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Re: New COVID variants Epsilon, Lambda may be resistant to vaccines...
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2021, 10:08:39 PM »
If your trusted doctor advises you that the vaccine isn't right for you, who am I to argue.  I trust that you'd protect yourself via masking and proper distancing/good general decision making.  But when you spout doomsday generalizations about the vaccine, that can cost lives.  And it has and continues to cost lives.  Also, your medical reasons for not getting it I'm sure don't apply to even a quarter of the worlds population.  If everyone that could safely get it goes out and gets it, we'll have herd immunity and stomp this thing out in short order.  The longer it kicks around and lingers the more it mutates and the more it mutates, the more deadly it gets.  Now, the average age of covid ICU patients is 42.  Younger kids are getting sicker from Delta than the original.  By Halloween or Thanksgiving we may have a child covid calamity on our hands.

The virus has not been getting "deadlier". It's only got better at infecting people  faster.

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« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2021, 10:10:59 PM »
The virus has not been getting "deadlier". It's only got better at spreading faster.
That’s what I was thinking but there’s a lot of others saying it’s more deadly. This fear is what they are hoping to install in people so they will take up the vaccine.

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« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2021, 10:11:25 PM »
I have a family member who has an auto immune disease. She has scarring on her lungs. Her specialist did not recommend the vaccine as he said they don’t know the long term implications. 
There are two scenarios being played. High levels of infections are leading to mutant variants and also vaccinating because the vaccines are leaky meaning that they don’t prevent transmission of Covid.

That seems suspect to me.  Without being a doc and without knowing the full scope/scale of your family member's disease, it seems that a compromised lung would be someone who should be vaccinated.  My thinking is that better to live 20 more years and then drop dead from the vaccine than get covid now and die. 

Assuming her doc is right, I think that actually makes my point.  That for the overwhelming majority and I'd say super majority, there are zero valid reasons to not be vaccinated.  You and your family member are in the minority.  My son has asthma.  Specifically, it's something like athletic induced asthma.  We could not wait for him to be eligible for the vaccine as we know what a common flu and cold does to him.  We strongly feared and his doctor agreed that covid would be rough on him.  And, he agreed.  He did not resist at all.

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« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2021, 10:16:08 PM »
That’s what I was thinking but there’s a lot of others saying it’s more deadly. This fear is what they are hoping to install in people so they will take up the vaccine.

Faster spread means more cases and deaths in a short period of time. This might cause issues when it comes to medical care, so in this sense it might be said to be more deadly.

Otherwise the chances of dying because of a variant are no different.

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« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2021, 10:36:20 PM »
That seems suspect to me.  Without being a doc and without knowing the full scope/scale of your family member's disease, it seems that a compromised lung would be someone who should be vaccinated.  My thinking is that better to live 20 more years and then drop dead from the vaccine than get covid now and die. 

Assuming her doc is right, I think that actually makes my point.  That for the overwhelming majority and I'd say super majority, there are zero valid reasons to not be vaccinated.  You and your family member are in the minority.  My son has asthma.  Specifically, it's something like athletic induced asthma.  We could not wait for him to be eligible for the vaccine as we know what a common flu and cold does to him.  We strongly feared and his doctor agreed that covid would be rough on him.  And, he agreed.  He did not resist at all.
My hairdressers father is a pharmacist and he told her not to get the vaccine either. I think depending on who you talk to, there are differences in if you should vaccinate or not. I have heard stories doctors tell pregnant women not to get the vaccine and yet they are saying it’s safe and to do it. My mother was told to take a well known medication for morning sickness with me and she declined. That medication now is not recommended during pregnancy due to birth defects. Babies were born without limbs. These Covid vaccines are too new and enough won’t be known until into the future. We haven’t got there yet. I know it’s very hard days with much uncertainty. I respect the choice you made and understand your reasons to get your family vaccinated. There are no wrongs and rights. It’s just personal choice. I don’t trust the medical industry on this vaccine. I know they don’t always get it right.

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« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2021, 10:38:20 PM »
Faster spread means more cases and deaths in a short period of time. This might cause issues when it comes to medical care, so in this sense it might be said to be more deadly.

Otherwise the chances of dying because of a variant are no different.
Yes that makes sense Flex.

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« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2021, 12:21:03 AM »
The virus has not been getting "deadlier". It's only got better at infecting people  faster.

Someone is reading virology books.  When we get to F1,293,940 Variant Fucboi Viroid Generation, given those bishes lost count a long time ago, it will be called CoInfluVid.  WTF happened to influenza?  Getting out of healthcare.  They aren't giving me a yearly shot of this bullshit.

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« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2021, 12:27:10 AM »
Someone is reading virology books.  When we get to F1,293,940 Variant Fucboi Viroid Generation, given those bishes lost count a long time ago, it will be called CoInfluVid.  WTF happened to influenza?  Getting out of healthcare.  They aren't giving me a yearly shot of this bullshit.
They are saying Pfizer loses efficiency within 180 days so it’s 6 months not 12 months.

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« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2021, 12:44:16 AM »
They are saying Pfizer loses efficiency within 180 days so it’s 6 months not 12 months.

This pandemic is the greatest lie told in the history of the world. It trumps the pilgrims giving Indian fresh blankets with scabs on them.

The virus is introduced to a population by a nasty chink with poor lab techniques and has a high mortality rate.  Subsequent generations are "learned", which means keep the host alive at all costs for further transmission.  Fucboi Vaccines are actually driving mutations more than natural immune responses.  Hence, we have the new flu, and pharmas have a new income stream.  Think the avg person doesn't get a flu shot, just elderly and healthcare workers.  Now, they got a shot they can pretty much push on 100% of the population, dogs, cats, and even zoo animals.  There's something demonic about this.  99.8% survvial rate WITHOUT VACCINES! 


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« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2021, 12:45:32 AM »
Why is it stupid??  I am more afraid of the unknown sides. I had a anaphylactic episode when I got the contrast media dye. I was sick for 3 months afterwards. I also had a miserable time with a 660 gram uterine fibroid. I can’t go through more heavy periods and I know that’s one of a well known side affect. I also have seen the data from the Japanese and I don’t want spike proteins in every part of me. Looking at what’s occurring with all these populated vaccinated people, it appears the vaccine isn’t doing what they hoped. It looks pretty useless. I am not listening to propaganda so much and more of the likes of Robert Malone and even Geert Vande Bosche. What he’s predicted is pretty much playing out now with all the escaped mutant variants.

I'm sorry Booty....

Thinking of you now,
I get a hard spike that I would love to inject into your uterine for a period
and then proceed to your rectum to make little mutants od our own in there.

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« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2021, 12:52:34 AM »
I'm sorry Booty....

Thinking of you now,
I get a hard spike that I would love to inject into your uterine for a period
and then proceed to your rectum to make little mutants od our own in there.

Have you considered a career change?  I'm thinking you could be writing R&B love songs and making bank. 

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« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2021, 01:02:33 AM »
I'm sorry Booty....

Thinking of you now,
I get a hard spike that I would love to inject into your uterine for a period
and then proceed to your rectum to make little mutants od our own in there.
Rusty thank you for the laugh.  ;D I needed it today. The energy here is very depressing. We are locked down and my son has been trying to visit but he can’t leave his state and my state won’t accept him. All he wants is to see his family and be best man at his best friends wedding. It gets worse here with this government everyday.

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« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2021, 01:03:30 AM »
Have you considered a career change?  I'm thinking you could be writing R&B love songs and making bank.
He might have outdone you,  when it comes to romance.

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« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2021, 01:19:26 AM »
This pandemic is the greatest lie told in the history of the world. It trumps the pilgrims giving Indian fresh blankets with scabs on them.

The virus is introduced to a population by a nasty chink with poor lab techniques and has a high mortality rate.  Subsequent generations are "learned", which means keep the host alive at all costs for further transmission.  Fucboi Vaccines are actually driving mutations more than natural immune responses.  Hence, we have the new flu, and pharmas have a new income stream.  Think the avg person doesn't get a flu shot, just elderly and healthcare workers.  Now, they got a shot they can pretty much push on 100% of the population, dogs, cats, and even zoo animals.  There's something demonic about this.  99.8% survvial rate WITHOUT VACCINES!
Add this too…. It gives the governments an excuse to push tyranny and take away our rights and freedom. We are no longer a free society able to make choices about what medical procedures we undertake. This is looking like a futuristic horror movie…. Something we would once watch and then go to bed thinking something like this was only in movies and would never happen. This pandemic is causing division as well. The vaccinated versus the unvaccinated. You can bet too that in a year governments will be charging people $ for the vaccine as well.

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« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2021, 01:48:48 AM »
This pandemic is the greatest lie told in the history of the world. It trumps the pilgrims giving Indian fresh blankets with scabs on them.

The virus is introduced to a population by a nasty chink with poor lab techniques and has a high mortality rate.  Subsequent generations are "learned", which means keep the host alive at all costs for further transmission.  Fucboi Vaccines are actually driving mutations more than natural immune responses.  Hence, we have the new flu, and pharmas have a new income stream.  Think the avg person doesn't get a flu shot, just elderly and healthcare workers.  Now, they got a shot they can pretty much push on 100% of the population, dogs, cats, and even zoo animals.  There's something demonic about this.  99.8% survvial rate WITHOUT VACCINES!

I am watching for this.  :(

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« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2021, 04:03:25 AM »
It was hilarious for a while. Every old person that passed away (for like a year) in the local Obits, it would say "From COVID".  ::)

Now its gone back to the normal "Peacefully at home".
COVITurdz must be furious, punching their Ma's and stuff over this not being the case anymore.

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« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2021, 10:02:22 AM »


Indeed!! At this rate, the viruses will be.........  ;D



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« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2021, 11:11:11 PM »
Califucknia just mandated for healthcare and state employees.  What's the best religion exemption money can buy?  Even Texas is rolling with this buffoonery.  100% sure the accelerated mutations are directly related to the vaccines but pharmas and their payroll will deny of course.

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« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2021, 01:05:50 AM »
Something sinister is going on re what is information and what is not. Google, Facebook and YouTube actually censor those who have different scientific opinions to what WHO and the CDC in the US believe. In science all ideas must be debated until an outcome is forthcoming. That hasn't happened. This is an ugly thing that is happening and the outlook doesn't look good. Science must be open and all ideas considered. Last year no one was allowed to state that the virus escaped from a lab in China. Today the consensus is that it did. Of course the Chinese will deny that it did.

Australia has a good record trying to control the virus. We have had most states close their borders to states with high infection rates. This has been going on for over a year now. Greater Sydney and surrounding areas have been in a lockdown for 6 weeks now. The infection rate has been steadily increasing which is disturbing. People get infected, even if vaccinated, and can spread it because most don't have many symptoms. The government urges everyone to get tested and get the jab. No thanks. My age group is at risk but I will take my chances. The restrictions have slowed the spread of the disease but not stopped it. There are lockdowns in Victoria and Queensland which are states adjacent to New South Wales.


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« Reply #45 on: August 08, 2021, 01:11:41 AM »
Why does getbig seem to attract so many vaccine skeptics?

Arnold Schwarzenegger didn't know what his jabs where going to do him back in his day. Could have completely changed the brain for example, amongst other things.

""My takeaway is that vaccine skeptics probably don't have the best understanding of how likely or probable different events are," said LaCour, a doctoral student in psychological sciences."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200410162410.htm

"Long-term AAS use is associated with right amygdala enlargement and reduced right amygdala rsFC with brain areas involved in cognitive control and spatial memory, which could contribute to the psychiatric effects and cognitive dysfunction associated with AAS use. The MRS abnormalities we detected could reflect enhanced glutamate turnover and increased vulnerability to neurotoxic or neurodegenerative processes, which could contribute to AAS-associated cognitive dysfunction."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4458166/

"The amygdala is commonly thought to form the core of a neural system for processing fearful and threatening stimuli (4), including detection of threat and activation of appropriate fear-related behaviors in response to threatening or dangerous stimuli."
https://www.pnas.org/content/109/52/21180

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« Reply #46 on: August 08, 2021, 01:51:07 AM »
Why does getbig seem to attract so many vaccine skeptics?


Bodybuilders are usually concerned with health. I exclude the professionals here. The human body is extremely complicated and that goes for our immune system. There are also individual differences. When unapproved drugs are being urged it is wise to be cautious and look into what is going on. The smart people invested money in the pharmaceutical companies. It really is difficult to know who to listen to and what to do. The health organizations are not being transparent and do not advertise the dangers of taking vaccines. In the meantime, those vaccinated are a breeding ground for variants and that is what we are encountering today. I don't see a solution in the near future.

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« Reply #47 on: August 08, 2021, 01:53:35 AM »
My hairdressers father is a pharmacist and he told her not to get the vaccine either. I think depending on who you talk to, there are differences in if you should vaccinate or not. I have heard stories doctors tell pregnant women not to get the vaccine and yet they are saying it’s safe and to do it. My mother was told to take a well known medication for morning sickness with me and she declined. That medication now is not recommended during pregnancy due to birth defects. Babies were born without limbs. These Covid vaccines are too new and enough won’t be known until into the future. We haven’t got there yet. I know it’s very hard days with much uncertainty. I respect the choice you made and understand your reasons to get your family vaccinated. There are no wrongs and rights. It’s just personal choice. I don’t trust the medical industry on this vaccine. I know they don’t always get it right.

The drug was Thalidomide. Given  to women in late 50s and early 60s.

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« Reply #48 on: August 08, 2021, 02:24:44 AM »
Bodybuilders are usually concerned with health. I exclude the professionals here. The human body is extremely complicated and that goes for our immune system. There are also individual differences. When unapproved drugs are being urged it is wise to be cautious and look into what is going on. The smart people invested money in the pharmaceutical companies. It really is difficult to know who to listen to and what to do. The health organizations are not being transparent and do not advertise the dangers of taking vaccines. In the meantime, those vaccinated are a breeding ground for variants and that is what we are encountering today. I don't see a solution in the near future.
Very true re: bodybuilders being concerned with health. I would even go further in saying that professionals know the risks they take and thus are interested in reducing complications or reducing the risks of competing in bodybuilding at a high level. Many control blood pressure for example. When I spoke to Derek Anthony privately after his health problems, as an aspiring bodybuilder myself, he didn't take notice of blood pressure and basically said many take steroids and not a big deal. Profit motive of big pharma is important to inspiring innovation outside of CimaVac-EGF, a lung cancer vaccine coming out of Cuba I don't see how organisations will take on massive research and development costs without profit motive.
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« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2021, 04:13:41 AM »
Imperfect vaccines that can not completely destroy covid are causing aggressive mutations.  I've posted the sequence spacing. users have posted the pharmas new cash streams. Moderna goes from 75 mil - a couple billion or so within 1 yr and that will continue with boosters.  I'm willing to bet they didn't earn jack off of flu shots. Even animals in zoos aren't safe from this buffoonery. this is some bull___!