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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #125 on: February 08, 2022, 03:54:45 AM »
he was definitely reckless, but so were many others that never ended up on dialysis and are still relatively healthy to this day so yeah... bad luck

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Hardly bad luck.

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #126 on: February 08, 2022, 04:22:44 AM »
Tommy sounded like the guy who's girlfriend or a crush had been f*cked by Titus

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #127 on: February 08, 2022, 04:25:54 AM »
Hardly bad luck.

Yeah...I'm siding with you on that.  I agree that Earl has a point about all pros abusing their bodies...but even for a pro, I think Tom was a bit more reckless than most.  Especially when you compare Tom to, say, Kevin Levrone.  After tearing his pec in 1993, Kev took six months off before the 1994 Mr. Olympia...it was then that he realized that he didn't need to be on juice year-round, and could still be enormous.  Ronnie Coleman would also customarily stop training immediately after the Mr. Olympia, and not start training again until around the time of the Arnold Classic.  That was a solid 3-4 month break, depending on the exact dates of both events.

Also, look at Tom's recklessness in competing one final time, at the Ironman Pro in 2004.  Here were Tom's comments on that, which he posted on MuscleMayhem:

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I appreciate the sentiments and well wishes. Thank you for that.

One of the signs that your kidney's are having trouble is that your lungs start aking on a small amount of fluid. That happens because your kidney's are overworked, and are having a hard time regulating your water. The excess water puts a strain on the heart, which has to pump harder to get the water pushed through your kidney's. When you have too much water in your blood stream, it can back up into your lungs. The "gurgle" sound I coud hear at the end of every breath, is fluid in my lungs. Fluid in your lungs also makes in harder to breath. MUCH harder.

Compound the problem with being nervous about having to pose and compete while having a shortness of breath, and I started to hyperventalate.

This problem started on Friday, but I did my best to wait until the very last second to see if my lunds would clear, or go away. It didn't clear up until this morning (Sunday), after basically spending all day Saturday in bed.

I did get to go to the expo for an hour, just to sowly walk around and get some fresh air. Everything is fine right now.

^ Not great spelling for an English Master's degree holder.  Also - that was sheer recklessness, IMO.

If the story is true - it's reckless.  If the story is not true, then it's more evidence that Tom was a bit delusional, and his tendencies to exaggerate how successful people can be [not just him] without steroids/PEDs.

If what he said was true - even WITH kidney failure, and waiting for a transplant...Tom did that?  Wow.

In that January of 2004 issue of FLEX, in the article "To Hell and Back" about Tom's woes, he said he had his creatinine tested, and was immediately called by his doctor and told he was in kidney failure, and to come to the hospital IMMEDIATELY.

Tom stopped to get ice cream with his wife Rebecca, on the way.

It just REALLY struck me as someone who didn't give a hang about his health, to do that.

In the end, Tom WAS extremely cautious about his health, shrinking down to, what, 160-lb [maybe less?], and seemed to have everything else under control, health-wise.  If the USA is anything like Canada, you can't get an organ transplant if you don't pass various drug tests...so, IMO, Tom probably WAS living healthily post-diagnosis [since the 2004 Ironman - save for a couple of gear cycles someone I know who lived near him told me he ran in the late 00's].  But otherwise, I think Tom lived a good lifestyle - but only because he HAD to.

I'm not sure exactly when, but sometime between 2004 and 2011, Tom underwent his kidney transplant.

So while I think Tom had bad luck, I DO think he was more reckless than most pros.  If you compare him to Dorian Yates, for example, Dorian literally did nothing but live the bodybuilding life.  I know Dorian ordered a Lady of the Night when he visited my city - but I don't think he did drugs, and I'm not even aware of Dorian drinking alcohol in his competitive heyday.  Whereas Tom seemed to have been burning the candle at both ends.
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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #128 on: February 08, 2022, 04:26:47 AM »
Tommy sounded like the guy who's girlfriend or a crush had been f*cked by Titus

Was Melvin Anthony the crush?
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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #129 on: February 08, 2022, 02:09:37 PM »
Hardly bad luck.

well we will have to agree to disagree

he was on dialysis by the time he was 33 or so?  probably juicing for about 10 years and competed as a pro a handful of times

most of the others juiced and competed a lot longer than that and are seemingly fine today, or at least made it to their 40's without known health problems

who are the other bodybuilders on dialysis?

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #130 on: February 08, 2022, 02:18:54 PM »
Yeah...I'm siding with you on that.  I agree that Earl has a point about all pros abusing their bodies...but even for a pro, I think Tom was a bit more reckless than most.  Especially when you compare Tom to, say, Kevin Levrone.  After tearing his pec in 1993, Kev took six months off before the 1994 Mr. Olympia...it was then that he realized that he didn't need to be on juice year-round, and could still be enormous.  Ronnie Coleman would also customarily stop training immediately after the Mr. Olympia, and not start training again until around the time of the Arnold Classic.  That was a solid 3-4 month break, depending on the exact dates of both events.

Also, look at Tom's recklessness in competing one final time, at the Ironman Pro in 2004.  Here were Tom's comments on that, which he posted on MuscleMayhem:

^ Not great spelling for an English Master's degree holder.  Also - that was sheer recklessness, IMO.

If the story is true - it's reckless.  If the story is not true, then it's more evidence that Tom was a bit delusional, and his tendencies to exaggerate how successful people can be [not just him] without steroids/PEDs.

If what he said was true - even WITH kidney failure, and waiting for a transplant...Tom did that?  Wow.

In that January of 2004 issue of FLEX, in the article "To Hell and Back" about Tom's woes, he said he had his creatinine tested, and was immediately called by his doctor and told he was in kidney failure, and to come to the hospital IMMEDIATELY.

Tom stopped to get ice cream with his wife Rebecca, on the way.

It just REALLY struck me as someone who didn't give a hang about his health, to do that.

In the end, Tom WAS extremely cautious about his health, shrinking down to, what, 160-lb [maybe less?], and seemed to have everything else under control, health-wise.  If the USA is anything like Canada, you can't get an organ transplant if you don't pass various drug tests...so, IMO, Tom probably WAS living healthily post-diagnosis [since the 2004 Ironman - save for a couple of gear cycles someone I know who lived near him told me he ran in the late 00's].  But otherwise, I think Tom lived a good lifestyle - but only because he HAD to.

I'm not sure exactly when, but sometime between 2004 and 2011, Tom underwent his kidney transplant.

So while I think Tom had bad luck, I DO think he was more reckless than most pros.  If you compare him to Dorian Yates, for example, Dorian literally did nothing but live the bodybuilding life.  I know Dorian ordered a Lady of the Night when he visited my city - but I don't think he did drugs, and I'm not even aware of Dorian drinking alcohol in his competitive heyday.  Whereas Tom seemed to have been burning the candle at both ends.

matt Mr. Levrone competed about 60+ times as a pro from 92 - 2003, tom competed 7 times  from 99 - 2002

i don't think Mr. Levrone taking off a few months here and there during a 11 year pro career would make much of a difference protecting his health

plus he didn't really become a part time bodybuilder until 2000 or so late in his career, and when he did that it wasn't healthy to have huge body weight fluctuations to quickly go from maybe 200 lbs to 250 or so within 16 weeks in contest shape

also he seemed high during his M3 training video and was always rumored to be an alcoholic, and openly admits to drinking jack daniels to get ripped for a show

so i think it goes to show that some guys can be reckless with their health and get away with it, others like tom are reckless for less time and get completely fucked

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #131 on: February 08, 2022, 02:43:26 PM »
matt Mr. Levrone competed about 60+ times as a pro from 92 - 2003, tom competed 7 times  from 99 - 2002

i don't think Mr. Levrone taking off a few months here and there during a 11 year pro career would make much of a difference protecting his health

plus he didn't really become a part time bodybuilder until 2000 or so late in his career, and when he did that it wasn't healthy to have huge body weight fluctuations to quickly go from maybe 200 lbs to 250 or so within 16 weeks in contest shape

also he seemed high during his M3 training video and was always rumored to be an alcoholic, and openly admits to drinking jack daniels to get ripped for a show

so i think it goes to show that some guys can be reckless with their health and get away with it, others like tom are reckless for less time and get completely fucked

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Rumoured? Mr. Levrone admitted to it himself!  Lol!!!

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As for Mr. Levrone ever being high on anything...that I couldn't tell you - lol!!!

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I fondly remember when Mr. Levrone mentioned you on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly, and thanked you for going to bat for him here on Getbig!

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Who do you think would have won - Tom Prince at his best pro appearance, or Mr. Levrone at his worst pro appearance?

And just one last thing:

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #132 on: February 08, 2022, 02:46:43 PM »
Rumoured? Mr. Levrone admitted to it himself!  Lol!!!

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As for Mr. Levrone ever being high on anything...that I couldn't tell you - lol!!!

 ;D

I fondly remember when Mr. Levrone mentioned you on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly, and thanked you for going to bat for him here on Getbig!

 8)

Who do you think would have won - Tom Prince at his best pro appearance, or Mr. Levrone at his worst pro appearance?

And just one last thing:

MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!!!
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yes i remember those days well, bob cicherillo also referred to him as "half italian half amazing" in an interview he did with him after the 2016 olympia 8)

Mr. Levrone's worst pro appearance was the 2017 arnold australia, tom would easily beat that

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #133 on: February 08, 2022, 04:40:52 PM »
How does jack daniels help you get ripped?

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #134 on: February 08, 2022, 04:51:30 PM »
How does jack daniels help you get ripped?

ask ronnie

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #135 on: February 08, 2022, 05:30:32 PM »
yes i remember those days well, bob cicherillo also referred to him as "half italian half amazing" in an interview he did with him after the 2016 olympia 8)

Mr. Levrone's worst pro appearance was the 2017 arnold australia, tom would easily beat that

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WHAT?!

I had NO IDEA that Mr. Levrone competed at the 2018 Arnold Classic Australia!  Amazing!  And Mr. Levrone doesn't exactly look bad for being 53 years old at the time - wow!  8) 8)



^ You know, Earl, I must say - it wouldn't shock me if even that pro appearance by Mr. Levrone would beat some versions of Tom Prince.  Say for example, at the 2001 Mr. Olympia contest!  I have posted a photo below, for comparison.

Talk about elite genetics for Mr. Levrone!  8)

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #136 on: February 08, 2022, 05:36:30 PM »
WHAT?!

I had NO IDEA that Mr. Levrone competed at the 2018 Arnold Classic Australia!  Amazing!  And Mr. Levrone doesn't exactly look bad for being 53 years old at the time - wow!  8) 8)



^ You know, Earl, I must say - it wouldn't shock me if even that pro appearance by Mr. Levrone would beat some versions of Tom Prince.  Say for example, at the 2001 Mr. Olympia contest!  I have posted a photo below, for comparison.

Talk about elite genetics for Mr. Levrone!  8)

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Mr. Levrone looked horrible no way he beats tom in 2001, i haven't looked at him the same since

his comeback was like seeing your old high school crush that you still think about years later, then you run into her one day and now she looks old and fat which kills all of the sweet memories you had of her :-[

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #137 on: February 08, 2022, 06:34:06 PM »
Mr. Levrone looked horrible no way he beats tom in 2001, i haven't looked at him the same since

his comeback was like seeing your old high school crush that you still think about years later, then you run into her one day and now she looks old and fat which kills all of the sweet memories you had of her :-[

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Really?  I think that is a bit harsh, Earl.

Keep in mind that Mr. Levrone actually beat one pro at his last contest, at the 2018 Arnold Classic Australia - Mr. Levrone beat IFBB pro Darryn Onekawa, who was from New Zealand, which would normally be assumed to result in preferential treatment in judging in Australia.  So I think Mr. Levrone beat him fair and square.  That was an active, then current pro.  I don't know if Darryn Onekawa still competes, but at the time, he was an active pro.

And in 2016 at the Mr. Olympia, Mr. Levrone did not place - but there were three others who did not place with him, including Brandon Curry, who went on to win the Mr. Olympia himself, only three years later.

While Mr. Levrone wasn't at his competitive prime best in his two comeback shows that he came back for, both while over the age of 50, I still think he looked good, and was still a viable pro [if not at the Mr. Olympia level, still at the pro level, which was incredible for his age].  And of course - he wasn't at the prime Mr. Levrone level - but then again, who is?  8)

He may not have come back at age 50+ to look as good as Vince Taylor when he did that - but Vince Taylor turned pro rather late [age 32], and was thus able to extend his prime for that reason, IMO.  I still think what Mr. Levrone did was incredible, even though he was not at his own personal best.  But then again - if you compare all bodybuilders to a prime Mr. Levrone, I think you will be sorely disappointed at not only Mr. Levrone's comeback looks - but at the physiques of just about any IFBB pro!  Very few, if any, compare to a prime Mr. Levrone.  8)

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #138 on: February 08, 2022, 11:04:35 PM »
Some guys compete into their 50's or 60's (Taylor & Beckles for example) but they weren't off for years like Kevin was. They hardly took a break.

When Levrone came back his overall condition just missed the mark. It was a little disappointing.  He didn't quite nail it. But considering where he came back from- it was pretty cool to watch. At least I thought so.

You knew from the pre show conference when he stood up and did a posedown against Cedric? That he wasn't going to place high.

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #139 on: February 09, 2022, 07:10:42 AM »
Can't find the thread of his artistic nudes photographs.

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #140 on: February 09, 2022, 07:22:20 AM »
Can't find the thread of his artistic nudes photographs.

Researching for nostalgia purposes only, right?

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #141 on: February 09, 2022, 04:46:51 PM »
Prince videos:

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #142 on: February 09, 2022, 09:25:32 PM »
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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #143 on: February 10, 2022, 05:57:03 AM »
Looks like Tom hung out with quite an unhealthy social group:

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=111919991&p=244772571&viewfull=1#post244772571

I know this is off topic but related to the link above (Titus murder), but what ever happened to Kelly Ryan? I googled and saw that she's out of jail but didn't know where she is or what she's doing or how she's making a living.

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #144 on: February 10, 2022, 07:34:23 AM »
I know this is off topic but related to the link above (Titus murder), but what ever happened to Kelly Ryan? I googled and saw that she's out of jail but didn't know where she is or what she's doing or how she's making a living.
My guess would be she hooked up with an older man and is being taken care of.

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #145 on: February 10, 2022, 12:29:46 PM »
Kelly has now become the "live-in" girlfriend of Dana Lynn Bailey and her cuckold-swinger hubby. All 3 of them probably swap,suck and ride black cock.

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #146 on: February 10, 2022, 02:34:57 PM »
I know this is off topic but related to the link above (Titus murder), but what ever happened to Kelly Ryan? I googled and saw that she's out of jail but didn't know where she is or what she's doing or how she's making a living.

Heard she’s living with Matt C in Canada, she’s keeping a low profile these days

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #147 on: February 10, 2022, 03:13:38 PM »
My guess would be she hooked up with an older man and is being taken care of.

why would an older man want her?

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #148 on: February 10, 2022, 03:19:54 PM »
why would an older man want her?

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Re: RIP - Tom Prince - 02-05-22
« Reply #149 on: February 10, 2022, 03:23:05 PM »
Who schmoes?

i would think an older man with money can do better than some washed up old convicted felon that was maybe a 5 at her best to begin with

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