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Re: Covid passports on the way
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2021, 12:08:41 PM »

Maybe in the UK - not in the USA.

most countries seems to be going the covid passport route

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Re: Covid passports on the way
« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2021, 12:16:03 PM »
most countries seems to be going the covid passport route
And a lot of businesses asking for them will be closing.
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Re: Covid passports on the way
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2021, 04:26:51 PM »
It won't last long. the tide is turning

I just read an article today that posits the COVID cycle. According to the article historically a surge in the virus last 2 to 2 1/2 months. The article as suggest we've (the U.S.) reach the peak of the Delta surge. Let's hope this is true. What is a concern though IMO is that with each mutation the virus seems to get stronger.   

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Re: Covid passports on the way
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2021, 04:41:29 PM »
I just read an article today that posits the COVID cycle. According to the article historically a surge in the virus last 2 to 2 1/2 months. The article as suggest we've (the U.S.) reach the peak of the Delta surge. Let's hope this is true. What is a concern though IMO is that with each mutation the virus seems to get stronger.


Except it's not. Almost to a T, every viral mutation is weaker. Don;t take my word for it- this is well known in epidemiology:


 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-0690-4

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Re: Covid passports on the way
« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2021, 04:46:26 PM »

Except it's not. Almost to a T, every viral mutation is weaker. Don;t take my word for it- this is well known in epidemiology:


 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-0690-4

So how does this work with Delta supposedly being highly contagious? Does it mean it's easier to catch but when you get it the symptoms are less severe?

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Re: Covid passports on the way
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2021, 04:54:37 PM »
So how does this work with Delta supposedly being highly contagious? Does it mean it's easier to catch but when you get it the symptoms are less severe?


Highly contagious doesn't mean stronger. For example, measles is the most contagious disease know since it exists as an aerosol that suspends in air. The first generation ofCovid-19 was known to be heavier than air and fall off quickly as a person breathed it out. It isn't surprising that later mutations may be more aerosol like. But they lose something in that mutation, and inevitably is is the deadliness of the infection.

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Re: Covid passports on the way
« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2021, 05:48:44 PM »
Well.... official got notified of 2 acquaintances today who died after taking the Vax

One in Australia and the other person was in the US

Thought this shit was a joke about people dying from the vax.. but nope


COVID = 0

VAX = 2


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Re: Covid passports on the way
« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2021, 05:51:41 PM »
And a lot of businesses asking for them will be closing.

maybe thats the idea?

everything run by amazon and walmart

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Re: Covid passports on the way
« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2021, 05:53:25 PM »
Well.... official got notified of 2 acquaintances today who died after taking the Vax

One in Australia and the other person was in the US

Thought this shit was a joke about people dying from the vax.. but nope


COVID = 4.53 million

VAX = 2

Nice try.

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Re: Covid passports on the way
« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2021, 06:05:21 PM »
https://fee.org/articles/harvard-epidemiologist-says-the-case-for-covid-vaccine-passports-was-just-demolished/

Harvard Epidemiologist Says the Case for COVID Vaccine Passports Was Just Demolished
New research found that natural immunity offers exponentially more protection than COVID-19 vaccines.

A newly published medical study found that infection from COVID-19 confers considerably longer-lasting and stronger protection against the Delta variant of the virus than vaccines.

“The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a ‘Don’t try this at home’ label,” the Scientific American reported Thursday. “The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.”

Put another way, vaccinated individuals were 27 times more likely to get a symptomatic COVID infection than those with natural immunity from COVID.

A Death Blow to Vaccine Passports?
The findings come as many governments around the world are demanding citizens acquire “vaccine passports” to travel. New York City, France, and the Canadian provinces of Quebec and British Columbia are among those who have recently embraced vaccine passports.

Meanwhile, Australia has floated the idea of making higher vaccination rates a condition of lifting its lockdown in jurisdictions, while President Joe Biden is considering making interstate travel unlawful for people who have not been vaccinated for COVID-19.

Vaccine passports are morally dubious for many reasons, not the least of which is that freedom of movement is a basic human right. However, vaccine passports become even more senseless in light of the new findings out of Israel and revelations from the CDC, some say.

Harvard Medical School professor Martin Kulldorff said research showing that natural immunity offers exponentially more protection than vaccines means vaccine passports are both unscientific and discriminatory, since they disproportionately affect working class individuals.

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Re: Covid passports on the way
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2021, 06:08:51 PM »
Nice try.

people I know.. not total people clown

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Re: Covid passports on the way
« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2021, 07:17:45 PM »
people I know.. not total people clown

Apologies.  I'm being lazy.  Truthfully, my experience is exactly the opposite.  I have a dead cousin and co-worker courtesy of covid and nobody I know has succumbed from the vaccine. 

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Re: Covid passports on the way
« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2021, 08:10:41 PM »
So how does this work with Delta supposedly being highly contagious? Does it mean it's easier to catch but when you get it the symptoms are less severe?


What's it like to have a strong opinion with absolutely no idea what you are talking about?

This is basic stuff...if viruses got stronger we wouldn't even be here as humans.