Sleeves vs Wraps

[BB]

A sampling of American HS Squats to keep the conversation going -

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https://m.facebook.com/Wallacetrainingsystems/videos/jfrye_325-buries-a-405-squat-anything-north-of-400-is-a-great-squat-for-a-high-s/210323863410461/ <-------- This one is high quality.

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https://ur-pk.facebook.com/rolandrangersfootball/videos/mason-schalski-405-squat/2853924141596048/ .

https://ne-np.facebook.com/LagunaHillsFootball/videos/jr-alex-membreno-squat-maxed-405-pounds-today-hard-work-pays-off/405039123616674/

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Cleans at #350 or better -

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1413146947314012177

https://usatodayhss.com/2016/video-georgia-nose-tackle-power-cleans-400-pounds-like-its-nothing

[wes]

WRAPS ON HEAVY SETS ONLY DAMMIT !!

SLEEVES SUCK DAMMIT !!

[wes]

I agree pretty much with ThisisOverload.

Seen dozen of high school athlete's  squat well above the 400 mark for higher reps, back or front squat positions. All in average workouts, nothing special and no sleeves or wraps. .. Even some women lifters accomplish this also.  All without any sleeve's, wraps or whatever, even for older lifters.

Some will use ballet leg/knee warmer before squats. And a few will use a heating lotion/cream before squatting. Bring heat to the area.

There is a old  pro or con theory that wearing  sleeves or wraps will only encourage weaker knees/elbows in the long run. The number one rule is to warmup, of course. (heard stories that a few Olympic lifters of the former eastern block countries could walk into a gym and rep out 500+squats with no warmup and still in street clothes...that's the story anyway)

Good Luck..

Good to see you back posting my friend.

All the best !!

[Van_Bilderass]

BB comes through as always. The 13 year old is nuts, if that really is 4 plates.

This may seem like me complaining but it's as I knew it would be, most of these are 3 quarter or quarter squats. "What do you mean bro, these look good to me bro?" When someone says their squats is such and such it doesn't say anything to me before I view it. I see a true squat as breaking parallel. For me, at my strongest, those few inches would mean the difference between a 500 and 700 squat. It's the same with leg presses. Numbers mean absolutely nothing until you see the depth.

I don't think there are many high school kids front squatting 4 plates for "many reps." I trained with an IPF lifter who was on the podium at World Champs in the 200lbs weight class. His front squat PR was 400lbs. My front squat PR was 420 after a ton of juice and decades of training Lol. What I'm saying is that a 4 plate front squat is crazy strong and I don't think it's common for children.

There are many long time lifters on Getbig. How many front squat 405lbs currently, especially if they haven't done the lift for awhile?

Last pic is a true parallel squat. What we see these kids doing is the first image mostly.

[wes]

BB comes through as always. The 13 year old is nuts, if that really is 4 plates.

This may seem like me complaining but it's as I knew it would be, most of these are 3 quarter or quarter squats. What do you mean bro, these look good to me bro? When someone says their squats is such and such it doesn't say anything to me before I view it. I see a true squat as breaking parallel. For me, at my strongest, those few inches would mean the difference between a 500 and 700 squat.

I don't think there are many high school kids front squatting 4 plates for "many reps." I trained with an IPF lifter who was on the podium at World Champs in the 200lbs weight class. His front squat PR was 400lbs. My front squat PR was 420 after a ton of juice and decades of training Lol. What I'm saying is that a 4 plate front squat is crazy strong and I don't think it's common for children.

There are many long time lifters on Getbig. How many front squat 405lbs currently, especially if they haven't done the lift for awhile?

X 2 Gotta` agree with Vans common sense.

[illuminati]

405+ front squats is a pretty standard strength metric for the freshman football team where im at. This is a one rep max for the freshmen (but it's a working set for seniors). Run of the mill strength.

Vivid imagination
& Suffering from verbal Diahorrea

[Hulkotron]

Van is spot-on as usual.

Front-squatting 405+ for high reps as some common thing among high school football players is a ridiculous claim unless you are being real generous with the definitions of “squat” and “high”.  Dedicated strength-athletes train and juice for decades and most couldn’t do that.

[BB]

More -

Typical Max Test testing in American HS -

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Front Squats, Non - OL Kids, #315 or better -

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Claimed he hit #315 x 2 after this -

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https://twitter.com/coachnick_knows/status/1355484513405702144 .

https://twitter.com/Josh34Stanton/status/826642481127313410 .

https://twitter.com/ShanleyPhysEd/status/1263177139014205445 .

https://twitter.com/CoachJesseLynch/status/838779985359998977 <------ Probably the heaviest you'll see.

https://twitter.com/i/status/826642106492006401 .

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D-III College Front Squats -

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In short, unless you're looking at some 1 in a million OL or Powerlifting outlier that just happens to be in a high school gym, you're not going to see #405 front squats. Even in an Olympic Lifting gym, a #405 front squat is a rare thing from a teenage lifter. You probably won't even see a good #315 front at a HS gym 99% of the time.

If anyone has any more non-OL teenage front squats at #315 or better, post them up, because they're rare as hen's teeth.

[Dave D]

Great videos!

Earlier I said 405 front squats were coming for the freshman football team in my area, but I was wrong.

It’s actually the cheerleading team that has this requirement! These girls all tend to be ex gymnast’s so they have an incredible strength base from childhood.  It’s Impressive to see a 115 teen girl front squat 405.

[jpm101]

I've never met many strength coaches (football) who encouraged going below parallel when squatting....high school, college or pro.  Some  suggest even stopping before that break (stopping before parallel). Yes, 400+ for some high school kids.

This can included front squatting, which really comes to mean quarter, or a bit below, reps to be honest, in a sports training program (unless your a Olympic lifter, the true athlete in the lifting world) .. It's the idea of getting adjusted to handling heavier weights targeting the shoulder girdle, where you need it in football. Front squats are a exercise that must be learned. Yes, 400+ has been done.

The Zercher squat(BB resting between the bent bicep and forearm in a cradle position) can also be injected into an athletes training. It is an exceptional exercise for power performance. Used in football style workouts and with very heavy weight. Not sure of any record poundage, but have personally seen 400+lbs used for reps (ah yes, that magical 400 again).

Good Luck

(Right back at ya Wes)

 

[ThisisOverload]

BB comes through as always. The 13 year old is nuts, if that really is 4 plates.

This may seem like me complaining but it's as I knew it would be, most of these are 3 quarter or quarter squats. "What do you mean bro, these look good to me bro?" When someone says their squats is such and such it doesn't say anything to me before I view it. I see a true squat as breaking parallel. For me, at my strongest, those few inches would mean the difference between a 500 and 700 squat. It's the same with leg presses. Numbers mean absolutely nothing until you see the depth.

I don't think there are many high school kids front squatting 4 plates for "many reps." I trained with an IPF lifter who was on the podium at World Champs in the 200lbs weight class. His front squat PR was 400lbs. My front squat PR was 420 after a ton of juice and decades of training Lol. What I'm saying is that a 4 plate front squat is crazy strong and I don't think it's common for children.

There are many long time lifters on Getbig. How many front squat 405lbs currently, especially if they haven't done the lift for awhile?

Last pic is a true parallel squat. What we see these kids doing is the first image mostly.

They aren't lifting for a competition, just building strength.

I was never told to squat below what was considered comfortable in HS.

But i agree with you, a full depth 405 squat is a lot harder than a 3/4 squat, that last few inches can bury you.

I've done a front squat with 455, but this was years ago when i was back squatting 600+.

Today i think i could get a few good reps with 335 or so, but i have no reason to try it. Heaviest i've gone recently on a front squat is 295 for 8-10 reps.

In high school we did a ton of back squats, hang cleans and power cleans. I don't recall anyone doing a front squat, but this was 27 years ago.

[Cook]

I have seen a lot of first time powerlifting competitors get very  disappointed when their big gym squat loses about 100 lbs when they have to get down to a legal depth

[Van_Bilderass]

I've never met many strength coaches (football) who encouraged going below parallel when squatting....high school, college or pro.  Some  suggest even stopping before that break (stopping before parallel). Yes, 400+ for some high school kids.

They aren't lifting for a competition, just building strength.

I was never told to squat below what was considered comfortable in HS.

I saw some famous coach talk about not going below parallel, how it hurt performance, is injurious etc. Looking at his videos his parallel isn't even a quarter squat.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CUXZDuxgGJz/?utm_medium=copy_link

Then other coaches ridiculed him, said the opposite was true. I don't know enough biomechanics in athletics to say one way or another.

A few years ago I tore my teardrop doing a double front squat with 350lbs. Weak ass constitution 

I have seen a lot of first time powerlifting competitors get very  disappointed when their big gym squat loses about 100 lbs when they have to get down to a legal depth

I can't even hit legal depth without heels.

[wes]

Springfield College.....in my hometown !!

[wes]

In spite of my sticklike legs,I always broke paralell when I quatted,but I no lomger do them as all they ever did was make me stronger than Hell,with zilch for leg development..plus they fucked up my aching back which has been flaring up for 3 weeks now.

[Cook]

Form has a lot to do with hitting parallel.(sounds pretty obvious) but if you can keep your lower legs perpendicular to the ground you can reach parallel with a shorter lifting stroke.Mike Bridges was the best I ever saw.He trained at our gym for a while and I would watch him squat and he looked like he only lifted it about 6 inches.You would think no way is that parallel but I would watch from the side and he was below parallel every time.He had a wide stance and his lower legs would be perfectly perpendicular to the ground and he was only lifting the weight a short distance but was well below parallel.Some of these kids could tweak their form a little and get more out of their squat powerlifting speaking but I guess for training their lower bodies they are getting plenty of work the way they’re doing it. I would just add that “Back in my day” if you squatted high you got verbally abused by the guys at Metro Athletic club.

[ThisisOverload]

I can't even hit legal depth without heels.

Same here, i have long leg bones.

I've always had to wear the Adidas lifting shoes.

[ChristopherA]

Check out Chad Nichols Instagram page and see his 14yr old son bench 365

[Van_Bilderass]

Check out Chad Nichols Instagram page and see his 14yr old son bench 365

He is juicing the kid no doubt. He is simply too strong, absolutely insane bench numbers. Both kids are juiced. I would love to know exactly what he is giving them.

[AbrahamG]

He is juicing the kid no doubt. He is simply too strong, absolutely insane bench numbers. Both kids are juiced. I would love to know exactly what he is giving them.

He's a sick fuck to be feeding his teenage sons dianabol.

[chaos]

BB comes through as always. The 13 year old is nuts, if that really is 4 plates.

This may seem like me complaining but it's as I knew it would be, most of these are 3 quarter or quarter squats. "What do you mean bro, these look good to me bro?" When someone says their squats is such and such it doesn't say anything to me before I view it. I see a true squat as breaking parallel. For me, at my strongest, those few inches would mean the difference between a 500 and 700 squat. It's the same with leg presses. Numbers mean absolutely nothing until you see the depth.

I don't think there are many high school kids front squatting 4 plates for "many reps." I trained with an IPF lifter who was on the podium at World Champs in the 200lbs weight class. His front squat PR was 400lbs. My front squat PR was 420 after a ton of juice and decades of training Lol. What I'm saying is that a 4 plate front squat is crazy strong and I don't think it's common for children.

There are many long time lifters on Getbig. How many front squat 405lbs currently, especially if they haven't done the lift for awhile?

Last pic is a true parallel squat. What we see these kids doing is the first image mostly.

I usually squat between the 3rd and 4th frame, always deep.
My best front squat, a few years back, was 425, dropped 455. Now? No idea. If I remember, I'll try some next week and see where I'm at.

[Hypertrophy]

To me, this is probably as good as it gets- a 170 pound guy going up to 495 for reps. I posted it because his form is excellent- and for a guy his weight, it's impressive as Hell. He wasn't maxxed out, that's obvious.

[Cook]

To me, this is probably as good as it gets- a 170 pound guy going up to 495 for reps. I posted it because his form is excellent- and for a guy his weight, it's impressive as Hell. He wasn't maxxed out, that's obvious.

yes that is impressive as Hell

[Griffith]

&t=9s

[wes]

All these pansies today that do curtsey "squats" need a few repeated kick to the nuts in rapid succession.