US regulators give full approval to Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine (NOT!)

[Howard]

that didnt happen

Maybe? But I'd rather be wrong on a getbig dispute then risk cracking on some guy's friend that lost his daughter.
I also don't think anyone would post someone died , just to make a point on getbig.

In either case, you'd have to be a total dick.

[DanM]

The latest facts from real life data is :

1. You're 5x more likely to get Covid if you're UN-vaccinated

2. You're 29x more likely to be hospitalized for serious covid illness if you're UN-vaccinated.

This isn't a close call. Get a vax.

So lets see - vaccine being rushed out in less than a year compared to what is normally a multi year process? Check

Vaccine having no long term data showing that is's safe? Check

Pharmaceutical companies not held liable? Check

The vaccine itself not preventing people from getting covid, spreading covid and doesn't even guarantee that you won't get sick from covid?

and the best you have to say is to get vaxxed?

[harmankardon1]

My friend who just lost her 30 year old daughter to the jab would disagree...

Which vaccine?

This is a highly improbable event.

[Howard]

So lets see - vaccine being rushed out in less than a year compared to what is normally a multi year process? Check

Vaccine having no long term data showing that is's safe? Check

Pharmaceutical companies not held liable? Check

The vaccine itself not preventing people from getting covid, spreading covid and doesn't even guarantee that you won't get sick from covid?

and the best you have to say is to get vaxxed?

I'm curious about something I really wonder about with "vax hesitant" people .
I understand, wanting to learn about a new vaccine is smart and reasonable.
BUT , no amount of answers to questions is ever enough.

For example, I heard plenty say ; " Its not been given a full approval and is just on EAU. "
Ok, we now have age 15 and above , given a full use approval and the same ones say , it's not enough...yet.

I'm no expert, but if the house is on fire, don't you need to put out the blaze before you worry about the furniture?

[Grape Ape]

I'm curious about something I really wonder about with "vax hesitant" people .
I understand, wanting to learn about a new vaccine is smart and reasonable.
BUT , no amount of answers to questions is ever enough.

For example, I heard plenty say ; " Its not been given a full approval and is just on EAU. "
Ok, we now have age 15 and above , given a full use approval and the same ones say , it's not enough...yet.

I'm no expert, but if the house is on fire, don't you need to put out the blaze before you worry about the furniture?

Most of the hospitalizations are still obese.  And those who perish have an average of four co-morbities.

So, for some, the houses you think are on fire are just roasting marshmallows in the back yard.

[Primemuscle]

So lets see - vaccine being rushed out in less than a year compared to what is normally a multi year process? Check

Vaccine having no long term data showing that is's safe? Check

Pharmaceutical companies not held liable? Check

The vaccine itself not preventing people from getting covid, spreading covid and doesn't even guarantee that you won't get sick from covid?

and the best you have to say is to get vaxxed?

Let's say there were no COVID vaccines available today in the U.S. because we were still waiting a 'decade' for the FDA to approve it, (actually the usual approval process only takes a few years in the U.S. as opposed to 67 days in the EU); how many COVID cases would there be here, how many people would have gotten seriously ill and how many people would have died in the U.S. as compared to other countries who fast tracked it as an emergency vaccine in less than a year? Do you think there would be no difference in results between the U.S. and elsewhere?

If there was a noticeably favorable difference in the EU than here, what would people in the U.S. be saying about it? Would they still want to wait several years before making the vaccine available. Would there be a black market for COVID vaccines in the U.S.? It's unlikely people in the U.S. would be able to travel to other countries in order to get vaccinated for obvious reasons....who'd let us in?

Canada's borders closed to U.S. travelers in March 2020. Australia is closed to all travelers from outside the country. The CDC’s international travel recommendations are: Do not travel internationally until you are fully vaccinated.

The Trump administration quietly spent $10 billion from a Covid-19 fund for hospitals and used it to bankroll 'Operation Warp Speed Warp'. Trump frequently takes credit for making the COVID vaccine available as quickly as it was.

[Body-Buildah]

Which vaccine?

This is a highly improbable event.

Why?

She got the jab, went home, got sick that night, rushed to ER, died next day in hospital?
Nothing improbable about it. It did happen to thousands of other people...

[GymnJuice]

Maybe? But I'd rather be wrong on a getbig dispute then risk cracking on some guy's friend that lost his daughter.
I also don't think anyone would post someone died , just to make a point on getbig.

In either case, you'd have to be a total dick.

cough, cough... ahem...

[Primemuscle]

Why?

She got the jab, went home, got sick that night, rushed to ER, died next day in hospital?
Nothing improbable about it. It did happen to thousands of other people...

You've left a lot of information out. Is this because you lack the knowledge or was this intentional? If so, why?

'She got the jab'....which one? There are three different vaccines in the U.S. and two which are not yet available here. Was it her first of second shot? A person is supposed to wait for 15 to 30 minutes before leaving the location where they were vaccinated, so they can be watched for a possible reaction. Anaphylaxis is immediate, usually within seconds after exposure to whatever caused it. What were her symptoms when she got sick at home? What was the doctor's diagnosis in the ER? Was she admitted to ICU or a regular bed? What did the hospital/coroner say she died from? What's on her death  certificate?

[DanM]

I'm curious about something I really wonder about with "vax hesitant" people .
I understand, wanting to learn about a new vaccine is smart and reasonable.
BUT , no amount of answers to questions is ever enough.

For example, I heard plenty say ; " Its not been given a full approval and is just on EAU. "
Ok, we now have age 15 and above , given a full use approval and the same ones say , it's not enough...yet.

I'm no expert, but if the house is on fire, don't you need to put out the blaze before you worry about the furniture?

This is the first wide scale implementation of any sort of mRNA vaccine to my knowledge.

Pushing younger individual who statistically have a very low chance of morality from covid to partake in this experiment seems a bit insane

It would make a bit more sense if by getting the vaccine they couldn't pass it on to those who are actually statistically at risk, but that isn't even the case

[IroNat]

The extended EUA is only for age 12-15 NOT anyone over age 15.
The very next line on the same FDA release states this.
This was a "cut and paste " scam to support misinformation!

Howard,
My link is direct from the FDA website.  There is no cut and paste.

[residue]

Why?

She got the jab, went home, got sick that night, rushed to ER, died next day in hospital?
Nothing improbable about it. It did happen to thousands of other people...

post the obituary

[Zillotch]

Howard,
My link is direct from the FDA website.  There is no cut and paste.

[G_Thang]

post the obituary

She passed away with a smile like Marvin Hagler. As his wife said, it couldn't have possibly been the vaccine while Thomas Hearn said, he was doing well until he took the shot. Who is full of it?

[Vince B]

WHO, CDC, and FDA are all suspect bodies. Why? They are not being open and scientific. They established what is 'true' and disregarded other evidence no matter how important or solid. The provisions of the emergency approval states that there are no existing treatments or drugs available to use on Covid 19. They are literally breaking their own rules and are gifting the pharmaceutical companies no liability re their vaccines. There are no long term trials so what we have are "vaccines" rushed through for the huge financial rewards. If you follow the relevant research online you will discover that expert scientists are having information removed or suppressed. There is little to no information available re treatment for the virus. Prophylactics are not being made available or even recommended. This really is an ugly situation and I wonder what is behind the coverups and suppressions. Couldn't be money, could it? Millions of people have died or been hospitalised because of the virus. At the moment the existing vaccines do not give immunity to new strains of the virus. From what I have seen on line from doctors those masks don't offer sufficient protection. The viruses can pass straight through them. Now we find the FDA issuing an approval for a drug that isn't available but the public won't know that. What compounds matters is that the media is in bed with the government and pharmaceutical companies. This really is a dark age for science and truth. There are other treatments available for combating this virus but the public is kept in the dark.

Look up Bret Weinstein.

[G_Thang]

WHO, CDC, and FDA are all suspect bodies. Why? They are not being open and scientific. They established what is 'true' and disregarded other evidence no matter how important or solid. The provisions of the emergency approval states that there are no existing treatments or drugs available to use on Covid 19. They are literally breaking their own rules and are gifting the pharmaceutical companies no liability re their vaccines. There are no long term trials so what we have are "vaccines" rushed through for the huge financial rewards. If you follow the relevant research online you will discover that expert scientists are having information removed or suppressed. There is little to no information available re treatment for the virus. Prophylactics are not being made available or even recommended. This really is an ugly situation and I wonder what is behind the coverups and suppressions. Couldn't be money, could it? Millions of people have died or been hospitalised because of the virus. At the moment the existing vaccines do not give immunity to new strains of the virus. From what I have seen on line from doctors those masks don't offer sufficient protection. The viruses can pass straight through them. Now we find the FDA issuing an approval for a drug that isn't available but the public won't know that. What compounds matters is that the media is in bed with the government and pharmaceutical companies. This really is a dark age for science and truth. There are other treatments available for combating this virus but the public is kept in the dark.

Look up Bret Weinstein.

Masks equal reduction in viral load from a direct or indirect aerosol.  Even a massive load can compromise a healthy immune system.  The point is, these cluster phucks if they were tied into the pharmacies could easily do serum tests.  This would identify those who need the fucboi shots and allow them to consult on a personal level with their trusted PCPs. 

[Howard]

Howard,
My link is direct from the FDA website.  There is no cut and paste.

Ok, but you failed to provide the entire decision.

The continued EUA status is ONLY for ages 12-15.
The Pfizer vaccine has been given full approval for anyone over 15.

I repeat , the Pfizer vaccine has full FDA approval for everyone over age 15.

Go to FDA.gov and read the ENTIRE 1st pg  press release if you think I'm lying.

Please stop spreading misleading info.

[Howard]

Why?

She got the jab, went home, got sick that night, rushed to ER, died next day in hospital?
Nothing improbable about it. It did happen to thousands of other people...

Ok, death of a loved one is no joke and I am sorry for your friend's tragic loss.
However, it wasn't due to the covid vaccine.

I went and checked on this and there is no direct link to death from taking a covid vaccine.
Sadly, people died from plenty of OTHER reasons AFTER they got a shot.

When a loved one dies, it's natural to be angry and want to blame something.
BUT, there are no credible reports of death , directly caused from getting the covid vaccine.

[Howard]

Most of the hospitalizations are still obese.  And those who perish have an average of four co-morbities.

So, for some, the houses you think are on fire are just roasting marshmallows in the back yard.

Fair enough, but you may have missed my main point.

In my OPINION,  "minimizing of the covid threat" is a form of denial .
Some anti-vaxers wrongly believe being defiant shows the virus " No fear".

In order to take a vaccine, one must accept the virus is a real , serious health risk.
By denying that reality, they feel safer and don't need to deal with the problem.

Maybe, this makes some people FEEL better, but it doesn't change reality.
Right now, we have a safe and effective vaccine that can eradicate covid IF most people get it.

Take the vaccine, it's our best shot.

[Howard]

WHO, CDC, and FDA are all suspect bodies. Why? They are not being open and scientific. They established what is 'true' and disregarded other evidence no matter how important or solid. The provisions of the emergency approval states that there are no existing treatments or drugs available to use on Covid 19. They are literally breaking their own rules and are gifting the pharmaceutical companies no liability re their vaccines. There are no long term trials so what we have are "vaccines" rushed through for the huge financial rewards. If you follow the relevant research online you will discover that expert scientists are having information removed or suppressed. There is little to no information available re treatment for the virus. Prophylactics are not being made available or even recommended. This really is an ugly situation and I wonder what is behind the coverups and suppressions. Couldn't be money, could it? Millions of people have died or been hospitalised because of the virus. At the moment the existing vaccines do not give immunity to new strains of the virus. From what I have seen on line from doctors those masks don't offer sufficient protection. The viruses can pass straight through them. Now we find the FDA issuing an approval for a drug that isn't available but the public won't know that. What compounds matters is that the media is in bed with the government and pharmaceutical companies. This really is a dark age for science and truth. There are other treatments available for combating this virus but the public is kept in the dark.

Look up Bret Weinstein.

Ok, fair enough as every organization is run by humans and no human is 100% perfect.
BUT, like getting the vaccine, it's the best we can do.

What's your sources? Are they some obscure , unverified and misleading information?

More importantly, what methods and meds do you advise to eradicate covid ?

[Tapeworm]

Let it go, Howard. Be happy with the choice you made. Others will make their own. Can you find a way to be ok with that?

[Grape Ape]

Fair enough, but you may have missed my main point.


Right now, we have a safe and effective vaccine that can eradicate covid IF most people get it.

Take the vaccine, it's our best shot.

The main point is you need to stop repeating this mantra about eradication because even Fauci doesn't agree:


https://www.wpr.org/fauci-says-covid-19-might-not-be-eliminated-it-can-be-controlled

"When you look at an infectious disease, you ultimately either eradicate it, you eliminate it or you control it. And there's various levels of control," he said. "We've only eradicated one infectious disease in literally history, and that is smallpox by a very effective vaccination campaign."

Fauci stressed that he doesn't know what the case will be with COVID-19.

"I would hope that we can eliminate it from our society," he said. "But that may not be in the cards, at least for the foreseeable future. We may hopefully be able to control it enough so that it doesn't disrupt society the way it is doing right now."

Our best shot would be to get off our asses, eat well, exercise, increase our overall metabolic health, and have healthier immune systems.

Those who are compromised, or feel their risk profile is higher, can get the mRNA therapy or the JJ vax.

[Howard]

Let it go, Howard. Be happy with the choice you made. Others will make their own. Can you find a way to be ok with that?

I sincerely wish we all could make our own choices and accept our fates.

However, Covid is an transmitted thru the air and many people can feel fine and still spread the virus.
In terms of PUBLIC health, like it or not, we're all in this together.

I'll end with this goofy example to try and make my point ( with a chuckle )

You may feel it's your right to fart in a crowded elevator, but everyone still has to smell it.

[OneMoreRep]

More importantly, what methods and meds do you advise to eradicate covid ?

Howard,

Have we eradicated the common cold? You know, the same cold caused by viruses in the Coronavirus family..

Let me know, as most "Medical Experts" I've researched on this topic from the New England Journal of Medicine and as far as to the Lancet all state that none of them think we can either eliminate nor eradicate this coronavirus just as we've failed to eradicate the common cold. What their hopes are is that we could some day be able to transition from the current pandemic to a steady, but much lower, endemic rate of infection.

I get your stance and optimism behind solving the puzzle that is this pandemic, but realize that getting the vaccine isn't the silver bullet you are hoping for. It might help (I can fairly state that), but it won't solve the problem. As you've now realized, they have approved booster shots for those that received their second does over 8 months ago. Now, what are the odds that they will require yearly or biannual boosters? Likely pretty high. Doesn't sound like a solution to me, but I respect your stance if you want to get shots every 6-12 months to protect you from something that you have a 99% chance of beating on your own.

"1"

[Howard]

Howard,

Have we eradicated the common cold? You know, the same cold caused by viruses in the Coronavirus family..

Let me know, as most "Medical Experts" I've researched on this topic from the New England Journal of Medicine and as far as to the Lancet all state that none of them think we can either eliminate nor eradicate this coronavirus just as we've failed to eradicate the common cold. What their hopes are is that we could some day be able to transition from the current pandemic to a steady, but much lower, endemic rate of infection.

I get your stance and optimism behind solving the puzzle that is this pandemic, but realize that getting the vaccine isn't the silver bullet you are hoping for. It might help (I can fairly state that), but it won't solve the problem. As you've now realized, they have approved booster shots for those that received their second does over 8 months ago. Now, what are the odds that they will require yearly or biannual boosters? Likely pretty high. Doesn't sound like a solution to me, but I respect your stance if you want to get shots every 6-12 months to protect you from something that you have a 99% chance of beating on your own.

"1"

I know the vaccine isn't perfect but it's pretty damn good at dealing with covid.
Yup, like most vaccines we may eventually need an extra shot aka " booster".

Covid is a much more serious threat to the public health, then the common cold or seasonal flu.

Ok, so your idea is to basically accept/ignore the virus as it's " No big deal? "
In my judgement, you're trying to minimize the actual threat .

You made a reasonable post, but, your ideas are no solution.
With that attitude we'd still have Polio outbreaks crippling countless victims .

I'll go with the vaccines and trying to eradicate this terrible virus from the public health scene.