Kratom

[Matt]

He's been retired for years. Still in great shape, still trains hard. 200grms test per week and that's it. Didn't have any cardiac issues before the Kratom, started having arrhythmia's during, didn't think much of it, continued taking it. Stopped it, still had problems months after discontinuing. He's fine now but not worth it IMO. He's 46 now

200 grams of test per week? He must be on the Dallas McCarver death cycle. Unless that was a massive typo, that may have been the cause of his arrhythmias. 

[Van_Bilderass]

Regarding being opiate naive and really feeling Kratom. I've
never really been hooked to pain killers 10 or 20 codeine a couple of times a year; or 20 Tramadol once. Something approximating that yearly for a decade.Those get me high, especially the tramadol even at like just 100mg. Kratom was barely perceptible. I gave a little to a friend for sleep and he said he could'nt feel it but felt he slept extra well.
The a couole of weeks back he takes his dose 2 hours before going to bed, texts me: "bro I'm really fucked up, can't walk straight, absolutely could not drive in this state."

Another friend has eaten 10 tabs of Codein for over a decade and he thinks tramadol is shit. I barely notice codeine but tramadol is very nice. Actually someone just gave me 50 × 200mg Tramadol. One tab just before working out and the effect carries over into the next day.

Which type of person can be considered opiate naive?

[ProudVirgin69]

Yes that is what I’m going to do taper over 5 or 6 weeks.You know I take a teaspoon every morning then drink a huge cup of coffee on my hour long drive to work and honestly I feel great when I get there.Wide awake and energetic. I do the same thing before I train so I don’t know if it’s absolutely necessary to stop I just don’t like the terrible withdrawals I get if I go over 8 hours without any. I have read it is in the coffee family and hell if I go a day without coffee I am not a nice guy to be around either.Anyway thanks for the input all of you guys.

Capsules are more expensive but are worth it for ease & accuracy of taper.  Good luck, you can do this👍

[Cook]

Capsules are more expensive but are worth it for ease & accuracy of taper.  Good luck, you can do this👍

thank you sir

[ESFitness]

Regarding being opiate naive and really feeling Kratom. I've
never really been hooked to pain killers 10 or 20 codeine a couple of times a year; or 20 Tramadol once. Something approximating that yearly for a decade.Those get me high, especially the tramadol even at like just 100mg. Kratom was barely perceptible. I gave a little to a friend for sleep and he said he could'nt feel it but felt he slept extra well.
The a couole of weeks back he takes his dose 2 hours before going to bed, texts me: "bro I'm really fucked up, can't walk straight, absolutely could not drive in this state."

Another friend has eaten 10 tabs of Codein for over a decade and he thinks tramadol is shit. I barely notice codeine but tramadol is very nice. Actually someone just gave me 50 × 200mg Tramadol. One tab just before working out and the effect carries over into the next day.

Which type of person can be considered opiate naive?

someone without a tolerance.

i doubt the friend who takes the codeine for a decade even feels it, it just keeps him from getting sick.

tramadol works on different areas of the brain as well.. so it's also considered an SSRI/SNRI and can be super addictive. you end up dealing with not just opiate withdrawal, but also ssri withdrawl at the same time. not fun. tramadol is what sent me to morphine/heroin.

[Van_Bilderass]

someone without a tolerance.

i doubt the friend who takes the codeine for a decade even feels it, it just keeps him from getting sick.

tramadol works on different areas of the brain as well.. so it's also considered an SSRI/SNRI and can be super addictive. you end up dealing with not just opiate withdrawal, but also ssri withdrawl at the same time. not fun. tramadol is what sent me to morphine/heroin.

Kratom was actually classed as a narcotic for the first time here in Sweden after some assholes were ordering in India and and mixing it in with Kratom and aa bunch of people went to rehab. Then strangely Tramadol pharma pills were taken off the scheduled list again, only the UG powder was narcotic. And the Kratom was banned still as well, of course

I noticed that Tramadol had instant and impressive antidepressant effect and stopping even after less than a week made me very anxious and depressed.

I know my friend  claims he doesn't even feel the withdrawal from codeine. At the same time he is deathly afraid of losing his script. It does nothing but he has to have it. I just wonder how come he can't feel the tramadol at all, since in my mind it's many times "stronger" and different to codeine, antidepressant effect and cergain type of buzzing feeling. Didn't much feel codeine when i was really naive, same if I took it now.

And oh yeah, another friend claims a doc in Denmark wrote him scripts for tramadol for depression specifically. Most docs wouldn't even if he thought there likely was justification for it.

Tramadol makes me really anorgasmic. They have actually trialled it in premature ejaculators 

[joswift]

someone without a tolerance.

i doubt the friend who takes the codeine for a decade even feels it, it just keeps him from getting sick.

tramadol works on different areas of the brain as well.. so it's also considered an SSRI/SNRI and can be super addictive. you end up dealing with not just opiate withdrawal, but also ssri withdrawl at the same time. not fun. tramadol is what sent me to morphine/heroin.

I have been taking citalopram for depressioin for the last 18 months
I made the mistake of taking tramadol alongside it when I tweaked my back
I was only taking 150mgs tramadol a day for three days

Fucks sake I thought I was going to explode , my anxiety levels went through the roof.

Seratonine syndrome apparently

[loco]

Dad collapsed at dinner table before dying. Family’s lawsuit blames supplement Kratom

The Gordon County Medical Examiner ruled McPherson died from “acute mitragynine (kratom) toxicity,” according to a new wrongful death lawsuit filed in Gwinnett County by the family.

Kratom, often sold as a dietary or herbal supplement, is becoming increasingly popular in the U.S. and was responsible for the deaths of 91 people from July 2016 to December 2017, according to a report published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in 2019.

The FDA says it can expose those who consume it to “risks of addiction, abuse and dependence,” and warns against using it after receiving “concerning reports” regarding its safety.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dad-collapsed-dinner-table-dying-183707331.html

[joswift]

Dad collapsed at dinner table before dying. Family’s lawsuit blames supplement Kratom

The Gordon County Medical Examiner ruled McPherson died from “acute mitragynine (kratom) toxicity,” according to a new wrongful death lawsuit filed in Gwinnett County by the family.

Kratom, often sold as a dietary or herbal supplement, is becoming increasingly popular in the U.S. and was responsible for the deaths of 91 people from July 2016 to December 2017, according to a report published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in 2019.

The FDA says it can expose those who consume it to “risks of addiction, abuse and dependence,” and warns against using it after receiving “concerning reports” regarding its safety.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dad-collapsed-dinner-table-dying-183707331.html

none of which kill you


article may also be inaccurate

Research indicates that kratom use may be on the rise. One study found that during a 7-year-period—from 2011-2017—individuals made 1,800 calls to poison control centers regarding adverse effects of kratom.2 Nearly two-thirds of the calls came in 2016 and 2017.2

Overdose and death. Kratom has been linked to a very small number of deaths and is therefore extremely unlikely. One report found 11 deaths over a 7-year period associated with kratom use. Kratom, alone, was connected to two of those deaths.

https://americanaddictioncenters.org/kratom/dangers

[loco]

none of which kill you


article may also be inaccuratehttps://americanaddictioncenters.org/kratom/dangers

He died, but it would have been worse had he not been COVID vaccinated.

[beakdoctor]

Dad collapsed at dinner table before dying. Family’s lawsuit blames supplement Kratom

The Gordon County Medical Examiner ruled McPherson died from “acute mitragynine (kratom) toxicity,” according to a new wrongful death lawsuit filed in Gwinnett County by the family.

Kratom, often sold as a dietary or herbal supplement, is becoming increasingly popular in the U.S. and was responsible for the deaths of 91 people from July 2016 to December 2017, according to a report published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in 2019.

The FDA says it can expose those who consume it to “risks of addiction, abuse and dependence,” and warns against using it after receiving “concerning reports” regarding its safety.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dad-collapsed-dinner-table-dying-183707331.html

Scapegoat. Family needs someone to file suit against/blame.

Saying kratom killed someone is about as ridiculous as calling creatine the same thing as steroids. It's just people who don't know wtf they are talking about.

I saw a few weeks ago a kid took his own life. Parents found a journal he was keeping and one of the last entries was a "to do" list. 1. On the list was 'quit taking kratom' so family is blaming his suicide on kratom.

I suppose anything could be spiked but then it wouldn't be the kratom it would be whatever it was spiked with.

[Lartinos]

Coming off Kratom, although different in effect than coffee, was quite similar.

Most people can be a bit moody and that’s it.

[sancho ed]

Had some good experiences, gives u a mild euphoric effect, mild pain killer, and sleep better too. Take it a few times a week at night to relax. I use the ultra enhanced maeng da from Kratom krates

[Marty Champions]

I have been taking citalopram for depressioin for the last 18 months
I made the mistake of taking tramadol alongside it when I tweaked my back
I was only taking 150mgs tramadol a day for three days

Fucks sake I thought I was going to explode , my anxiety levels went through the roof.

Seratonine syndrome apparently

your back hurts because u dont train legs with consistency nimrod i guess baby boomers fix everything with shots and pills u lazy fag

[Van_Bilderass]

Kratom had two bad sides. Nausea, stomach upset and drastically reduced appetite. IME.

[beakdoctor]

Kratom had two bad sides. Nausea, stomach upset and drastically reduced appetite. IME.

I had reduced appetite and reduced sex drive. Pretty drastic too for both.

I only experienced nausea only when I took the capsules.  Never when I took powder and just washed it down.

[AbrahamG]

your back hurts because u dont train legs with consistency nimrod i guess baby boomers fix everything with shots and pills u lazy fag

The Falcon is soaring tonight folks!

[ChristopherA]

your back hurts because u dont train legs with consistency nimrod i guess baby boomers fix everything with shots and pills u lazy fag

You're a disgusting fatbody. Calling someone else lazy?

[AbrahamG]

You're a disgusting fatbody. Calling someone else lazy?

He must have made pit stop at Sherwin Williams.   

[ChristopherA]

He must have made pit stop at Sherwin Williams.   

Oh boy Falcon has been huffing the paint again?