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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2021, 07:26:04 AM »
Simply crazy.  MSM, big Pharma, Big Tech, and the Democratic party must be held to account.  Suppressing information on therapeutics like IVM has cost hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions in national treasure.  To what end?  Profits for big pharma and big tech and control for the Democratic party.   Don't forget what has been done to us.


What, are republicans going to save us? HA.

They had a mandate with Trump and slow rolled all that they could.

We are not in the club, figure it out folks.

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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2021, 07:34:17 AM »

What, are republicans going to save us? HA.

They had a mandate with Trump and slow rolled all that they could.

We are not in the club, figure it out folks.

I wouldn't say it was a mandate. You still have to weed out RINOs.

Remember Collins, Murkowski, and especially that bum McCain are the reasons we couldn't repeal ObamaCare.

And if McCain were still alive in late 2018, we don't get Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court.

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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2021, 07:38:55 AM »
Doctors have been using this drug on people for decades. Yes, animals and people share the same drugs but of course in different doses. 

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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2021, 07:56:01 AM »
I wouldn't say it was a mandate. You still have to weed out RINOs.

Remember Collins, Murkowski, and especially that bum McCain are the reasons we couldn't repeal ObamaCare.

And if McCain were still alive in late 2018, we don't get Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court.


Big govt RINOs = most of the GOP party. As a whole the party is dumb to the leftist tactics and too slow to react to be an effective counter.

Fiscal conservatism has been lost as an issue...buried in covid printing and it doesn't buy votes. What are they going to run on, values and morality? Not in this day and age. It's about freebies and feelings.

Republicans want to part the country out a little more slowly than dems, other than that both have us on the same track. Judged on deeds not words.


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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2021, 12:14:40 PM »

............like you never told supported lies & misinformations about Portland ANTIFA existence + how Trump feds kidnap peaceful protesters from that place.

The Feds did kidnap/abduct/detain folks at random during at least one demonstration. Do you have valid information that says otherwise?


Federal Officers Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab People In Portland, DHS Confirms

NPR - OPB July 2020

Federal law enforcement officers have been using unmarked vehicles to drive around downtown Portland and detain protesters since at least Tuesday. Personal accounts and multiple videos posted online show the officers driving up to people, detaining individuals with no explanation about why they are being arrested, and driving off.


https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-use-unmarked-vehicles-to-grab-protesters-in-portland

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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2021, 12:21:21 PM »
Yeah, I saw that and had to laugh. CDC information is hit and miss (mode miss) and Fouci has been a complete miss since AIDS. Dude is a complete political hack. But with some of he tells you how high to jump the lefts answer would be “how high”?

Incompetency pay well. Dr. Anthony Fauci made $417,608 in 2019, the latest year for which federal salaries are available. That made him not only the highest paid doctor in the federal government, but the highest paid out of all four million federal employees.

In a ten-year period between 2010 and 2019, Fauci made $3.6 million in salary. Since 2014, Fauci’s pay increased from $335,000 to the current $417,608.

The 80-year-old Dr. Fauci holds a medical degree from Cornell University and began his 53-year career at NIH in 1968. He assumed his NIAID Director position in 1984 and has advised every president since President Ronald Reagan[
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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2021, 12:33:34 PM »


The hypocrisy isn't from the CDC, per se. It's from the media and political pundits, PRETENDING that humans haven't used this drug until now.

Unfortunately, some people are going to take shortcuts and get the veterinarian version of Ivermectin, much like bodybuilders getting veterinarian grades of steroids, as MuscleMag's "Uncensored" column used to mention. They're not as sanitary and can cause infections and other side effects.

"Veterinary grade" drugs are just as good and clean as human grade drugs, there is no difference. What MMI talked about, Mexican veterinary steroids, were more like UG drugs. They weren't made for animals, they were made for the human black market. Even then they were usually just as good if the actors were serious. Just as people like Duchaine said - buy vet testosterone, it's the same, just cheaper.

I haven't looked at the Ivermectin paste, but unless it contains some unnecessary additives it's the same as the human drug.

Think about it, peoples pets or million dollar horses are every bit as important to them as humans, they aren't goung to accept substandard drugs for their dogs or whatever.

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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2021, 12:39:13 PM »
Since?

The guy is a shill for the medical establishment. Always has been. He had those poor booty bandits  on 20 different drugs back in the 80’s.

Dr. Fauci was asked if he had millions of dollars invested in the vaccines. Dr. Fauci laughed and answered, “Matthew, no, I got zero! I am a government worker. I have a government salary.”
 
Being as how Dr. Fauci is the highest paid government employee, he'd be an idiot to accept gifts from the medical establishment or any other organization because it would not only cost him his job, he would be fined heavily.

He would also risk being charged and imprisoned.

The punishment for an offense under section 203, 204, 205, 207, 208, or 209 of this title is the following:
(1)Whoever engages in the conduct constituting the offense shall be imprisoned for not more than one year or fined in the amount set forth in this title, or both.
(2)Whoever willfully engages in the conduct constituting the offense shall be imprisoned for not more than five years or fined in the amount set forth in this title, or both.

https://www.ethics.usda.gov/rules/guides/deskref.htm#3_1

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/208

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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2021, 12:46:54 PM »
Dr. Fauci was asked if he had millions of dollars invested in the vaccines. Dr. Fauci laughed and answered, “Matthew, no, I got zero! I am a government worker. I have a government salary.”
 
Being as how Dr. Fauci is the highest paid government employee, he'd be an idiot to accept gifts from the medical establishment or any other organization because it would not only cost him his job, he would be fined heavily.

He would also risk being charged and imprisoned.

The punishment for an offense under section 203, 204, 205, 207, 208, or 209 of this title is the following:
(1)Whoever engages in the conduct constituting the offense shall be imprisoned for not more than one year or fined in the amount set forth in this title, or both.
(2)Whoever willfully engages in the conduct constituting the offense shall be imprisoned for not more than five years or fined in the amount set forth in this title, or both.

https://www.ethics.usda.gov/rules/guides/deskref.htm#3_1

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/208

And you actually believe him? He’s a Bureaucrat leading this debacle. His been in for 6 Presidents. He’s among the dirtiest in this country and at this point makes Stalin look innocent 

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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2021, 12:48:34 PM »
He also works for the company who owns a RONA-Vax patent. Bizarre

It would be bizarre if true. It would also be and ethics violation that would cost him his extremely high paying government job, he'd be fined and maybe even imprisoned. 

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« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2021, 12:58:09 PM »
And you actually believe him? He’s a Bureaucrat leading this debacle. His been in for 6 Presidents. He’s among the dirtiest in this country and at this point makes Stalin look innocent

I believe him because he stood and still stands to lose more than he could gain as well as his freedom. That he's held his position since Reagan was president actually supports his honesty and integrity. Would not your buddy Trump have fired him? It's not like Fauci didn't ever publicly disagree with Trump. Trump had no qualms about firing and discrediting anyone he didn't like.   

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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2021, 01:09:30 PM »
"Veterinary grade" drugs are just as good and clean as human grade drugs, there is no difference. What MMI talked about, Mexican veterinary steroids, were more like UG drugs. They weren't made for animals, they were made for the human black market. Even then they were usually just as good if the actors were serious. Just as people like Duchaine said - buy vet testosterone, it's the same, just cheaper.

I haven't looked at the Ivermectin paste, but unless it contains some unnecessary additives it's the same as the human drug.

Think about it, peoples pets or million dollar horses are every bit as important to them as humans, they aren't goung to accept substandard drugs for their dogs or whatever.


Then why do you see veterinarian-grade drugs with big red letters that say, "Veterinarian use only; not fit for human consumption" or something to that effect?

Dan Duchaine was one of MuscleMag's (Greg Zulak, in particular) favorite sources on anabolics. Zulak repeatedly told horror stories of bodybuilders getting infections or sickness, using roids meant for horses and cattle instead of people.


Why would Mexico need a steroid black market when those substances are perfectly legal? When I went on vacation to Mexico four years ago, my wife was looking for a pharmacy to get a pain reliever. We found one and while looking for the medicine she requested, I saw a row of anabolics drugs (mostly testosterone). It was right next to the aspirin or Tylenol.

If I recall also, wasn't the scuttlebutt that a lot of bodybuilders moved to California, so they could jump the border to get their anabolics legally? Some even injected their substance in Mexico, rather than risk smuggling them across the US border and getting arrested.

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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2021, 01:13:45 PM »
I believe him because he stood and still stands to lose more than he could gain as well as his freedom. That he's held his position since Reagan was president actually supports his honesty and integrity. Would not your buddy Trump have fired him? It's not like Fauci didn't ever publicly disagree with Trump. Trump had no qualms about firing and discrediting anyone he didn't like.   


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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2021, 01:24:59 PM »
I believe him because he stood and still stands to lose more than he could gain as well as his freedom. That he's held his position since Reagan was president actually supports his honesty and integrity. Would not your buddy Trump have fired him? It's not like Fauci didn't ever publicly disagree with Trump. Trump had no qualms about firing and discrediting anyone he didn't like.   

When was the last time a prominent Dem lost anything because of wrongdoing? I honestly didn’t think you were this naive. Does it bother you that Fouci’s wife is the Chief of Bioethics at the NIH?

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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2021, 01:26:47 PM »
I believe him because he stood and still stands to lose more than he could gain as well as his freedom. That he's held his position since Reagan was president actually supports his honesty and integrity. Would not your buddy Trump have fired him? It's not like Fauci didn't ever publicly disagree with Trump. Trump had no qualms about firing and discrediting anyone he didn't like.   

Trump was interviewed the other day he said "America is run by a cartel, not Biden"

He knows the President doesnt have the final say.

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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #40 on: September 06, 2021, 02:27:38 PM »
The Feds did kidnap/abduct/detain folks at random during at least one demonstration. Do you have valid information that says otherwise?


Federal Officers Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab People In Portland, DHS Confirms

NPR - OPB July 2020

Federal law enforcement officers have been using unmarked vehicles to drive around downtown Portland and detain protesters since at least Tuesday. Personal accounts and multiple videos posted online show the officers driving up to people, detaining individuals with no explanation about why they are being arrested, and driving off.


https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-use-unmarked-vehicles-to-grab-protesters-in-portland

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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #41 on: September 06, 2021, 02:33:01 PM »

Then why do you see veterinarian-grade drugs with big red letters that say, "Veterinarian use only; not fit for human consumption" or something to that effect?

Dan Duchaine was one of MuscleMag's (Greg Zulak, in particular) favorite sources on anabolics. Zulak repeatedly told horror stories of bodybuilders getting infections or sickness, using roids meant for horses and cattle instead of people.


Why would Mexico need a steroid black market when those substances are perfectly legal? When I went on vacation to Mexico four years ago, my wife was looking for a pharmacy to get a pain reliever. We found one and while looking for the medicine she requested, I saw a row of anabolics drugs (mostly testosterone). It was right next to the aspirin or Tylenol.

If I recall also, wasn't the scuttlebutt that a lot of bodybuilders moved to California, so they could jump the border to get their anabolics legally? Some even injected their substance in Mexico, rather than risk smuggling them across the US border and getting arrested.

THIS  :D

Hey, how many bodybears died from eating horse meat  ;D


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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2021, 02:47:02 PM »

Then why do you see veterinarian-grade drugs with big red letters that say, "Veterinarian use only; not fit for human consumption" or something to that effect?

Dan Duchaine was one of MuscleMag's (Greg Zulak, in particular) favorite sources on anabolics. Zulak repeatedly told horror stories of bodybuilders getting infections or sickness, using roids meant for horses and cattle instead of people.


Why would Mexico need a steroid black market when those substances are perfectly legal? When I went on vacation to Mexico four years ago, my wife was looking for a pharmacy to get a pain reliever. We found one and while looking for the medicine she requested, I saw a row of anabolics drugs (mostly testosterone). It was right next to the aspirin or Tylenol.

If I recall also, wasn't the scuttlebutt that a lot of bodybuilders moved to California, so they could jump the border to get their anabolics legally? Some even injected their substance in Mexico, rather than risk smuggling them across the US border and getting arrested.

The warning is just some bureucratic thing. So people are discouraged from buying cheaper vet drugs.

The Mexicans made "vet steroids" expressly for the US black market. There is very little market for anabolics in Mexico. Real vet anabolics used for actual animals might be some 50mg/ml boldenone and some Winstrol or whatever. But then you suddenly had 200-300mg/ml boldenone (Equipoise) and every single anabolic that had buyers among bodybuilders. They were never used on any animals, that's for sure. There were some US nationals starting UG labs down there, called them vet steroids because they thought this would somehow add a layer of protection from US prosecution. Duchaine I think had some lab there. Recently a video was posted here about a bodybuilder who started a UG lab there about 15+ years back, called Stallion labs or something Lol. The feds came after him regardless. The Mexican vet market was shut down in like 2006 in operation gear grinder of whatever it was called.

So, any problems with the products really had to do with them being semi-underground black market labs. No one really ever had problems with the "real" vet drugs like the 50mg Equipoise. You make it 300mg instead with too many solvents and there may be the occasional problem, they were reportedly often painful etc. They simply were too amateurish. They didn't brew them expertly like real vet drugs.

You simply do not understand the steroid world. Nothing wrong with that, it's obvious you aren't involved in it yourself so why would you know.

"Read this now, believe me later: Sustanon 250 is NO BETTER than any other kind of testosterone, and it’s much more expensive. Two pre-loads (or ampoules) cost between $30 and $40 on the US black market. An equivalent amount of veterinary grade testosterone costs less than $10. Foreign veterinary drugs are the best buys. Don’t be surprised if the label has a picture of farm animals on it, or some unintelligible Spanish words. These drugs are JUST AS CLEAN AND POTENT as their American counterparts. But, hey, it’s your cash"

- from a Dan Duchaine article. Dan knew the steroid world inside and out.






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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2021, 02:49:43 PM »
The Feds did kidnap/abduct/detain folks at random during at least one demonstration. Do you have valid information that says otherwise?


Federal Officers Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab People In Portland, DHS Confirms

NPR - OPB July 2020

Federal law enforcement officers have been using unmarked vehicles to drive around downtown Portland and detain protesters since at least Tuesday. Personal accounts and multiple videos posted online show the officers driving up to people, detaining individuals with no explanation about why they are being arrested, and driving off.


https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-use-unmarked-vehicles-to-grab-protesters-in-portland
Where are these people that were taken? What happened to them?
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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2021, 02:59:53 PM »


Oh no, Swedish gossiping grandma is back  ::).

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« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2021, 03:11:36 PM »

Oh no, Swedish gossiping grandma is back  ::).

LoL. If you have a problem with what I posted let's hear it.  ::) :D

Real vet drugs are clean and not dangerous for human consumption. Provided the drug has a human use indication. They don't become dangerous if they have a packaging that says "veterinary" on it. Please prove otherwise. Many human pharm companies have veterinary divisions - do you think they have any reason to make the vet drugs dirty? Do you think someone who owns a million dollar racehorse gives it dirty drugs? The only difference is that the vet drug may be in paste form so the fucking horse can't spit it out  :D

Do you think fucking Pfizer makes dirty Equipoise?


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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2021, 03:33:51 PM »
Naive old grandma, race horses get more tested than any bodybears !.

It's a billion $$$ industry in Australia !.

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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2021, 03:39:13 PM »
Naive old grandma, race horses get more tested than any bodybears !.

It's a billion $$$ industry in Australia !.

What the fuck are you even saying? I have no idea.

You are so fucking stupid you don't even know the legality of steroids in Thailand, a place you claim to visit.  :D


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Re: CDC endorses use for Ivermectin....for Afghan refugees
« Reply #48 on: September 06, 2021, 09:03:26 PM »
The warning is just some bureucratic thing. So people are discouraged from buying cheaper vet drugs.

The Mexicans made "vet steroids" expressly for the US black market. There is very little market for anabolics in Mexico. Real vet anabolics used for actual animals might be some 50mg/ml boldenone and some Winstrol or whatever. But then you suddenly had 200-300mg/ml boldenone (Equipoise) and every single anabolic that had buyers among bodybuilders. They were never used on any animals, that's for sure. There were some US nationals starting UG labs down there, called them vet steroids because they thought this would somehow add a layer of protection from US prosecution. Duchaine I think had some lab there. Recently a video was posted here about a bodybuilder who started a UG lab there about 15+ years back, called Stallion labs or something Lol. The feds came after him regardless. The Mexican vet market was shut down in like 2006 in operation gear grinder of whatever it was called.

So, any problems with the products really had to do with them being semi-underground black market labs. No one really ever had problems with the "real" vet drugs like the 50mg Equipoise. You make it 300mg instead with too many solvents and there may be the occasional problem, they were reportedly often painful etc. They simply were too amateurish. They didn't brew them expertly like real vet drugs.

You simply do not understand the steroid world. Nothing wrong with that, it's obvious you aren't involved in it yourself so why would you know.

"Read this now, believe me later: Sustanon 250 is NO BETTER than any other kind of testosterone, and it’s much more expensive. Two pre-loads (or ampoules) cost between $30 and $40 on the US black market. An equivalent amount of veterinary grade testosterone costs less than $10. Foreign veterinary drugs are the best buys. Don’t be surprised if the label has a picture of farm animals on it, or some unintelligible Spanish words. These drugs are JUST AS CLEAN AND POTENT as their American counterparts. But, hey, it’s your cash"

- from a Dan Duchaine article. Dan knew the steroid world inside and out.




I understand not to take veterinarian steroids, meant for animals, ESPECIALLY off the recommendation of a "Steroid Guru" whose physique looked like utter garbage. If there's one guy who dispels the "all drugs" mantra, often spewed on GetBig, it was Dan Duchaine.

Of course, there are going to be red flags if you manufacture steroids in doses FOUR to SIX times as strong as what you've give to a horse or cow and give it to people. That's a dead giveaway that such isn't being used for medicinal purposes, in humans or animals (similar to the late Chris Benoit getting TEN TIMES the amount of steroids needed for his special-needs son).

As far as Mexico goes, other so-called steroid gurus have warned that anabolics in Mexico aren't exactly made in the most sterile of environments and often contain about 70% of the advertised amount of the drug.

You are also reinforcing my point. The reason Ivermectin is getting a needless bad rap is because leftist pundits and media types keep pushing the narrative that people are taking the veterinarian grade version of the drug, instead of the one for humans that has been used for decades safely.

If someone said there's no difference between the animal and human version of a drug, he'd be bashed and laughed to scorn.