they call me back for one more test to check for the thing that was a heart attack marker in your blood that they didn't check the first time and that comes back good they said I'd be good to go. What was supposed to take 10 minutes and up taking over 2 hours, the nurse tells me they were just waiting on the doctor to finish up the papers...so I just left without my prescription for lasix (which I had to ask the 2nd Dr to write.. I actually asked for Bumex). *Went back today to get it.

*Oh! And my liver came back "ok" as well aside from my ast/alt were both a little high, which I knew because I'd also been running some methyl-test and Dbol in the mornings (forgot to me to mention, but it's kinda haphazard now that I have a lot of test cyp).

Anyone experienced that extreme hand/forearm swelling or sudden weight gain from mk-677??

Note* No at least that I know my kidneys and liver are okay, test those to 1200mg twice a week, and added insulin again (today) and make a run for 250 lol

Yes, I had considerable water retention with MK 677 and my blood pressure shot up. I was on only 25mg/day. That was the first and last time I'll ever use that poison. It did work, though.

[AbrahamG]

Yes, I had considerable water retention with MK 677 and my blood pressure shot up. I was on only 25mg/day. That was the first and last time I'll ever use that poison. It did work, though.

Thanks for posting your experience. Differences aside, you are a serious guy and your input matters. I've heard 25mg's is a hefty dose. I've been considering trying 10mg's but blood pressure isn't something I care to fuck around with.

[Griffith]

Thanks for posting your experience. Differences aside, you are a serious guy and your input matters. I've heard 25mg's is a hefty dose. I've been considering trying 10mg's but blood pressure isn't something I care to fuck around with.

25 mg's is a high dose. Would not recommend anyone start so high.

I've never even used that amount, I started at 5mg's and went up from there till 20 mg eventually. Takes at least a few weeks to adjust. I was at about 15 mg after a month and 20 mg after two months.

I've found 10mg to be best, much less water retention and less side effects but with the same recovery and sleep benefits.

[AbrahamG]

Thanks. I'll probably give 10mgs a go. Think starting at 5 is necessary? Or should I go straight to 10?

[B R]

Pre-emptive PIP, of peace.