Ramy update, 8 weeks out @ 322 lbs

[MCWAY]

Yup, no point arguing with him.

Ignorance is bliss.

Look who's talking about ignorance: Somebody who acting surprised that a RETIRED bodybuilder who's not eating, training, or taking anabolics (and said he wouldn't be doing so, once he called it a career) is SMALLER than he was in his heyday.

[ThisisOverload]

Look who's talking about ignorance: Somebody who acting surprised that a RETIRED bodybuilder who's not eating, training, or taking anabolics (and said he wouldn't be doing so, once he called it a career) is SMALLER than he was in his heyday.

I'm not surprised.

He's still on AAS. Just not as much.

You have no idea what he does.

Cutler is retired too.

I've lived the dream bro.

[Van_Bilderass]

It's their peers who validate their claims. Of course, they're all part of some cabal to try and fool people, except for all the "in the know" folks on GetBig.

They haven't validated shit. You have NO idea what is said privately. They gave these quotes for the mags as a JOKE, I guarantee they were laughing at the absurd things they said.

If I showed pics of O'Hearn to top amateurs and pros and asked if he could be natural they would say "wtf don't tell me you are so naive!" And I've done so.

You have not been in the lifestyle yourself so you just don't know how the conversations go. You don't think O'Hearns juicing specifics hasn't leaked in say Gold's Venice? They all know his use has spanned decades consistently.

[bhank]

Responds to training?your not going to break new ground on training esp after hrs of training under your belt already,I know your food theories already ,let’s be serious jumping weight classes or keeping muscle under certain conditions whether maintaining or cutting requires drugs or more drugs or somewhere in between.you skip over that one every time.

I wasn't training hamstrings like this before I should be making newbie leg gains which could mean real bodyweight gains. I was 226lbs before bed last night. If I am 220lbs a week out I could do the classic at 212lbs but if I am 230lbs a week out I may do the Open at  220-225lbs. I can't cut to light heavy again. Obviously you need to be giving your body proper support. The last week or so as I start to clean up my diet I will make the division call based on my weight. I am not sure if I will be a classic or open heavyweight it could go either way but light heavy was a bad call last time I got sick cutting weight not doing that again. I should probably do the classic but I was 222lbs this am so it could go either way.

[falco]

There is something about your look that resembles Mike O'Hearn.

[bhank]

There is something about your look that resembles Mike O'Hearn.

That is fine Mike O'hearn is in great shape total weirdo but in great shape

[Body-Buildah]

I like that stone-work/patio BHank.
And a great ocean-view.

[MAXX]

Define young. Jackson won the Olympia in his late 30s and retired at 51, still placing in the top 10. Rhoden, I believe, hold the record for the oldest man to win his first Olympia at 43 (a few months older than Chris Dickerson was in 1982).

Sure,alot of bbers that still can grow in their 40's.

Im talking more in a perspective of life or death. Juicing Hard at 50+ is a good way to die from a heart attack. That should mean more to anyone.

At the dosages some(most) pros are talking they even die in their 20s and 30s now (Dallas and Luke)

[joswift]

There is something about your look that resembles Mike O'Hearn.

Fucks sake his face is nearly as big as his waist...

[FitnessFrenzy]

[wes]

Fucks sake his face is nearly as big as his waist...

Ahh shit !!   LOL  'D

[bhank]

Sure,alot of bbers that still can grow in their 40's.

Im talking more in a perspective of life or death. Juicing Hard at 50+ is a good way to die from a heart attack. That should mean more to anyone.

At the dosages some(most) pros are talking they even die in their 20s and 30s now (Dallas and Luke)

My blood pressure and cholesterol are great also not pushing anything like a 250lb pro and not 50

[webstar]

My blood pressure and cholesterol are great also not pushing anything like a 250lb pro and not 50

so just pushing drugs like a 250lb amtuer gotcha.

Shaped like a fridge

[bhank]

so just pushing drugs like a 250lb amtuer gotcha.

Shaped like a fridge

Everything I do makes me healthier. I am not pushing drugs. I am working out exercising eating right and monitoring my blood work. Bodybuilding is not a crime

[webstar]

Everything I do makes me healthier. I am not pushing drugs. I am working out exercising eating right and monitoring my blood work. Bodybuilding is not a crime

weren't you shitting blood last week?

[GymnJuice]

Everything I do makes me healthier. I am not pushing drugs. I am working out exercising eating right and monitoring my blood work. Bodybuilding is not a crime

You said you wouldn't go to a doc for TRT because they wanted to do bloodwork?

[Humble Narcissist]

weren't you shitting blood last week?

  It's all part of the healthy bodybuilding lifestyle.

[MCWAY]

I'm not surprised.

He's still on AAS. Just not as much.

What part of "he's doing FAR LESS of everything" didn't you understand? He's also not eating as much or training as hard.

You have no idea what he does.

Cutler is retired too.

I've lived the dream bro.

So, you have a Sandow on your mantle? Didn't think so.

[ThisisOverload]

What part of "he's doing FAR LESS of everything" didn't you understand? He's also not eating as much or training as hard.

So, you have a Sandow on your mantle? Didn't think so.

No need to yell bro.

Believe what you wish.

I lived it.

[MCWAY]

They haven't validated shit. You have NO idea what is said privately. They gave these quotes for the mags as a JOKE, I guarantee they were laughing at the absurd things they said.

If I showed pics of O'Hearn to top amateurs and pros and asked if he could be natural they would say "wtf don't tell me you are so naive!" And I've done so.

You have not been in the lifestyle yourself so you just don't know how the conversations go. You don't think O'Hearns juicing specifics hasn't leaked in say Gold's Venice? They all know his use has spanned decades consistently.

And yet in this internet era (about which you claim I'm ignorant because I'm stuck on magazines from the 90s/2000s), where people LOVE to tear others down for whatever reason, somehow....someway, the secret society of bodybuilders have vowed to sacrifice their firstborn children before "outing" their iron brethren who claim to be natural.

I didn't bring up Ashley or O'Hearn; you and Bevo did. And you're fuming over the fact that I mentioned NO ONE should be surprised that a RETIRED Dexter Jackson is smaller.

WHY? Because he is doing less of EVERYTHING: Training, eating, and the use of anabolics.

No need to yell bro.

Believe what you wish.

I lived it.

So, despite your continued training hard and eating thousands of calories, you've reverted to being a twig, simply because you aren't taking steroids anymore (as you would have everyone believe to be the case with Jackson)?

[ThisisOverload]

So, despite your continued training hard and eating thousands of calories, you've reverted to being a twig, simply because you aren't taking steroids anymore (as you would have everyone believe to be the case with Jackson)?

I still use AAS, just much less.

Same with Dexter, Jay, Ronnie, etc.

You back in down a bit for your health.

Dex was massive not long ago. He backed off the AAS to stay healthy and that's why he looks so smooth and flat.

[Bevo]

I still use AAS, just much less.

Same with Dexter, Jay, Ronnie, etc.

You back in down a bit for your health.

Dex was massive not long ago. He backed off the AAS to stay healthy and that's why he looks so smooth and flat.

The whole point I was making was how quickly the change was, of course if you back down on everything the changes are evident

I would reckon if Dexter slowed down on the training, and slowed down on the eating but was blasting “heavy cycles” still he would still be massive, not stage ready but he’ll retain his “3D” round look

Just goes to show top elite genes and drugs are the most important aspect

Keep in mind these guys are very little to begin with, almost all pro bbers are “small individuals” small structure. Majority aren’t even 5’10 or above, naturally they aren’t that big to begin with, a man that is 5’6 -5’9 in bbing isn’t big naturally no matter how much food they stuff and how much training they do, just ain’t happening

Genetics + Drugs are the key factors, food and training is next

Drugs let these guys go beyond their genetic potential, that’s a given. Take out the drugs and eat massive and train as hard as you can and see what happens

[Van_Bilderass]

And yet in this internet era (about which you claim I'm ignorant because I'm stuck on magazines from the 90s/2000s), where people LOVE to tear others down for whatever reason, somehow....someway, the secret society of bodybuilders have vowed to sacrifice their firstborn children before "outing" their iron brethren who claim to be natural.

I didn't bring up Ashley or O'Hearn; you and Bevo did. And you're fuming over the fact that I mentioned NO ONE should be surprised that a RETIRED Dexter Jackson is smaller.

WHY? Because he is doing less of EVERYTHING: Training, eating, and the use of anabolics.

So, despite your continued training hard and eating thousands of calories, you've reverted to being a twig, simply because you aren't taking steroids anymore (as you would have everyone believe to be the case with Jackson)?

I'm not really fuming, I don't really have anything against you. It's just that I think you aren't seeing the whole picture. I think if you communicated with bodybuilders you'd see what they really think about these silly claims.

It's also not tearing down bodybuilders for no reason. There is no longer any good reason to claim natural when you're not. It doesn't make you any more likeable, it just pisses people off. The cat has been out of the bag for awhile now, most everyone knows.

If someone got off steroids completely after a long time off they'd likely look worse that if they never took any steroids at all. The body would be in a state of shock.

I would reckon if Dexter slowed down on the training, and slowed down on the eating but was blasting “heavy cycles” still he would still be massive, not stage ready but he’ll retain his “3D” round look

If he stayed on this past year but didn't train or eat perfectly he'd mostly still look like his old self, maybe 10lbs smaller. Steroids are very effective for that. A while back I took a year off but continued with some steroids and I hardly lost anything, coworkers absolutely wouldn't believe I hadn't seen the gym for a year, some actually thought I'd gotten bigger.

[Bevo]

I'm not really fuming, I don't really have anything against you. It's just that I think you aren't seeing the whole picture. I think if you communicated with bodybuilders you'd see what they really think about these silly claims.

It's also not tearing down bodybuilders for no reason. There is no longer any good reason to claim natural when you're not. It doesn't make you any more likeable, it just pisses people off. The cat has been out of the bag for awhile now, most everyone knows.

If someone got off steroids completely after a long time off they'd likely look worse that if they never took any steroids at all. The body would be in a state of shock.

Just take a look at the pics of Mike O Hearn’s non existent balls, that tells the whole story 

[ThisisOverload]

The whole point I was making was how quickly the change was, of course if you back down on everything the changes are evident

I would reckon if Dexter slowed down on the training, and slowed down on the eating but was blasting “heavy cycles” still he would still be massive, not stage ready but he’ll retain his “3D” round look

Just goes to show top elite genes and drugs are the most important aspect

Keep in mind these guys are very little to begin with, almost all pro bbers are “small individuals” small structure. Majority aren’t even 5’10 or above, naturally they aren’t that big to begin with, a man that is 5’6 -5’9 in bbing isn’t big naturally no matter how much food they stuff and how much training they do, just ain’t happening

Genetics + Drugs are the key factors, food and training is next

Drugs let these guys go beyond their genetic potential, that’s a given. Take out the drugs and eat massive and train as hard as you can and see what happens

Good post, i agree.

The most important factor at this level are the drugs. You stop taking large amounts of AAS for 6 months and you will shrink down very quickly. If you lower your food intake and training, not so much.

If you remove the drugs and just eat tons of food and train, you will get very soft and smooth, like Dex is now.

That 3D swollen look is 100% from drugs, mainly GH and Slin.

I've posted this many times and the food>drugs crowd still refuses to believe.

12 years ago i was 260 pounds with a 32" waist. I was taking ~2000mg of combined AAS with GH and Slin. For an experiment i lowered my calories from around 5k down to 2500, cut in half. Drugs and training same/same. In 4 months the only thing that changed was that i lost 10 pounds and was leaner. I looked incredible.

Obviously food and training are very important, but the major factor here is drugs and a persons response to them.

I pretty much eat the same year round now, except for Feb-May where i cut carbs and lean out a bit. After my last big cycle i dropped down to 200mg of Test every 7 days. I lost almost 20 pounds in 2 months and looked soft as shit. That's how it all works.

These guys read mags and online nonsense for guys who have a lot to lose by telling the truth. They are selling a lie. Selling garbage supplements to make a living, i understand why they lie so much.

I've lived this shit, trained with world class bodybuilders and power lifters for over 15 years. Seen what these guys take and what it takes to be at the top of the game. Food is very important, but at the end of the day Pro BBing as ALL about drugs; bulking, cutting, diuretics, etc. It's not possible without these things.