"Things need to change"

[BBSSchlemiel]

I'm sure you've heard this line before, said after a bodybuilder dies. The notion is that the judges should lower their standards for freakishness in leanness and size, so that stupid bodybuilders do not take so much drugs that eventually kill them, either by slow death with huge doses of steroids for decades or diuretics before a show.

So they want to make it out like all these dudes are innocent pawns in an oppressive system, when at the end of the day, the deceased are responsible for their own deaths.

The same premise applies to the doctor-of-death gurus. Reasonably speaking the gurus are to blame to an extent because fools put trust in and look up to them, and thereby they use this position to recommend utterly stupid and deadly practices. But, in the end, it was grown adults who chose to throw caution to the wind and ignore signs that they were headed to death.

Granted normal people don't want to see people who they admire, relatives, and friends die, but the notion that "things should change" never falls on the people who made their own decisions.

They easily could have avoided death and health problems had they simply not taken PED's at all.

What is your take?

[IroNat]

What you say has merit.

The same logic would also apply to drug dealers/pushers of course, that the responsibility lies with the user not the seller.

Also prostitutes...arresting the Johns not the hookers.

Lock up all the addicts and buyers.  Don't arrest the suppliers of illegal drugs.

Society has locked up both for many years and the jails are full of addicts and small time users.

The results of the Drug War have been unsuccessful.

Now, the pendulum is swinging the other way and small time users of minor drugs (marijuana) are being freed.

Might as well let people kill themselves as long as they don't hurt others. 

But do drug pushers, drug users, prostitutes, and Johns hurt others? 

What seems to hurt society the most is the crime associated these activities because they are classified as illegal. 

Addicts robbing to get money for a fix, violence and turf wars for control of the drug market, white slavery for the sex industry, etc.

In some countries the sex industry is legal and restricted to "red light districts".  You want it, go there, but no hookers on neighborhood streets.

Perhaps drug sales could be legal but also restricted to drug districts.  However, no drug pushing on neighborhood streets.

[The Scott]

I'm sure you've heard this line before, said after a bodybuilder dies. The notion is that the judges should lower their standards for freakishness in leanness and size, so that stupid bodybuilders do not take so much drugs that eventually kill them, either by slow death with huge doses of steroids for decades or diuretics before a show.

So they want to make it out like all these dudes are innocent pawns in an oppressive system, when at the end of the day, the deceased are responsible for their own deaths.

The same premise applies to the doctor-of-death gurus. Reasonably speaking the gurus are to blame to an extent because fools put trust in and look up to them, and thereby they use this position to recommend utterly stupid and deadly practices. But, in the end, it was grown adults who chose to throw caution to the wind and ignore signs that they were headed to death.

Granted normal people don't want to see people who they admire, relatives, and friends die, but the notion that "things should change" never falls on the people who made their own decisions.

They easily could have avoided death and health problems had they simply not taken PED's at all.

What is your take?

Steve Martin said it best decades ago.  "Death penalty for parking tickets".

But to be serious, my parents said when the "war on drugs" campaign started, "It's one thing to declare war and another to wage war".

Blow the shit out of the cartels.  Shoot the pushers.  Burn the meth labs to the ground with the "cooks" inside.  No mercy.  No pity.   Lock up the addicts until they are either clean or drop dead from withdrawing.  My youngest brother was locked up until he was clean.
 
I have zero pity for these stoopid drug addict people, be they on heroin or steroids.  Fuck 'em to Hades. And any that feeeeeeeeeeel we should let roaches and spiders live among us?  Throw 'em in with the addicts and let them see what angry zombies their pets really are. 

Wage war, not just "declare it".  Fuck the cucks.

[IroNat]

Steve Martin said it best decades ago.  "Death penalty for parking tickets".

But to be serious, my parents said when the "war on drugs" campaign started, "It's one thing to declare war and another to wage war".

Blow the shit out of the cartels.  Shoot the pushers.  Burn the meth labs to the ground with the "cooks" inside.  No mercy.  No pity.   Lock up the addicts until they are either clean or drop dead from withdrawing.  My youngest brother was locked up until he was clean.
 
I have zero pity for these stoopid drug addict people, be they on heroin or steroids.  Fuck 'em to Hades. And any that feeeeeeeeeeel we should let roaches and spiders live among us?  Throw 'em in with the addicts and let them see what angry zombies their pets really are. 

Wage war, not just "declare it".  Fuck the cucks.

You got it. 

If you go to war let it be Total War. 

Everybody dies.  Kill 'em all and let God sort them out.

Not this half assed way it has been done.

If you can't do that it won't work.  But it will not be done.

[Van_Bilderass]

Waging some kind of Total War on "addicts" or dug users is a completely ridiculous idea and would never work in practise. It would be one type of addict killing another, some could not protect themselves and others would be priviliged and not touched by the policies.

Would you kill Ronnie Coleman? Yes he would have an excuse bur everyone has an excuse. Would you kill Dorian Yates? Would you kill Joe Rogan.

By locking ALL up addicts you would be locking up half of all world leaders, presidents. You would be locking up titans of industry. You would be locking up all artists and creatives.

A large percent of complete teetotalers are fucking horrible people. Humorless, unimaginative, total bores.

Duterte is doing a type of cleansing. But notice what he is doing, he is killing the people who are poor and useless, not drug users per se, as we all know drugs are in every strata of society. So yeah, if that's what you envision, locking up and killing the poor down and out zombies, ok. But it would not be a war on drugs per se. You would be killing the nig dope dealers but you wouldn't touch the jew oxy peddlers, those are too powerful.

[Thin Lizzy]

It’s the idiotic drug war which created the cartels in the first place.

What the fuck do you give a shit if somebody else does drugs. How does it affect you?

[BBSSchlemiel]

Waging some kind of Total War on "addicts" or dug users is a completely ridiculous idea and would never work in practise. It would be one type of addict killing another, some could not protect themselves and others would be priviliged and not touched by the policies.

Would you kill Ronnie Coleman? Yes he would have an excuse bur everyone has an excuse. Would you kill Dorian Yates? Would you kill Joe Rogan.

By locking ALL up addicts you would be locking up half of all world leaders, presidents. You would be locking up titans of industry. You would be locking up all artists and creatives.

A large percent of complete teetotalers are fucking horrible people. Humorless, unimaginative, total bores.

Duterte is doing a type of cleansing. But notice what he is doing, he is killing the people who are poor and useless, not drug users per se, as we all know drugs are in every strata of society. So yeah, if that's what you envision, locking up and killing the poor down and out zombies, ok. But it would not be a war on drugs per se. You would be killing the nig dope dealers but you wouldn't touch the jew oxy peddlers, those are too powerful.

I would not want Joe Rogan dead but some other form of punishment is warranted, not for his silly drug use, but because he publicly said he is looking forward to white genocide.

[Van_Bilderass]

I would not want Joe Rogan dead but some other form of punishment is warranted, not for his silly drug use, but because he publicly said he is looking forward to white genocide.

He said that? I don't follow him but most everyone is on the side of white genocide nowadays. Someone highlights the population replacement and they are on thin ice, like Tucker Carlson. We'll see how long he lasts. 

[The Scott]

You got it. 

If you go to war let it be Total War. 

Everybody dies.  Kill 'em all and let God sort them out.

Not this half assed way it has been done.

If you can't do that it won't work.  But it will not be done.

Amen.


I've got relatives that say if you kill the people in the Cartels, the pushers, the growers, the addicts, more will just take their place.  I told them, keep killing them until they either smarten up or run out of "replacements". 

[The Scott]

It’s the idiotic drug war which created the cartels in the first place.

What the fuck do you give a shit if somebody else does drugs. How does it affect you?

I watched as my youngest brother started with marijuana and continually moved to other drugs for his "high".  I've seen "Faces of Meth" sitting across from me at Thanksgiving more than enough times.  When he threatened our mother I had him arrested, placed in jail and ultimately put in a mental hospital to get cleaned up.  That's but one reason I laugh at lads like bhanky and his "...say that to my face and I'll kick your ass" shit. 

First off, I don't own a donkey.  And second?  I will have him put away if he does try that.

Looking at most addicts I think a new ad campaign should be started for drug addicts.  Call it "Feces of Meth" or Heroin or whatever their choice (and it is a choice) of drug. 

Steroids would feature dead bodybuilders with purple faces.  FTN.

[Thin Lizzy]

What exactly has the drug war accomplished? Drug use is as high as it ever has been and we have a gigantic black market which has been dominated by organized crime and has destroyed neighborhoods cities and entire countries.

I don’t condone drug use. Quite the opposite. But the policy has been a failure. It’s OK to admit it.

[The Scott]

What exactly has the drug war accomplished? Drug use is as high as it ever has been and we have a gigantic black market which has been dominated by organized crime and has destroyed neighborhoods cities and entire countries.

I don’t condone drug use. Quite the opposite. But the policy has been a failure. It’s OK to admit it.

Exactly.  Because it was NEVER a WAR!    Don't declare...Wage.  I guaranty that if we tell mexico and other cuntries to fuck off and take their money from wherever their "accounts" are, start shelling the cartels, napalming the fields and shooting pushers et al, then the war won't have to last long.  We kill them all and don't give an airborne intercourse about sorting shit out. If someone takes their place, kill them all.  Ad infinitum.

[Van_Bilderass]

I watched as my youngest brother started with marijuana and continually moved to other drugs for his "high".

I think I've seen them quote figures such as 10% of cannabis users becoming long term, "addict" type users of that particular drug. Let alone move to "harder," physically addicting drugs. Cannabis is also not an "escape" type of drug in a lot of cases, it's the opposite. It can force a confrontation with your problems and many don't like that. If you are looking to "switch off" your emotions the likelihood of moving on to other drugs is greater.

[The Scott]

I think I've seen them quote figures such as 10% of cannabis users becoming long term, "addict" type users of that particular drug. Let alone move to "harder," physically addicting drugs. Cannabis is also not an "escape" type of drug in a lot of cases, it's the opposite. It can force a confrontation with your problems and many don't like that. If you are looking to "switch off" your emotions the likelihood of moving on to other drugs is greater.

I lived it with my brother.  He did it.  I put him away.  He ultimately took his own life.  Other than vodka and orange juice,  he was clean.  He just could not live with reality. 

[Van_Bilderass]

I lived it with my brother.  He did it.  I put him away.  He ultimately took his own life.  Other than vodka and orange juice,  he was clean.  He just could not live with reality.

It is sad. Before he started using drugs, had he been the type who didn't feel comfortable in this world?

Seems like many former drug users do not give up the alcohol. When illicit drugs cause too many problems alcohol becomes an acceptable anxiety reducing substance. Like a benzo in many ways but legal and easily available.

[Thin Lizzy]

Exactly.  Because it was NEVER a WAR!    Don't declare...Wage.  I guaranty that if we tell mexico and other cuntries to fuck off and take their money from wherever their "accounts" are, start shelling the cartels, napalming the fields and shooting pushers et al, then the war won't have to last long.  We kill them all and don't give an airborne intercourse about sorting shit out. If someone takes their place, kill them all.  Ad infinitum.

Listen. I’m sorry to hear about your brother. It’s a tragedy. But this idea that we didn’t do enough is typically the excuse given for a failed intervention. We’re hearing the same shit about Afghanistan. We were there for 20 years, accomplished nothing but had we just stayed a little longer and done more…

It is possible that it’s just a failed policy.

[The Scott]

It is sad. Before he started using drugs, had he been the type who didn't feel comfortable in this world?

Seems like many former drug users do not give up the alcohol. When illicit drugs cause too many problems alcohol becomes an acceptable anxiety reducing substance. Like a benzo in many ways but legal and easily available.

He was never a heavy drinker.  I think he got drunk that night just to be able to take his own life.  He was by far the best looking boy in our family.  Pure white hair and blue eyes.  The one side of the family thought I looked "Aryan" but he made me look gemischtes blut.  Oddly enough he was the darling of both sides of our family as he was the baby.   

He just got in with a bunch of stoners in middle school and another of my brothers told me  and I did my best to stop that association but I was much older, a lot bigger and stronger but could not be with him in or after school as I had to work.  His "friends" were scared of me but not if I wasn't around.

Meth destroyed his looks.   It broke my mother's heart and soul to lose her baby.  She still has a "shrine" to him.

[The Scott]

Listen. I’m sorry to hear about your brother. It’s a tragedy. But this idea that we didn’t do enough is typically the excuse given for a failed intervention. We’re hearing the same shit about Afghanistan. We were there for 20 years, accomplished nothing but had we just stayed a little longer and done more…

It is possible that it’s just a failed policy.

We bombed the shit out of Germany with conventional weapons.  We REALLY bombed the intestines out of Japan with nuclear weapons and they gave up and worked to be citizens of the world instead of shitizens.    Germans are now for the most part, pussies.  Japanese?  Not sure about them right now.

A real war against these drug scum would last a very short time.  We don't need to ask for a surrender.  We need to kill them all including their families because they destroy families without remorse. They don't deserve pity.  They don't deserve another chance.  They deserve death.  We then burn and break all their shit and continue until you couldn't clone one of them for lack of DNA. 

That has never been done but needs to be.

[BBSSchlemiel]

I’m mostly with Scott. I’ve told people for years, “War on drugs? We never had one!”

Instead we coddled criminals and were told we have to “understand” drug addicts and defectives. I have a recovered addict in my family who got his act together but I will still say many addicts are nasty, narcissistic, sociopathic scumbags to begin with.

However I am not for harshly punishing users, but I believe major distributors deserve public hangings. (And no, I’m not talking about steroid use or frat boys selling bags of weed.)

People talk as if draconian measures have no effect.

[Taffin]

I’m mostly with Scott. I’ve told people for years, “War on drugs? We never had one!”

Instead we coddled criminals and were told we have to “understand” drug addicts and defectives. I have a recovered addict in my family who got his act together but I will still say many addicts are nasty, narcissistic, sociopathic scumbags to begin with.

However I am not for harshly punishing users, but I believe major distributors deserve public hangings. (And no, I’m not talking about steroid use or frat boys selling bags of weed.)

People talk as if draconian measures have no effect.

I hear what you and Scott are saying, but even in countries where they do publicly hang/behead people, chop hands off and whip people, some will still always take the chance of the massive profit they can score - greed is human nature 

[BBSSchlemiel]

I hear what you and Scott are saying, but even in countries where they do publicly hang/behead people, chop hands off and whip people, some will still always take the chance of the massive profit they can score - greed is human nature 

Of course. Greed, degeneracy, and crime will exist in every society. That doesn’t mean we have to deal with scumbags with kids gloves.

[joswift]

human beings default setting is chaos

Its a miracle that we can keep it together at all

[Dave D]

I hear what you and Scott are saying, but even in countries where they do publicly hang/behead people, chop hands off and whip people, some will still always take the chance of the massive profit they can score - greed is human nature 

Taffin isn’t this true with all illegal activities? People who will kill, steal, assault,  drive drunk, even resist arrest all do so knowing that there are harsh punishments if they get caught.

Maybe we should outlaw personality types.

[Thin Lizzy]

Conservatives are just clueless on this issue. That’s why it’s been a non stop fail.

They go on and on about a limited government but they want a massive war on drugs. Who exactly is going to carry out this war? The government of course.

You see there’s a difference between somebody breaking into your house and somebody doing drugs. See if you can figure out what it is.

[bhank]

Diuretics are not PEDS legal dehydration is the culprit here but sure lets start killing in shape people because every slob hater on this board knows anyone in shape is a filthy drug addict