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Re: vaccines are killing massive numbers
« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2022, 01:13:42 PM »
Anyone questioning the "science" normally gets the " so you know more than the doctors and scientists?"
Let me give you an example
in 2019 I was diagnosed with kidney stones that I was told required surgery, I had researched myself and argued that lithotripsy could get rid of the stones but was told I was wrong and had to have surgery.
I almost died.
I then saw another consultant who told me I had to have surgery, I made my argument again initially to no avail, eventually he agreed to perform the non evasive method against his professional judgement
the treatment worked after 5 treatments even though he told me it could take around 16
Moral of the story is
Either your argument is valid or it isnt
It makes no difference who the source is
I’ve got stones also. Haven’t had an issue with them for about six years. Shit can hit at anytime.
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« Reply #51 on: February 11, 2022, 01:19:13 PM »
When you did research did you take the advice of non medically trained twitter posters or did you take the opinions of other Doctors?

I would like to hear the opinion of a German doctor ,in 1940, about Jews.
It is impossibel to be a doctor and against the vaccination. You will loose your Job 100%.
Bring arguments, not smart people who know it better.

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« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2022, 01:41:09 PM »
I would like to hear the opinion of a German doctor ,in 1940, about Jews.
It is impossibel to be a doctor and against the vaccination. You will loose your Job 100%.
Bring arguments, not smart people who know it better.

10,000,000 Medical Doctors worldwide ALL would have lost their job if they didn’t endorse the vaccine?

Seems legit.

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« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2022, 01:41:16 PM »
Wow! That’s interesting.


Eat shit you fucking twat, Howard, lol



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« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2022, 01:44:27 PM »
Fair enough.

Kidney stones are challenging to treat and can be life threatening. But 99% of all Doctors in the world weren’t telling you to get surgery.

When you did research did you take the advice of non medically trained twitter posters or did you take the opinions of other Doctors?


99% - hahahahahaha


As in 99% of JOAK'S post are bullshit, lol.




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Re: vaccines are killing massive numbers
« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2022, 01:50:04 PM »
I’ve got stones also. Haven’t had an issue with them for about six years. Shit can hit at anytime.


Everyone on planet earth has kidney stones. It's when they start moving that it is a problem. Often triggered by the acidity of urine dropping below 6.




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Re: vaccines are killing massive numbers
« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2022, 02:00:13 PM »
10,000,000 Medical Doctors worldwide

That is just your guessing.

Dr. Angelique Coetzee, South African doctor about omnicron:

"Most of them are seeing very, very mild symptoms and none of them so far have admitted patients to surgeries. We have been able to treat these patients conservatively at home,"

The european union pressured her to this:
I have been asked to refrain from making such statements and to say that it is a serious illness. I declined.

^^ what do you say about this? This is just one example i am sure there are more..


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Re: vaccines are killing massive numbers
« Reply #57 on: February 11, 2022, 03:41:49 PM »
That is just your guessing.

Dr. Angelique Coetzee, South African doctor about omnicron:

"Most of them are seeing very, very mild symptoms and none of them so far have admitted patients to surgeries. We have been able to treat these patients conservatively at home,"

The european union pressured her to this:
I have been asked to refrain from making such statements and to say that it is a serious illness. I declined.

^^ what do you say about this? This is just one example i am sure there are more..

This rogue doctor must be a quack.

When have the media or government ever lied to the public?

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Re: vaccines are killing massive numbers
« Reply #58 on: February 12, 2022, 07:43:47 AM »
"matt like" post reported

you vax-clowns are a joke, my great natural immunity kills your clot-shot.
in 3 dirty gym at different times of the week, never needed the mask, etc

i did get the flu once, after getting the flu-vax of course
never took the jab again, never got the flu again

Denial of Natural Immunity in Vaccine Mandates Unprecedented

https://www.theepochtimes.com/denial-of-natural-immunity-in-vaccine-mandates-unprecedented_4272075.html?utm_source=healthnoe&utm_campaign=health-2022-02-12&utm_medium=email&est=MkhPHAN%2BGT3x80EUxWpLthfvJpnGjlo4LcV6%2FpvgXNt%2BYHXcDZ4BRUEwe3aVOA%3D%3D

COVID-19 injection mandates raise glaring questions, with a key one revolving around natural immunity. Your immune system is designed to work in response to exposure to an infectious agent. Your adaptive immune system, specifically, generates antibodies that are used to fight pathogens that your body has previously encountered.
If you’ve had COVID-19, the research is strong that you’re well protected against reinfection. New data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention even show that prior COVID-19 infection, i.e., natural immunity, is more protective than COVID-19 injections.
However, people with natural immunity continue to be discriminated against and are still expected to get double- or triple-jabbed in order to comply with vaccine mandates — an unprecedented move in history.
‘Unprecedented’ Denial of Natural Immunity

The U.S. Supreme Court recently upheld a vaccine mandate at the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Service (CMS), which is part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The mandate affects 10.4 million health care workers employed at 76,000 medical facilities, making no exceptions for those who have natural immunity to COVID-19 due to prior infection.
Speaking with The Epoch Times, Dr. Scott Atlas, a former White House COVID-19 Task Force adviser, called the SCOTUS ruling “another denial of scientific fact,” adding:
“Our continued denial of superior protection in recovered individuals, with or without vaccination, compared to vaccinated individuals who’ve never had the infection … the denial of that is simply unprecedented in modern history. Proven fact and decades of fundamental immunology are somehow denied. If we are a society where the leaders repeatedly deny the fact, I’m very concerned about the future of such a society.”
While upholding the vaccine mandate for medical facilities that accept Medicare or Medicaid payments, SCOTUS blocked a White House mandate that would have required private companies with 100 or more employees to ensure staff have gotten a COVID-19 injection or were tested regularly for COVID-19 — or face steep fines.
The Labor Department’s Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) was supposed to be in charge of enforcing the rule, which would have affected more than 80 million U.S. workers. Of their decision, the court noted:
“Although Congress has indisputably given OSHA the power to regulate occupational dangers, it has not given that agency the power to regulate public health more broadly. Requiring the vaccination of 84 million Americans, selected simply because they work for employers with more than 100 employees, certainly falls in the latter category.”
Despite the private business vaccine mandate being struck down, the White House urged states and businesses to voluntarily enact sweeping vaccine mandates, again ignoring the fact that many people are already naturally immune.
World No. 1 tennis player Novak Djokovic is a prime example — despite previously having COVID-19, and therefore having acquired natural immunity, he was barred from playing at the Australian Open because he didn’t get the COVID-19 injection.
Natural COVID-19 Immunity Superior to Shot-Derived Immunity

Data from New York and California health officials, published in the CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, show that people who had previously had COVID-19 were far better protected against COVID-19 infection with the Delta variant than people who had been jabbed. The report states:
“By the week beginning October 3, compared with COVID-19 cases rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, case rates among vaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis were 6.2-fold (California) and 4.5-fold (New York) lower; rates were substantially lower among both groups with previous COVID-19 diagnoses, including 29.0-fold (California) and 14.7-fold lower (New York) among unvaccinated persons with a previous diagnosis, and 32.5-fold (California) and 19.8-fold lower (New York) among vaccinated persons with a previous diagnosis of COVID-19.
During the same period, compared with hospitalization rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, hospitalization rates in California followed a similar pattern. These results demonstrate that vaccination protects against COVID-19 and related hospitalization, and that surviving a previous infection protects against a reinfection and related hospitalization.
Importantly, infection-derived protection was higher after the Delta variant became predominant, a time when vaccine-induced immunity for many persons declined because of immune evasion and immunologic waning.”
In another study, researchers reviewed studies published in PubMed and found that the risk of reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 decreased by 80.5% to 100% among people who had previously had COVID-19. Additional research cited in their review found:

Among 9,119 people who had previously had COVID-19, only 0.7% became reinfected.
At the Cleveland Clinic in Cleveland, Ohio, the incidence rate of COVID-19 among those who had not previously been infected was 4.3 per 100 people; the COVID-19 incidence rate among those who had previously been infected was zero per 100 people.
The frequency of hospitalization due to a repeated COVID-19 infection was five per14,840 people, or .03%, according to an Austrian study; the frequency of death due to a repeated infection was one per 14,840 people, or .01%.

Given these findings, the researchers concluded that previous infection status should be documented and recovered patients counseled on their risk for reinfection. They stated:
“Given the evidence of immunity from previous SARS-CoV-2 infection, however, policy makers should consider recovery from previous SARS-CoV-2 infection equal to immunity from vaccination for purposes related to entry to public events, businesses, and the workplace, or travel requirements.”
It’s Rare to Get Reinfected by SARS-CoV-2

In a letter to the editor of The New England Journal of Medicine, Dr. Roberto Bertollini of the Ministry of Public Health in Doha, Qatar, and colleagues estimated the efficacy of natural immunity against reinfection by comparing data in the national cohort.
They found that immunity acquired from previous infection was 92.3% effective against reinfection with the beta variant and 97.6% effective against reinfection with the alpha variant. Protection persisted even one year after the primary infection.
Researchers from Ireland also conducted a systematic review including 615,777 people who had recovered from COVID-19, with a maximum duration of follow-up of more than 10 months. “Reinfection was an uncommon event,” they noted, “… with no study reporting an increase in the risk of reinfection over time.” The absolute reinfection rate ranged from zero percent to 1.1%, while the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%.15,16,17
Another study revealed similarly reassuring results. It followed 43,044 SARS-CoV-2 antibody-positive people for up to 35 weeks, and only 0.7% were reinfected. When genome sequencing was applied to estimate population-level risk of reinfection, the risk was estimated at 0.1%.
Again, there was no indication of waning immunity over seven months of follow-up, with the researchers concluding, “Reinfection is rare. Natural infection appears to elicit strong protection against reinfection with an efficacy >90% for at least seven months.”
Another study from Israel also had researchers questioning “the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals,” after their analysis showed similar risks of reinfection among those with vaccine-induced or natural immunity. Specifically, vaccination had an overall estimated efficacy of preventing reinfection of 92.8%, compared to 94.8% for natural immunity acquired via prior infection.
Evidence from Washington University School of Medicine also shows long-lasting immunity to COVID-19 exists in those who’ve recovered from the natural infection. At both seven months and 11 months after infection, most of the participants had bone marrow plasma cells (BMPCs) that secreted antibodies specific for the spike protein encoded by SARS-CoV-2.
The BMPCs were found in amounts similar to those found in people who had been vaccinated against tetanus or diphtheria, which are considered to provide long-lasting immunity. “Overall, our data provide strong evidence that SARS-CoV-2 infection in humans robustly establishes the two arms of humoral immune memory: long-lived BMPCs and memory B cells,” the researchers noted.
This is among the best available evidence of long-lasting immunity, because this immunological memory is a distinct part of the immune system that’s essential to long-term protection, beyond the initial immune response to the virus.
Getting the Shot May Be Worse After Prior Infection

If you’ve had COVID-19, getting injected may pose an even greater risk, to the extent that Dr. Hooman Noorchashm, Ph.D., a cardiac surgeon and patient advocate, has repeatedly warned the FDA that “clear and present danger” exists for those who have had COVID-19 and subsequently get the injection.
At issue are viral antigens that remain in your body after you are naturally infected. The immune response reactivated by the COVID-19 injection can trigger inflammation in tissues where the viral antigens are present. The inner lining of blood vessels, the lungs and the brain may be particularly at risk of such inflammation and damage.25 Writing in Lancet Infectious Diseases, researchers also explained:
“Some people who have recovered from COVID-19 might not benefit from COVID-19 vaccination. In fact, one study found that previous COVID-19 was associated with increased adverse events following vaccination with the Comirnaty BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine (Pfizer–BioNTech). In addition, there are rare reports of serious adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination.”
As it stands, the U.S. CDC continues to push universal injections, despite past infection status, and natural immunity is not considered adequate to enter the growing number of venues requiring vaccine passports. This isn’t the case in Switzerland, where residents who have had COVID-19 in the past 12 months are considered to be equally as protected as those who’ve been injected.
The end-goal of vaccine passports, though, isn’t to simply track one shot. Your entire identity, including your medical history, finances, sexual orientation and much more, could soon be stored in a mobile app that’s increasingly required to partake in society. While some might call this convenience, others would call it oppression.
You can fight back against vaccine mandates and their related vaccine passports by not supporting establishments that require proof of a shot or a negative test, and avoiding all digital identities and vaccine ID passports offered as a means of increasing “access” or “convenience.”

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Re: vaccines are killing massive numbers
« Reply #59 on: February 12, 2022, 07:48:56 AM »
Natural COVID-19 Immunity Superior to Shot-Derived Immunity

Data from New York and California health officials, published in the CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, show that people who had previously had COVID-19 were far better protected against COVID-19 infection with the Delta variant than people who had been jabbed. The report states:

“By the week beginning October 3, compared with COVID-19 cases rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, case rates among vaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis were 6.2-fold (California) and 4.5-fold (New York) lower; rates were substantially lower among both groups with previous COVID-19 diagnoses, including 29.0-fold (California) and 14.7-fold lower (New York) among unvaccinated persons with a previous diagnosis, and 32.5-fold (California) and 19.8-fold lower (New York) among vaccinated persons with a previous diagnosis of COVID-19.

i wonder if the libs who say to "trust the science" trust these cdc findings??? ^^^^^^^^^^

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Re: vaccines are killing massive numbers
« Reply #60 on: February 12, 2022, 12:39:34 PM »
The fact that government agencies and the medical establishment is resorting to censorship to control discussion of the issue, in and of itself, tells you there is a major problem with the vaccines.

Any good product sells itself. Any product that does not sell itself is, by definition, a bad product. That they have to coerce people into taking them makes clear they are bad for you. This is just basic horse sense.

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Re: vaccines are killing massive numbers
« Reply #61 on: February 12, 2022, 12:50:39 PM »
We all know the biggest risk factor for the virus itself (not the vaccines) is obesity. Obesity is an even bigger risk factor than old age. Nearly all people who have died of the virus itself have been obese and/or old. Corona-chan hates fatties.

That the CDC and medical establishment has not been pushing people to work out, loose the weight, and get into shape makes abundantly clear that nothing is on the up and up with this covid-19 business.

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Re: vaccines are killing massive numbers
« Reply #62 on: February 12, 2022, 01:32:53 PM »
We all know the biggest risk factor for the virus itself (not the vaccines) is obesity. Obesity is an even bigger risk factor than old age. Nearly all people who have died of the virus itself have been obese and/or old. Corona-chan hates fatties.

That the CDC and medical establishment has not been pushing people to work out, loose the weight, and get into shape makes abundantly clear that nothing is on the up and up with this covid-19 business.

To be fair I'm not sure how the CDC or medical establishment could get the fat lazy public to stop stuffing their face with donuts. I think some of this is due to the politically correct fat acceptance movement.

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« Reply #63 on: February 12, 2022, 01:39:14 PM »
That is just your guessing.

Dr. Angelique Coetzee, South African doctor about omnicron:

"Most of them are seeing very, very mild symptoms and none of them so far have admitted patients to surgeries. We have been able to treat these patients conservatively at home,"

The european union pressured her to this:
I have been asked to refrain from making such statements and to say that it is a serious illness. I declined.

^^ what do you say about this? This is just one example i am sure there are more..


JOAK always resorts to big round fictitious numbers. I say 1,000,000,000 doctors say JOAK is a twat. How can anyone argue with that  ;D 

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Re: vaccines are killing massive numbers
« Reply #64 on: February 12, 2022, 02:07:37 PM »
We all know the biggest risk factor for the virus itself (not the vaccines) is obesity. Obesity is an even bigger risk factor than old age. Nearly all people who have died of the virus itself have been obese and/or old. Corona-chan hates fatties.

That the CDC and medical establishment has not been pushing people to work out, loose the weight, and get into shape makes abundantly clear that nothing is on the up and up with this covid-19 business.

And it's not like all fat people died or even morbidly obese died or anything close.  Same with old people.  Even then it is still a very very small percentage of them, even of the ones who get it.  They could have easily focused on the most at risk populations, but instead they went full batshit crazy closing schools and masking kids.

This was always the Big Lie. 

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« Reply #65 on: February 12, 2022, 07:30:23 PM »
I think some of this is due to the politically correct fat acceptance movement.

No doubt. But they should still be challenging this fat acceptance movement. However, they do not because they, along with all of our other public institutions, are now completely infested with "woke SJW" employees. This will institutionally neutralize them such that they are no longer capable of doing anything useful, whatsoever.

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« Reply #66 on: February 12, 2022, 10:06:43 PM »
I love all these stats as if they are the be all end all. Me and three other family members tested positive for COVID this past week, using home tests. There is no requirement for an individual to report a positive test. Doctors are required to though. In fact, it isn't exactly clear where to report it if you wanted to.

Answer me this, since made available last January, how many positive home test never got reported....hmmm, there is no way to know. Chances are quite a few. This suggests there are many more cases of COVID than we know about.

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« Reply #67 on: February 13, 2022, 12:34:55 AM »
I love all these stats as if they are the be all end all. Me and three other family members tested positive for COVID this past week, using home tests. There is no requirement for an individual to report a positive test. Doctors are required to though. In fact, it isn't exactly clear where to report it if you wanted to.

Answer me this, since made available last January, how many positive home test never got reported....hmmm, there is no way to know. Chances are quite a few. This suggests there are many more cases of COVID than we know about.

So, how reliable is the test? How can it distinguish between the flu or any other crap? Home tests, PCR - all a scam to keep the thing alive and running. 

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« Reply #68 on: February 13, 2022, 03:41:36 AM »
I love all these stats as if they are the be all end all.

says the c-unt who cuts/pastes from every libtard site like its gospel  ::)
go back to dick-sukking

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Re: vaccines are killing massive numbers
« Reply #69 on: February 13, 2022, 07:41:33 AM »
Another friend died post-jab. New total:

People I know:

Dead from RONA = 0
Dead from Vax = 4

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« Reply #70 on: February 13, 2022, 07:50:11 AM »
Consider how Pfizer and Moderna want until 2076 to release all of the data surrounding the drug trials for the covid-19 shots. If this is not a clear indicator that fraud was committed during those trials, I don't know what is.

Everything about these covid-19 vaccines smells like a rat. 

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« Reply #71 on: February 13, 2022, 08:45:46 AM »
In a court of law, if a witness is caught lying on the stand, it is up to the jurors to decide if anything that witness has said is the truth or if everything that witness has said is a lie.

The government and its agencies and medical experts have lied many times. They lied about the food pyramid. They lied about the value of high carbohydrate diets. They lied about Thimerosal used in vaccines and other medical products such as contact lense solutions. They lied about the infamous Framingham Study. They lied about the reasons for the Vietnam War and fabricated the "incident" that was used as justification for that war. Given their pattern of lying and obfuscation, is it not reasonable to assume everything they have said about covid-19 and the vaccines are lies as well? As a private citizen and tax payers, you are a "juror" in a case where the main witness has a 50+ year history of telling lies. Is it not reasonable to assume that the witness in question is lying about these matters as well?

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« Reply #72 on: February 13, 2022, 08:49:46 AM »
Q: How can you tell if a politician or a medical expert is lying?
A: Their lips are moving.

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« Reply #73 on: February 13, 2022, 08:55:34 AM »
In a court of law, if a witness is caught lying on the stand, it is up to the jurors to decide if anything that witness has said is the truth or if everything that witness has said is a lie.

The government and its agencies and medical experts have lied many times. They lied about the food pyramid. They lied about the value of high carbohydrate diets. They lied about Thimerosal used in vaccines and other medical products such as contact lense solutions. They lied about the infamous Framingham Study. They lied about the reasons for the Vietnam War and fabricated the "incident" that was used as justification for that war. Given their pattern of lying and obfuscation, is it not reasonable to assume everything they have said about covid-19 and the vaccines are lies as well? As a private citizen and tax payers, you are a "juror" in a case where the main witness has a 50+ year history of telling lies. Is it not reasonable to assume that the witness in question is lying about these matters as well?

Same thing when a guy marries a woman with a promiscious past and thinks she's a changed woman now that she's with him lol.

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« Reply #74 on: February 13, 2022, 08:58:40 AM »
stuff is coming out
this cluster is going to go down as one of the biggest crimes in history, with lots of dead-vaxxed folks
and the dummies who support this, you got something wrong with you
you want to take it fine, leave others alone, its not affecting your health
the fat obese-kunts who are dying from this are the ones who should have been harrassed, not healthy folks who dont need it.
theyve been pushing our healthcare costs thru the roof for decades
not healthy people (dip shits)
very bizarre NO-IQ activity on the marxist commie-left