Sleeves vs Wraps

[bhank]

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13:10 mark they start discussing the issue in depth 15:35 Larry goes into detail

Larry wheels actually explains it pretty well. Carlos tore an Acl and therefore wears sleeves. Larry explains wraps can actually make knee issues worse as they allow you to squat 100lbs more and put too much pressure on the knee. He says the records between the two divisions are different and that the sleeve keeps joints warm and offers protection he says for health purposes the sleeve is better. I am retutnign my sleevs to Inzer today have them all boxed up to go with the return number. However I am going to train squats now despite saying I would wait on the sleeves. I am doing 2 squat workouts without them now of course without the sleeves I will be keeping it in a higher rep range. But I am a pussy for wanting to wait on my sleeves to do low reps just like the professional powerlifter and bodybuilder recommend

[joswift]

&t=1001s

13:10 mark they start discussing the issue in depth 15:35 Larry goes into detail

Larry wheels actually explains it pretty well. Carlos tore an Acl and therefore wears sleeves. Larry explains wraps can actually make knee issues worse as they allow you to squat 100lbs more and put too much pressure on the knee. He says the records between the two divisions are different and that the sleeve keeps joints warm and offers protection he says for health purposes the sleeve is better. I am retutnign my sleevs to Inzer today have them all boxed up to go with the return number. However I am going to train squats now despite saying I would wait on the sleeves. I am doing 2 squat workouts without them now of course without the sleeves I will be keeping it in a higher rep range. But I am a pussy for wanting to wait on my sleeves to do low reps just like the professional powerlifter and bodybuilder recommend

fixed

[GymnJuice]

What's the estimated date for the 405 squat now? 

[Grape Ape]

What's the estimated date for the 405 squat now?

Aug 6th

[Griffith]

Lee Haney recommends using knee sleeves with open patella, so there is no pressure pushing down on the kneecap.

That is what I use.

Which I had used knee sleeves from the beginning.

[webstar]

&t=1001s

13:10 mark they start discussing the issue in depth 15:35 Larry goes into detail

Larry wheels actually explains it pretty well. Carlos tore an Acl and therefore wears sleeves. Larry explains wraps can actually make knee issues worse as they allow you to squat 100lbs more and put too much pressure on the knee. He says the records between the two divisions are different and that the sleeve keeps joints warm and offers protection he says for health purposes the sleeve is better. I am retutnign my sleevs to Inzer today have them all boxed up to go with the return number. However I am going to train squats now despite saying I would wait on the sleeves. I am doing 2 squat workouts without them now of course without the sleeves I will be keeping it in a higher rep range. But I am a pussy for wanting to wait on my sleeves to do low reps just like the professional powerlifter and bodybuilder recommend

agreed

[SOMEPARTS]

Been using the old Tommy Kono TK sleeves for a long time.

[ThisisOverload]

So i guess this is a big NO on the 405 squat video?

Too many excuses.

I've squatted over 600 pounds.

Never used wraps or sleeves in my life.

My knees are fine.

[wes]

Aug 6th

[Hypertrophy]

So i guess this is a big NO on the 405 squat video?

Too many excuses.

I've squatted over 600 pounds.

Never used wraps or sleeves in my life.

My knees are fine.

Good god- I squatted 405 in college after just 6 months of training- and most guys can do that. Methinks brian is full of shit about everything.

[ThisisOverload]

Good god- I squatted 405 in college after just 6 months of training- and most guys can do that. Methinks brian is full of shit about everything.

He's just a narcissistic asshole.

He is completely full of shit and struggles with basic comprehension.

The fact that he believes he needs "sleeves" to squat 405 shows how far out of reality his mind wonders.

In his mind he is Bill Kazmaier preparing for the next Squat Lift event at the WSM.

Just needs the sleeves because "all powerlifters use them".

And after all, Brian is an elite level power lifter who trains his legs with body weight sissy squats.

[jpm101]

I agree pretty much with ThisisOverload.

Seen dozen of high school athlete's  squat well above the 400 mark for higher reps, back or front squat positions. All in average workouts, nothing special and no sleeves or wraps. .. Even some women lifters accomplish this also.  All without any sleeve's, wraps or whatever, even for older lifters.

Some will use ballet leg/knee warmer before squats. And a few will use a heating lotion/cream before squatting. Bring heat to the area.

There is a old  pro or con theory that wearing  sleeves or wraps will only encourage weaker knees/elbows in the long run. The number one rule is to warmup, of course. (heard stories that a few Olympic lifters of the former eastern block countries could walk into a gym and rep out 500+squats with no warmup and still in street clothes...that's the story anyway)

Good Luck..

[ThisisOverload]

There is a old  pro or con theory that wearing  sleeves or wraps will only encourage weaker knees/elbows in the long run. The number one rule is to warmup, of course. (heard stories that a few Olympic lifters of the former eastern block countries could walk into a gym and rep out 500+squats with no warmup and still in street clothes...that's the story anyway)

Good to see you around JPM.

I started training Oly lifting when i was 19, the coach told us that we shouldn't wear sleeves or wraps. He was an old school guy.

They never made sense to me, but i also have a big bone structure and haven't ever felt like my joints were a weakness.

I used to always train in sweatpants, to keep my knees/hips warm.

[DanM]

You won't find many guys in commercial gyms squatting 405 for reps to proper depth let alone in high school weight rooms

Also there's nothing wrong with knee sleeves

[Hulkotron]

Not sure what high school gyms you are going to where dozens of kids are front-squatting 400+ lbs for high reps, that’s insane strength for anyone let alone a teenager.

[Dave D]

Not sure what high school gyms you are going to where dozens of kids are front-squatting 400+ lbs for high reps, that’s insane strength for anyone let alone a teenager.

405+ front squats is a pretty standard strength metric for the freshman football team where im at. This is a one rep max for the freshmen (but it's a working set for seniors). Run of the mill strength.

[Hypertrophy]

You won't find many guys in commercial gyms squatting 405 for reps to proper depth let alone in high school weight rooms

Also there's nothing wrong with knee sleeves

Since the widespread introduction of the 45 degree leg press you don't see people squatting as much - but it used to be very common.  In my college gym I hardly ever saw anyone using sleeves for squats.

[ThisisOverload]

Not sure what high school gyms you are going to where dozens of kids are front-squatting 400+ lbs for high reps, that’s insane strength for anyone let alone a teenager.

We had kids squatting 400+ when i played football in HS. Granted i went to a well known 5A HS in Texas that was known for having big boys.

Not a bunch of them, but i remember a handful of guys doing it. Mainly the big linemen. A 250 pound 6'3" 18 year old kid squatting 400 isn't that crazy IMO. Many of these kids had been lifting for 5-6 years already.

We never did front squats in HS.

[DanM]

405+ front squats is a pretty standard strength metric for the freshman football team where im at. This is a one rep max for the freshmen (but it's a working set for seniors). Run of the mill strength.

You have quite the active imagination bro

[Van_Bilderass]

A "405" squat means nothing before you see the depth. A 2 inch difference in depth can mean 100lbs difference in load.
A claimed parallel squat is often a quarter squat.

[Van_Bilderass]

You have quite the active imagination bro

Maybe.

I'd like to see some high school athletes front squatting 405 for high reps. Perhaps someone can post a few videos.

[jpm101]

The high schools around San Diego county mostly. Public and parochial schools. Also have a link to  Riverside and San Bernardino county school training disciplines. Not saying those 400 squats are only from one special school...but than again lots of very powerful young players around. 

Most top rated football high schools have very advanced lifting programs, built on college or modified pro type training. Depends on the strength coach. A few running backs have gone into the 400 range in squats.  All without wraps or sleeves in training.

Once the correct form, flexibility  and confidence of front squatting is learned, than that weight on the bar can advance pretty quickly. 400 is not out of the question. I'm 49 now. When playing HS ball I didn't see that current improved strength level of some of the high schooler's back than. Power cleans help the front squat quite well, and football linemen get their reps in doing those. There were 400lb squatters, but not as many as today in High schools around SoCal.

Good Luck. 




 

[wes]

WRAPS

[Dave D]

Maybe.

I'd like to see some high school athletes front squatting 405 for high reps. Perhaps someone can post a few videos.

I'll visit some of the local schools in Riverside and San Bernadino county that JPM is talking about.

Im sure the schools wont have a problem with me recording these young men working out, especially when I tell them its for the SoCal based website Getbig. Then once I name drop JPM101 we will have unprecedented access to these athletes front squatting large weights!!

[SOMEPARTS]

WRAPS