I bet half of you didn't even lift today

[bhank]

BigRo might have me beat on legs, it looks like I’m taller than he is.

My arms are bigger and more defined than your pitiful legs. You look like shit and what makes it more pathetic is the amount of drugs you took to look like shit.

Face it wifebeater, I’ve been bigger than you since I was 16-17 years old.

I have seen no evidence you train at all and don’t believe you do i also bet I have you beat on arms but again you are too much of a pussy to post a pic. i am not taking any drugs lol keep worrying about what you think I am doing instead of taking responsibility for what you are doing and your training and results loser. we both know damn well I am in better shape than you

[robcguns]

Took a couple days off as work has been busy. Training right now, so far

5 sets pull ups 15-8 superset with 5 sets rope pushdowns
5 sets chin ups 10-6 superset with 5 sets of overhead extensions
10 sets of dips 40-10 superset with 10 sets of hammer curls

About to do 5 sets ab coaster with 5 sets wrist curls
5 sets of leg raises with 5 sets reverse wrist curls
Ab wheel one set and wrist roller one set all out on both.

[webstar]

I have seen no evidence you train at all and don’t believe you do i also bet I have you beat on arms but again you are too much of a pussy to post a pic. i am not taking any drugs lol keep worrying about what you think I am doing instead of taking responsibility for what you are doing and your training and results loser. we both know damn well I am in better shape than you

So now you are lying about taking 500 mg of testosterone a week? First it was your natural then it was you are on  500 mg a week now it’s nothing. Which one is it?

[bhank]

So now you are lying about taking 500 mg of testosterone a week? First it was your natural then it was you are on  500 mg a week now it’s nothing. Which one is it?

I never claimed natural I have stated I was on TRT from day 1. TRT is not drugs. Additionally I have not taken my TRT since 2 weeks prior to the 23rd so it has been almost a month. I said I dropped it to lean out for the show. I also stated I have been on a 2 week break since the 23rd not lifting. I do not take my prescribed medication when I am not working out. I will start back up again now that I am training again. I told you exactly what I did and didn't do and you still can't get it. Here is an idea Why don't you worry about yourself since you are incapable of understanding what anyone else says.

[BB]

I never claimed natural I have stated I was on TRT from day 1. TRT is not drugs.

If I was prescribed #1000 mgs for TRT, would you consider it legitimate? What about #2000 or #3000?
 

[webstar]

I never claimed natural I have stated I was on TRT from day 1. TRT is not drugs. Additionally I have not taken my TRT since 2 weeks prior to the 23rd so it has been almost a month. I said I dropped it to lean out for the show. I also stated I have been on a 2 week break since the 23rd not lifting. I do not take my prescribed medication when I am not working out. I will start back up again now that I am training again. I told you exactly what I did and didn't do and you still can't get it. Here is an idea Why don't you worry about yourself since you are incapable of understanding what anyone else says.

How often do you get blood work done? How often does your doctor test your free testosterone?

[webstar]

I never claimed natural I have stated I was on TRT from day 1. TRT is not drugs. Additionally I have not taken my TRT since 2 weeks prior to the 23rd so it has been almost a month. I said I dropped it to lean out for the show. I also stated I have been on a 2 week break since the 23rd not lifting. I do not take my prescribed medication when I am not working out. I will start back up again now that I am training again. I told you exactly what I did and didn't do and you still can't get it. Here is an idea Why don't you worry about yourself since you are incapable of understanding what anyone else says.

If I am taking a cycle of 1000 mg of testosterone a week. Is that considered TRT In your world?

[bhank]

If I was prescribed #1000 mgs for TRT, would you consider it legitimate? What about #2000 or #3000?

Absolutely but I don't give a fuck what your Dr prescribes you or what you take everyone here needs to worry more about themselves and their training and their results. When you start theorizing about what other people are taking to explain why they are in better shape than you it really is just you making an excuse for yourself. When taking medication you take an effective dosage period end of story.

Nowhere under the definition of TRT does it say anything about dosage. Every person has a different metabolism and conversion rate for hormones. What is an effective dosage for one person may or may not be for another. You need to work with your Dr to figure it out.

https://www.medicinenet.com/testosterone_replacement_therapy/definition.htm
https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/testosterone+replacement+therapy
https://www.webmd.com/men/replacement-therapy
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/sexual-health/in-depth/testosterone-therapy/art-20045728
https://www.fda.gov/media/123591/download

[IroNat]

I never claimed natural I have stated I was on TRT from day 1. TRT is not drugs. Additionally I have not taken my TRT since 2 weeks prior to the 23rd so it has been almost a month. I said I dropped it to lean out for the show. I also stated I have been on a 2 week break since the 23rd not lifting. I do not take my prescribed medication when I am not working out. I will start back up again now that I am training again. I told you exactly what I did and didn't do and you still can't get it. Here is an idea Why don't you worry about yourself since you are incapable of understanding what anyone else says.

[joswift]

I never claimed natural I have stated I was on TRT from day 1. TRT is not drugs. Additionally I have not taken my TRT since 2 weeks prior to the 23rd so it has been almost a month. I said I dropped it to lean out for the show. I also stated I have been on a 2 week break since the 23rd not lifting. I do not take my prescribed medication when I am not working out. I will start back up again now that I am training again. I told you exactly what I did and didn't do and you still can't get it. Here is an idea Why don't you worry about yourself since you are incapable of understanding what anyone else says.

then you are taking it illegally

Its meant to be test replacement for low test levels not an enhancement drug for a bodybuilder

If your doctor knew you were doing this they would not prescribe it for you as its clear you dont really need it

[Grape Ape]

Nowhere under the definition of TRT does it say anything about dosage.

No, but it's common in the context of the fitness world that TRT generally means low dose, and half a gram is a full blown cycle.

[bhank]

then you are taking it illegally

Its meant to be test replacement for low test levels not an enhancement drug for a bodybuilder

If your doctor knew you were doing this they would not prescribe it for you as its clear you dont really need it

I also have 3 different medications for crohns doctor says I am supposed to take them everyday. Am I taking them illegally because I only take them when I get a flare up? Would they pull my prescription if they found out I missed a day and took 2 the next hell no Fucking nonsense

[bhank]

No, but it's common in the context of the fitness world that TRT generally means low dose, and half a gram is a full blown cycle.

That is your opinion but the facts are TRT has no dosage definition. It's just like taking aspirin or any other medication at no point does taking aspirin become something other than taking aspirin. What is a low dosage is a subjective opinion nothing more and TRT is also not defined as low dosage again medically defined TRT gives no reference or parameters on dosage. You guys talk opinions I speak in facts

[joswift]

I also have 3 different medications for crohns doctor says I am supposed to take them everyday. Am I taking them illegally because I only take them when I get a flare up? Would they pull my prescription if they found out I missed a day and took 2 the next hell no Fucking nonsense

fuck me you are dim

Does your doctor know you only take test when you train?

If fact dont answer that because the whole conversation is fucking pointless.
You do not get 500mgs prescribed test a week as TRT

Case closed end of discussion....

[webstar]

That is your opinion but the facts are TRT has no dosage definition. It's just like taking aspirin or any other medication at no point does taking aspirin become something other than taking aspirin. What is a low dosage is a subjective opinion nothing more and TRT is also not defined as low dosage again medically defined TRT gives no reference or parameters on dosage. You guys talk opinions I speak in facts

I agree that it does not have a dosage definition.

However, no one on this planet except you has been given TRT of 500 mg for a year.

That is not TRT anymore thats a full blown anabolic cycle.

[IroNat]

That is your opinion but the facts are TRT has no dosage definition. It's just like taking aspirin or any other medication at no point does taking aspirin become something other than taking aspirin. What is a low dosage is a subjective opinion nothing more and TRT is also not defined as low dosage again medically defined TRT gives no reference or parameters on dosage. You guys talk opinions I speak in facts

[Grape Ape]

That is your opinion but the facts are TRT has no dosage definition. It's just like taking aspirin or any other medication at no point does taking aspirin become something other than taking aspirin. What is a low dosage is a subjective opinion nothing more and TRT is also not defined as low dosage again medically defined TRT gives no reference or parameters on dosage. You guys talk opinions I speak in facts

It's not my opinion, it the reality of the industry.  Ask anyone the difference between TRT and using steroids, and almost all who even know what TRT is will tell you low dose v higher dose.

Whether that fits the defined criteria or not is irrelevant.

And you know it's disingenuous the way you portrayed your usage.

And for the record, I don't care.  I actually thought you had a great build for only being on (assumed) low dose.  Now that you're on a 1/2 gram + other shit, you're just like any other steroid user.

To each his own.

[Gym-Rat]

Deadlift (4 sets)

225 x 8
315 x 5
405 x 3
425 x 3

Chest Support Row (4 sets)

3 Plates - 4 x 10

Hammer High Row (4 sets)

3 Plates a side - 4 x 10

Lat Pulls (4 sets)

Light weight baby - 4 x 12

Hypers (4 sets)

bodyweight - 4 sets

D-Bell Bench (4 sets)

80's - 4 x 10

Cardio

Sink the Bismark - 30 mins 

Walk - 30 mins

[Grape Ape]

Deadlift (4 sets)

225 x 8
315 x 5
405 x 3
425 x 3

Chest Support Row (4 sets)

3 Plates - 4 x 10

Hammer High Row (4 sets)

3 Plates a side - 4 x 10

Lat Pulls (4 sets)

Light weight baby - 4 x 12

Hypers (4 sets)

bodyweight - 4 sets

D-Bell Bench (4 sets)

80's - 4 x 10

Cardio

Sink the Bismark - 30 mins 

Walk - 30 mins

robcguns did the same workout except all the exercises were curls and the walk was for 4 days.

[Walter Sobchak]

I have seen no evidence you train at all and don’t believe you do i also bet I have you beat on arms but again you are too much of a pussy to post a pic. i am not taking any drugs lol keep worrying about what you think I am doing instead of taking responsibility for what you are doing and your training and results loser. we both know damn well I am in better shape than you

I’ve been around the iron game a pretty long time. These are facts about you and your distorted ego, balding head, drug addiction, and scrawny homeless man physique:

You are a drug user.

You are a liar.

You are nothing special.

I warm up with the heaviest weights you can lift.

[GymnJuice]

That is your opinion but the facts are TRT has no dosage definition. It's just like taking aspirin or any other medication at no point does taking aspirin become something other than taking aspirin. What is a low dosage is a subjective opinion nothing more and TRT is also not defined as low dosage again medically defined TRT gives no reference or parameters on dosage. You guys talk opinions I speak in facts

Drugs absolutely have specific doses for specific reasons including aspirin.

[joswift]

That is your opinion but the facts are TRT has no dosage definition. It's just like taking aspirin or any other medication at no point does taking aspirin become something other than taking aspirin. What is a low dosage is a subjective opinion nothing more and TRT is also not defined as low dosage again medically defined TRT gives no reference or parameters on dosage. You guys talk opinions I speak in facts

take 500 Paracetamol and get back to us in a week...

[bhank]

It's not my opinion, it the reality of the industry.  Ask anyone the difference between TRT and using steroids, and almost all who even know what TRT is will tell you low dose v higher dose.

Whether that fits the defined criteria or not is irrelevant.

And you know it's disingenuous the way you portrayed your usage.

And for the record, I don't care.  I actually thought you had a great build for only being on (assumed) low dose.  Now that you're on a 1/2 gram + other shit, you're just like any other steroid user.

To each his own.

How can you talk reality of the industry when you do t even know the definition of a steroid. At no dosage is testosterone a steroid it is the parent bioidentical hormone. Anabolic Steroids by defintion are synthetic derivatives of Testosterone.

[Grape Ape]

How can you talk reality of the industry when you do t even know the definition of a steroid. At no dosage is testosterone a steroid it is the parent bioidentical hormone. Anabolic Steroids by defintion are synthetic derivatives of Testosterone.

I don't need to know the definition of anything.  All I need to know is what the perception is of something I've seen mentioned 1000x over.  There is nobody who calls 500mg "TRT", regardless of whether it's right or wrong.

And you know that.

[bhank]

I don't need to know the definition of anything.  All I need to know is what the perception is of something I've seen mentioned 1000x over.  There is nobody who calls 500mg "TRT", regardless of whether it's right or wrong.

And you know that.

My doctor and I do and again I don't really care what you call it. I told everyone exactly how and what I did in every aspect and have just been called a liar. 500mg is 500mg no matter what you call it. No SEO is no SEO. I ate what I said I ate. I lifted what I said I lifted and I took what I said I took. I know how tall I am and I know how much I weigh facts don't require your belief. And I don't give a fuck what anyone says I was in mad fucking shredded shape I absolutely made leg gains since last year and was leaner and tighter than I have ever been in my legs at 44 so you can all kiss my ass. I don't need to justify a damn thing I don't need anyones approval my pics speak for themselves go ahead and lie and tell me I look like shit I am also 213lbs right now. I am putting all you hateful old men to shame and you all know it