Covid 19 - CDC - Lies and Guidance Theories

[residue]

Which is wrong or lying government....all of them or just a few? COVID is worldwide. There are 294 counties most of them independent. Each country has it's own government. Some governments don't get along with others. Do you think it is possible they'd all be on the same page (conspire) with a virus like COVID and how it's treated?

it's all a plot by george soros to make elon musk ritch

[Primemuscle]

Yeah...even though there’s like 50 other studies out there saying the same thing our resident Getbig doctors have it all figured out.

Hey Residue, with you tube and most of social media killing anyone’s accounts that goes against the narrative, don’t you think they would leave up the hit pieces?

And the fact that you cited “factcheck.org” as a reference says everything

That would be 50 studies out of how many saying something different or the opposite? There are also two governors saying something different about COVID and how to handle it which leaves somewhere around 48 other governors who disagree either partly or completely with DeSantis and Abbott.

[WeightPSHR]

Covid is not the flu

Not sure why you still believe that

Here's a headline from July 2020 ..just to refresh your faulty memory

https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/us-hospital-icus-filling-after-another-record-breaking-day-covid-infections

The current surge in hospitalization is due to unvaccinated people.  Unvaccinated people still make up the vast majority of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.

https://www.vox.com/22602039/breakthrough-cases-covid-19-delta-variant-masks-vaccines

Serious question.... I'd like to hear your view on this since you're a vaccine proponent. Not trying to be an ass.

Why mandate a vaccine on people that have a +99% chance of recovering from Covid? Especially since we now know that the vaccinated can carry / spread the virus?

[Primemuscle]

it's all a plot by george soros to make elon musk ritch

Damn, you are smart! Much wiser than I am because this hadn't occurred to me until you posted it. Thanks. 

[Primemuscle]

Serious question.... I'd like to hear your view in this since you're a vaccine proponent. Not trying to be an ass.

Why mandate a vaccine on people that have a +99% chance of recovering from Covid? Especially since we now known that the vaccinated can carry / spread the virus?

Are you sure about that number (99%)? COVID keeps mutating and the virologist don't know what is going to happen with this virus in the future. For example, supposedly, Delta is making younger folks sick. Hospitals and ICU's are once again filling up with people who are seriously ill and have less chance of recovering that those who only get a mild case. Many of those milder cases being people who are in fact vaccinated. In the U.S. only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. If this is correct, it sure looks as if the vaccine is somewhat beneficial.....in the event one prefers not to die from COVID. 

[Van_Bilderass]

Tony Huge had some problems apparently. Did not elaborate much but he says he almost died.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CScENSsJ807/?utm_medium=copy_link

I had the confusion as well, was delirious when I was admitted.

[Straw Man]

Serious question.... I'd like to hear your view in this since you're a vaccine proponent. Not trying to be an ass.

Why mandate a vaccine on people that have a +99% chance of recovering from Covid? Especially since we now known that the vaccinated can carry / spread the virus?

I've answered this question multiple times on this board but I guess I'll do it again

First of all there is no mandate on the general population to get vaccinated

The current surge in hospitalizations is largely due  to the unvaccinated.

Their choice not to get vaccinated impacts EVERYONE because it's causing ICU's to fill up which impacts everyone else who need medical attention....especially urgent care

Here is one example, DFW Area Pediatric ICU Beds More Than 99% Occupied

Stephen Love, President of the DFW Hospital Council, said that will help protect younger children who can’t yet get the vaccine, and keep them out of the hospital.

“The reason we want to keep as many intensive care beds available – not only for adults, but pediatrics – we have car wrecks, people have heart attacks, they have strokes,” said Love. “We need that bed capacity for non-COVID type emergencies.

Unvaccinated people are also giving the virus a large population to infect and give the virus more opportunities to mutate...which again effect EVERYONE

[WeightPSHR]

I've answered this question multiple times on this board but I guess I'll do it again

First of all there is no mandate on the general population to get vaccinated

The current surge in hospitalizations is largely due  to the unvaccinated.

Their choice not to get vaccinated impacts EVERYONE because it's causing ICU's to fill up which impacts everyone else who need medical attention....especially urgent care

Here is one example, DFW Area Pediatric ICU Beds More Than 99% Occupied

Stephen Love, President of the DFW Hospital Council, said that will help protect younger children who can’t yet get the vaccine, and keep them out of the hospital.

Unvaccinated people are also giving the virus a large population to infect and give the virus more opportunities to mutate...which again effect EVERYONE

Thank you for your opinion. Where I live, mandates are beginning. You can't visit someone in a hospital or nursing home unless you have a negative test or proof of vaccination. Just the beginning.

One more thing to consider it hospital admissions, mortality ans infections vary by state. There is not a one size fits all approach, but that's exactly how the government is treating this.

[oldtimer1]

youtube banned that doctor's video.

[joswift]

Covid is not the flu

Not sure why you still believe that

Here's a headline from July 2020 ..just to refresh your faulty memory

https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/us-hospital-icus-filling-after-another-record-breaking-day-covid-infections

The current surge in hospitalization is due to unvaccinated people.  Unvaccinated people still make up the vast majority of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.

https://www.vox.com/22602039/breakthrough-cases-covid-19-delta-variant-masks-vaccines

here is the UK case rates from this year to last, the vaccine roll out started 6th December
Notice the cases in August last year compared to August this year after vthe vaccine

Mass testing began in April...

[Coach is Back!]

youtube banned that doctor's video.

Yep...they’re trying to control the narrative

[MCWAY]

Great, then you'll have no problem documenting your claim with number and specific examples
I look forward to seeing that info

You've already seen it.

Nonsense

Not only are CA overall numbers (per capita) better since the beginning of this mess better than Florida...what really matters is what is happening right now

Right now Florida is an absolute disaster and it's all because of the actions of their idiotic Trumptard governor.


https://ktla.com/news/local-news/california-doing-better-with-delta-variant-than-florida-texas-and-experts-attribute-it-to-higher-vaccine-rates-mask-policies/

Wrong again. NY, CA, and FL had the same governors last year. So, one more time, explain all those bodies those states racked up DESPITE THE CONTINUED LOCKDOWNS.


You already admitted that CA kept their mandates and lockdowns in place, long after Florida relaxed theirs.

The actions about which you keep blubbering that DeSantis not taking are ones your screwball governor ALREADY TOOK (and still are taking). Same goes for NY. Yet, you keep making this imbecilic claim that your state's dead bodies don't count because they kicked the bucket last year (or earlier this year).

So, mask mandates had no effect on the regular coronavirus; but now they work miracles against the more contagious Delta remix of it? PLEASE!!!

[MCWAY]

I've answered this question multiple times on this board but I guess I'll do it again

First of all there is no mandate on the general population to get vaccinated

The current surge in hospitalizations is largely due  to the unvaccinated.

Not yet. It never starts with one BIG mandate. DeBlasio just announced one for NYC. You can bet the other blue-city mayors will play copycat in due time.

Their choice not to get vaccinated impacts EVERYONE because it's causing ICU's to fill up which impacts everyone else who need medical attention....especially urgent care

Here is one example, DFW Area Pediatric ICU Beds More Than 99% Occupied

Stephen Love, President of the DFW Hospital Council, said that will help protect younger children who can’t yet get the vaccine, and keep them out of the hospital.

Unvaccinated people are also giving the virus a large population to infect and give the virus more opportunities to mutate...which again effect EVERYONE

Vaccinated people are also giving the virus to a large population; some, unfortunately are getting the full-blown deal, much as people who get flu shots end up with the actual flu.

Then there's that little race thing, where nearly 7 in 10 black people and 6 in 10 Latino HAVE NOT been vaccinated. Of course, let's not forget the same goofballs wailing about people not getting vaccinated this year SCARED THE DICKENS out of minorities last year, telling them not to get that shot.

[Coach is Back!]

Not yet. It never starts with one BIG mandate. DeBlasio just announced one for NYC. You can bet the other blue-city mayors will play copycat in due time.


Vaccinated people are also giving the virus to a large population; some, unfortunately are getting the full-blown deal, much as people who get flu shots end up with the actual flu.

Then there's that little race thing, where nearly 7 in 10 black people and 6 in 10 Latino HAVE NOT been vaccinated. Of course, let's not forget the same goofballs wailing about people not getting vaccinated this year SCARED THE DICKENS out of minorities last year, telling them not to get that shot.

15 days to flatten the curve

[Howard]

These Vaccines are simply repackaged flu shots. From the CDC:


What protection does a flu vaccine provide if I do get sick with flu?
Some people who get vaccinated may still get sick. However, flu vaccination has been shown in several studies to reduce severity of illness in people who get vaccinated but still get sick:

Ok then, let me ask you a serious question:

If you were in charge , what would you do, to deal with the Covid pandemic?

[Dave D]

These threads are great.

No matter what is said it’s wrong because someone can post information that supports their idea, except the other point of view will confirm that source was not credible.

What I know for sure is that soon all the unvaccinated will be dead and the virus will be gone.

[joswift]

These threads are great.

No matter what is said it’s wrong because someone can post information that supports their idea, except the other point of view will confirm that source was not credible.

What I know for sure is that soon all the unvaccinated will be dead and the virus will be gone.

 

[G_Thang]

were they ?

Can you explain what you're basing this on.  Specific dates and comparisons to "most" states

Also, right now they are the worst it's probably in large part because they removed their restrictions earlier than everyone else

This entire country is running 50 different experiments and we'll soon see who make the right choices to keep people as safe as possible

Serum, PCR, and nasal q tip tests all cost $50 wholesale.  Serum tests can be handled by off-brand companies in which they can forward your serum datum to an existing database of previously infected patients and sort out the good, bad, and the ugly (hospitalized on vents which can be determined accurately 90% of the time at this point in history, based on Syracuse Univ medical datum), based on blood profiles, but they cut into the revenue streams of the fucboi vaccine makers and their paid-for hire cronies bc they literally eliminate the portion of the population who will have the same immune response as those who took the fucboi experimental vaccines. So you think pharmacies want off-brand companies cutting into the cash windfall and projected yearly shot revenues which they can literally give to zoo animals (See San Diego Zoo articles) vs. the standard influenza shot which is pretty much limited to the elderly and hospital workers?

Now, where did I say don't get the fucboi vaccine vs. eliminate the day 10 quarantiners who are unvaccinated and will develop natural antibodies equal to the fucboi vaccines, regardless of which vaccinated enhanced viroids come down the hamming generational line?

Your cognitive dissonance is kicking in if you think vaccinated aren't spreaders and aren't vising ERs.

[IroNat]

Pediatric ICU's are normally 95% full at all times apparently.

[residue]

Serious question.... I'd like to hear your view on this since you're a vaccine proponent. Not trying to be an ass.

Why mandate a vaccine on people that have a +99% chance of recovering from Covid? Especially since we now know that the vaccinated can carry / spread the virus?

1) recovering from covid isnt cheap.
2) "If we continue that trajectory, within the next five to seven to 10 days, I think we're going to see failure of the hospital system in Mississippi," Dr. Alan Jones, associate vice chancellor for clinical affairs of the University of Mississippi Medical Center in Jackson, said during a press briefing.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/states-requesting-federal-combat-latest-surge-covid-19/story?id=79402766

 

[WeightPSHR]

1) recovering from covid isnt cheap.
2) "If we continue that trajectory, within the next five to seven to 10 days, I think we're going to see failure of the hospital system in Mississippi," Dr. Alan Jones, associate vice chancellor for clinical affairs of the University of Mississippi Medical Center in Jackson, said during a press briefing.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/states-requesting-federal-combat-latest-surge-covid-19/story?id=79402766

Hospitals near me are nowhere near capacity.... Why is that not being considered when we talk about mandates, lockdowns and other restrictions? Some states may be near capacity and they should be treated independently. This is not a one-size-fits-all like the government is attempting.

[Dave D]

Pediatric ICU's are normally 95% full at all times apparently.

WHAT! And now one is at 99% capacity, that's A 4% PERCENT INCREASE!

This is out of control.

Think of the children. Do something for them.

[IroNat]

Tony Huge had some problems apparently. Did not elaborate much but he says he almost died.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CScENSsJ807/?utm_medium=copy_link

I had the confusion as well, was delirious when I was admitted.

Tony should've consulted John Meadows.

[Humble Narcissist]

Ok then, let me ask you a serious question:

If you were in charge , what would you do, to deal with the Covid pandemic?

Tell old people and people with pre existing conditions to quarantine themselves.  Let Covid run through society and treat those infected with bad symptoms with known medicines like Ivermectin.  If they had done this a year ago we wouldn't have a problem anymore.

[Board_SHERIF]

Ok then, let me ask you a serious question:

If you were in charge , what would you do, to deal with the Covid pandemic?

what is your view on the 100's of thousands of  migrants that came in across your southern border, with many thousands positive for covoid - but flown to cities near you  ?