Pro Card Material?

[Body-Buildah]

Nothing against this guy, he looks good for 56. But back when some greats (Rory, Mendenhall, etc) couldnt get a card, now they hand them out.
Bhanks still has  a chance I guess?


56-YEAR OLD WINS IFBB PRO CARD! Scott Mabry Interview | RX Spotlight

[bhank]

Nothing against this guy, he looks good for 56. But back when some greats (Rory, Mendenhall, etc) couldnt get a card, now they hand them out.
Bhanks still has  a chance I guess?


56-YEAR OLD WINS IFBB PRO CARD! Scott Mabry Interview | RX Spotlight

You godamn right Bhank has a chance you have to trust the process. I will be lean and shredded on stage 3 days after I post my bloated fat fuck pics

A lot of guys need to slowly diet for weeks to get lean and will look a lot leaner a week out I get that. My body will eat itself in 3 days. I need to full on bulk all the way to the week of the show to come in as full as possible.

[Van_Bilderass]

It's pretty stupid to hand out pro cards to veteran competitors. The ones who should be getting the cards should be the best in the show, no? How fair is it that the vets are worse than dozens of other competitors at the show who don't get a card? I guess this is the price for long and faithful NPC careers.

I can tell this fella won based on billowing lines made btter by aesthetic type posing, even if his absolute muscle mass isn't much different from bhanks. More blocky competitors often have problems with these types even if they hold a lot more mass.

[Van_Bilderass]

A lot of guys need to slowly diet for weeks to get lean and will look a lot leaner a week out I get that. My body will eat itself in 3 days. I need to full on bulk all the way to the week of the show to come in as full as possible.

Maybe you are like Dave Palumbo. He says he needed McDonalds twice per day or he would wither away. Double quarter pounders! If you decide you want a coach that is who you should get 

[bhank]

It's pretty stupid to hand out pro cards to veteran competitors. The ones who should be getting the cards should be the best in the show, no? How fair is it that the vets are worse than dozens of other competitors at the show who don't get a card? I guess this is the price for long and faithful NPC careers.

I can tell this fella won based on billowing lines made btter by aesthetic type posing, even if his absolute muscle mass isn't much different from bhanks. More blocky competitors often have problems with these types even if they hold a lot more mass.

Exactly dude isn't very big he is my size certainly not what I would consider a pro ready to pose down with Nick Walker

[Taffin]

Nothing against this guy, he looks good for 56. But back when some greats (Rory, Mendenhall, etc) couldnt get a card, now they hand them out.
Bhanks still has  a chance I guess?


56-YEAR OLD WINS IFBB PRO CARD! Scott Mabry Interview | RX Spotlight

Regardless of age, those must be some of the lowest lat insertions I've ever seen...

#genetics_FTW

[Humble Narcissist]

Regardless of age, those must be some of the lowest lat insertions I've ever seen...

#genetics_FTW

Yes, almost clear down to his waist.

[IroNat]

So, when you have a pro-card where do you go to get your paycheck?

[webstar]

So, when you have a pro-card where do you go to get your paycheck?

Once you sign up for a 401k the IFBB matches your contributions. Than you start getting the pay cheques and medical coverage.

[IroNat]

Once you sign up for a 401k the IFBB matches your contributions. Than you start getting the pay cheques and medical coverage.

lol

[OneMoreRep]

This handing out of Pro Cards issue has been a debate for many years. I believe that back in the 1970's they would give less of these cards out. Then, over the course of the 90's and up to present day they hand out more and more of these cards with less stringent selection criteria.

The "rumor" is that the IFBB gives them out more freely than before because it helps to generate income by way of fees. When you are an IFBB pro, you have to pay fees to hold that title/card. Don't quote me here as I haven't kept up with the latest schedule of fees, but I believe the feed to hold an IFBB pro card for a year is $250. Paying this yearly fee allows you to compete in pro shows until the end of the year. So, if you compete for the next 3 years, at the bare minimum you have to pay $750 to the IFBB, regardless of you winning show money or not.

Now, to give you all perspective, here's the most current list of competitors that have been awarded IFBB pro cards:

https://www.ifbbpro.com/2021-npc-npc-worldwide-pro-card-winners/

Just by a quick visual glance, there's probably anywhere around 5-600 people that were awarded IFBB pro cards in 2021 so far and the year isn't over. If any of you have more sophisticated ways of giving me a proper head count from the list of new IFBB pros on that website above, please correct my guesstimate.

So, lets assume there's about 600 new active IFBB pros this year alone. That count would generate about $150,000 in IFBB pro card fees for the IFBB. The year still has another 4 months and so we can see that number increase of course. Couple whatever this year's new IFBB pro cards generate with the fact that every long-term and active IFBB pro that still competes today has to pay their yearly annual fee and you have a good chunk of money.

Again, the issue on hand has always been whether the IFBB pro cards are given out in very generous fashion because they're a quick way to generate money for the IFBB. Whether or not that is a true phenomenon is above my pay grade.

Your thoughts?

"1"

[IroNat]

This handing out of Pro Cards issue has been a debate for many years. I believe that back in the 1970's they would give less of these cards out. Then, over the course of the 90's and up to present day they hand out more and more of these cards with less stringent selection criteria.

The "rumor" is that the IFBB gives them out more freely than before because it helps to generate income by way of fees. When you are an IFBB pro, you have to pay fees to hold that title/card. Don't quote me here as I haven't kept up with the latest schedule of fees, but I believe the feed to hold an IFBB pro card for a year is $250. Paying this yearly fee allows you to compete in pro shows until the end of the year. So, if you compete for the next 3 years, at the bare minimum you have to pay $750 to the IFBB, regardless of you winning show money or not.

Now, to give you all perspective, here's the most current list of competitors that have been awarded IFBB pro cards:

https://www.ifbbpro.com/2021-npc-npc-worldwide-pro-card-winners/

Just by a quick visual glance, there's probably anywhere around 5-600 people that were awarded IFBB pro cards in 2021 so far and the year isn't over. If any of you have more sophisticated ways of giving me a proper head count from the list of new IFBB pros on that website above, please correct my guesstimate.

So, lets assume there's about 600 new active IFBB pros this year alone. That count would generate about $150,000 in IFBB pro card fees for the IFBB. The year still has another 4 months and so we can see that number increase of course. Couple whatever this year's new IFBB pro cards generate with the fact that every long-term and active IFBB pro that still competes today has to pay their yearly annual fee and you have a good chunk of money.

Again, the issue on hand has always been whether the IFBB pro cards are given out in very generous fashion because they're a quick way to generate money for the IFBB. Whether or not that is a true phenomenon is above my pay grade.

Your thoughts?

"1"

Follow the money.

[Howard]

This handing out of Pro Cards issue has been a debate for many years. I believe that back in the 1970's they would give less of these cards out. Then, over the course of the 90's and up to present day they hand out more and more of these cards with less stringent selection criteria.

The "rumor" is that the IFBB gives them out more freely than before because it helps to generate income by way of fees. When you are an IFBB pro, you have to pay fees to hold that title/card. Don't quote me here as I haven't kept up with the latest schedule of fees, but I believe the feed to hold an IFBB pro card for a year is $250. Paying this yearly fee allows you to compete in pro shows until the end of the year. So, if you compete for the next 3 years, at the bare minimum you have to pay $750 to the IFBB, regardless of you winning show money or not.

Now, to give you all perspective, here's the most current list of competitors that have been awarded IFBB pro cards:

https://www.ifbbpro.com/2021-npc-npc-worldwide-pro-card-winners/

Just by a quick visual glance, there's probably anywhere around 5-600 people that were awarded IFBB pro cards in 2021 so far and the year isn't over. If any of you have more sophisticated ways of giving me a proper head count from the list of new IFBB pros on that website above, please correct my guesstimate.

So, lets assume there's about 600 new active IFBB pros this year alone. That count would generate about $150,000 in IFBB pro card fees for the IFBB. The year still has another 4 months and so we can see that number increase of course. Couple whatever this year's new IFBB pro cards generate with the fact that every long-term and active IFBB pro that still competes today has to pay their yearly annual fee and you have a good chunk of money.

Again, the issue on hand has always been whether the IFBB pro cards are given out in very generous fashion because they're a quick way to generate money for the IFBB. Whether or not that is a true phenomenon is above my pay grade.

Your thoughts?

Good post and sums up the new pro card issue.

I'd just add the extra income that comes in from the entry fees at npc national (USA) level pro qualifiers.
With all the new divisions ( especially bikini) the big national contests now get 1000 or more going for that "pro card".

I just checked and the entry fee for each class at the 2021 nationals is $375 !
Using simple math , 1000 entrants x $ 375 = $375,000 for just contest entries.

Now , add :contest sponsors, booth rentals and  night show ticket sales * mostly to friends/family of competitors .

Consider that the vast majority of most in these contests will never get close to winning a pro card.
The vast majority of new pros will remain obscure IFBB pros, limited to a small following on social media.

This is "yearbook 101" marketing*.
The vast majority of sales $$ comes from those in it, along with their close friends and family .

This approach guarantees a steady income stream for those running it .
However, this insular business model insures BB contests will remain obscure events.

[Body-Buildah]

Then they pay the winner of a Pro Show 10K (like Iain in TX last week).
Scammer company the IFBB...

[Hypertrophy]

Regardless of age, those must be some of the lowest lat insertions I've ever seen...

#genetics_FTW

Well...

[Hypertrophy]

Good post and sums up the new pro card issue.

I'd just add the extra income that comes in from the entry fees at npc national (USA) level pro qualifiers.
With all the new divisions ( especially bikini) the big national contests now get 1000 or more going for that "pro card".

I just checked and the entry fee for each class at the 2021 nationals is $375 !
Using simple math , 1000 entrants x $ 375 = $375,000 for just contest entries.

Now , add :contest sponsors, booth rentals and  night show ticket sales * mostly to friends/family of competitors .

Consider that the vast majority of most in these contests will never get close to winning a pro card.
The vast majority of new pros will remain obscure IFBB pros, limited to a small following on social media.

This is "yearbook 101" marketing*.
The vast majority of sales $$ comes from those in it, along with their close friends and family .

This approach guarantees a steady income stream for those running it .
However, this insular business model insures BB contests will remain obscure events.

Really, no different than other individual vanity sports. The Ironman triathlon in Lake Placid, for example,  charges  $799 per entry and less than 0.01%  of the competitors are in the running for the top 10 overall. 1742 people entered in 2021, so 1.3 million in entry fees. They all got cheap medals.

[Hypertrophy]

Again, the issue on hand has always been whether the IFBB pro cards are given out in very generous fashion because they're a quick way to generate money for the IFBB. Whether or not that is a true phenomenon is above my pay grade.

Your thoughts?

"1"

No it's not- you are one of the most intelligent posters here. IFBB management are hucksters.

[Howard]

You godamn right Bhank has a chance you have to trust the process. I will be lean and shredded on stage 3 days after I post my bloated fat fuck pics

A lot of guys need to slowly diet for weeks to get lean and will look a lot leaner a week out I get that. My body will eat itself in 3 days. I need to full on bulk all the way to the week of the show to come in as full as possible.

With your injuries it will be tough to for you to  gain the leg mass needed to win a masters pro qualifier.
Yes, it's possible, but you're in for an uphill battle.

The one thing I can guarantee is you're going to spend a LOT more $$ going for it .
Look at the amount you spent just doing an NPC show in your region?!

Even if you  win a pro card , it won't lead to much besides forum and social media glory.
Hey now, if that's worth it to ya, knock yourself out going for it.
Plenty of guys spend a lot more playing golf or boating/fishing, so WTF.

I already know, you won't listen to me, but I wanted to post my opinion.

[wes]

 Scott Mabry won his card at the Maters Nationals in Classic Physique Over-50.

[MAXX]

his right pec is hanging on by a string

[Howard]

Scott Mabry won his card at the Maters Nationals in Classic Physique Over-50.

LOL, good repeat zinger.

I know we BOTH can relate to guys like Scott and wish we won a card in an older masters qualifier.
But, what kind of pro career is anyone going to have who went pro like this?
The easy answer is : Not much.

Earning a pro card, should mean you now have a shot at legit pro career.
It was never intended to be a nice honor for older competitors.
BUT, you need the pro card as bait to greatly increase entry numbers in pro qualifiers.
No other pro sports start "drafting" guys in their 50's .
If you didn't get into the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, etc , by your 30's, it's over.

[Howard]

Really, no different than other individual vanity sports. The Ironman triathlon in Lake Placid, for example,  charges  $799 per entry and less than 0.01%  of the competitors are in the running for the top 10 overall. 1742 people entered in 2021, so 1.3 million in entry fees. They all got cheap medals.

The money from entry fees really sums up the issue, doesn't it. 

I just checked and the avg cost ti climb Mt Everest in $45,000 USD .
The range is $20,000 ( no guides, high risk) to $115,000 for a custom , guided trip.

During peak season , there is a long line near the top, waiting for a few minutes to stand on the actual summit.

Thanks mostly to social media "bragging rights" people will pay , decent $$,for various levels of achievement/status.

In 2002 I went on my 1st cruise and the experience changed my views on spending $$ for "other hobbies" ( like bodybuilding).
In summary, I spent a few bucks, but I literally got wined an dined on board .

After that first cruise, I couldn't imagine suffering thru months of prep only to pay money to be the show and get judged for it.
LOL, I already know I'm nothing great, so , I'd much rather enjoy being a comfortable old douchebag 

[bhank]

With your injuries it will be tough to for you to  gain the leg mass needed to win a masters pro qualifier.
Yes, it's possible, but you're in for an uphill battle.

The one thing I can guarantee is you're going to spend a LOT more $$ going for it .
Look at the amount you spent just doing an NPC show in your region?!

Even if you  win a pro card , it won't lead to much besides forum and social media glory.
Hey now, if that's worth it to ya, knock yourself out going for it.
Plenty of guys spend a lot more playing golf or boating/fishing, so WTF.

I already know, you won't listen to me, but I wanted to post my opinion.

I am gaining leg mass because I want to strengthen my legs. I would be doing the exact same thing whether contest and competitive bodybuilding existed or not. Doing a contest is secondary getting jacked and strengthening my legs is the primary goal here.

The show I entered now has a much cheaper host hotel. The veterans division was also free with registration for any other division. It is also only a half day prejudging and finals in the morning so have all afternoon and evening to explore DC with my girlfriend. Basically taking a weekend vacation to DC and doing a half day show Saturday morning. Total registration for 3 classes was 205$/ Hotel for 2 nights was 394$ but the 2nd night is going to allow us to see and go out in DC. Add in tanning and gas and it is about 800 dollars for the weekend. But it is also a weekend in DC with my girl we will go shopping in Georgetown Saturday afternoon and get diner and drinks on the waterfront Saturday night.

[BB]

Shots from that show -

http://contests.npcnewsonline.com/contests/2021/npc_teen_collegiate__masters_national_championships/torres_mabry/index.php .

Next closest competitor -

http://contests.npcnewsonline.com/contests/2021/npc_teen_collegiate__masters_national_championships/mark_little/index.php .

[bhank]

The money from entry fees really sums up the issue, doesn't it. 

I just checked and the avg cost ti climb Mt Everest in $45,000 USD .
The range is $20,000 ( no guides, high risk) to $115,000 for a custom , guided trip.

During peak season , there is a long line near the top, waiting for a few minutes to stand on the actual summit.

Thanks mostly to social media "bragging rights" people will pay , decent $$,for various levels of achievement/status.

In 2002 I went on my 1st cruise and the experience changed my views on spending $$ for "other hobbies" ( like bodybuilding).
In summary, I spent a few bucks, but I literally got wined an dined on board .

After that first cruise, I couldn't imagine suffering thru months of prep only to pay money to be the show and get judged for it.
LOL, I already know I'm nothing great, so , I'd much rather enjoy being a comfortable old douchebag 

I live on the water and have a pool and my own boat fuck a cruise