Yates Row - for a big back

[Royalty]

So, if you just do skull crushers will your triceps be completely developed maximally in all respects or does it concentrate on the long head?

Should you do kickbacks to concentrate on the lateral head?

https://www.anabolicaliens.com/blog/tricep-dumbbell-kickback

"While the tricep kickback works all three heads of the muscle, it especially targets the lateral head of the triceps."

IronNat

On kickbacks, your elbow is next to your hip

On overhead extensions, your elbow is overhead

The shoulder is in a totally different position. And the long head crosses the shoulder joint.


They are not the same movements

[IroNat]

Yeah of course. My training partner had 21 inch arms and legs that couldn’t grow under any type of stress it seemed. The principle is that a foundation is built with squats, deadlifts, etc. No direct stimulation for arm development is needed in theory if you are focusing on the large muscle compound movements.

So, you don't need to do squats, deadlifts or lower body work to get big arms?  The theory of it being necessary sounds logical but falls flat.

[IroNat]

IronNat

On kickbacks, your elbow is next to your hip

On overhead extensions, your elbow area overhead

The shoulder is in a totally different position. And the long head crosses the shoulder joint.


They are not the same movements

I've been training for over 40 years.  I know all of what you are saying.

The tricep kickback concentrates on the lateral head.  Overhead pressing/extensions concentrate on the long head.

Both movements hit all three heads somewhat.

The tricep kickback is considered a finishing movement for the triceps.  You would do it last after heavy pressing. 

It is similar to doing tricep pushdowns for the lateral head.  You should do them last as a finisher.

To say kickbacks do not develop the tricep is incorrect.

They were commonly done by old time bodybuilders and they worked.

[youandme]

So, you don't need to do squats, deadlifts or lower body work to get big arms?  The theory of it being necessary sounds logical but falls flat.

Correct and you don’t need curls or pushdowns to get big arms.

I think it’s a good principle to teach, especially for beginners that go into it with training arms and neglecting the hard movements.

I guess it could come down to if you had to pick only 3 exercises to perform what would they be.

[Royalty]

I've been training for over 40 years.  I know all of what you are saying.

The tricep kickback concentrates on the lateral head.  Overhead pressing/extensions concentrate on the long head.

Both movements hit all three heads somewhat.

The tricep kickback is considered a finishing movement for the triceps.  You would do it last after heavy pressing. 

It is similar to doing tricep pushdowns for the lateral head.  You should do them last as a finisher.

To say kickbacks do not develop the tricep is incorrect.

They were commonly done by old time bodybuilders and they worked.

You simply don’t fully understand the long head of the tricep.

“The long head sits on the other side of the horseshoe and runs up the entire arm. In fact, it gets the name “long head” because the long head triceps origin is actually located on the infraglenoid tubercle of the scapula. This means the long head crosses the elbow joint and the shoulder joint, meaning the triceps muscle is actually bi-articular (a muscle that crosses two joints).  And again, along with the other two heads, the long head triceps insertion is at the olecranon process of ulna”

[IroNat]

You simply don’t fully understand the long head of the tricep.

“The long head sits on the other side of the horseshoe and runs up the entire arm. In fact, it gets the name “long head” because the long head triceps origin is actually located on the infraglenoid tubercle of the scapula. This means the long head crosses the elbow joint and the shoulder joint, meaning the triceps muscle is actually bi-articular (a muscle that crosses two joints).  And again, along with the other two heads, the long head triceps insertion is at the olecranon process of ulna”

I understand how the heads of the tricep work.

We are misunderstanding each other and are not in disagreement.

But to say tricep kickbacks do not build the triceps is incorrect.

[IroNat]

Correct and you don’t need curls or pushdowns to get big arms.

I think it’s a good principle to teach, especially for beginners that go into it with training arms and neglecting the hard movements.

I guess it could come down to if you had to pick only 3 exercises to perform what would they be.

I think you misunderstood what I wrote.

I meant "you do not need to squat or deadlift or do leg work to have big arms". 

To this statement you agreed. 

Guys with good arms who never train legs are common because most people hate to train legs.

Your arms will naturally get bigger if you squat and deadlift because you will increase your bodyweight.  Even so your arm development, shape, peak is genetic.

[Royalty]

I understand how the heads of the tricep work.

We are misunderstanding each other and are not in disagreement.

But to say tricep kickbacks do not build the triceps is incorrect.

Understood. 👍

[Dave D]

So have we figured out if leg extensions will build large triceps?

[Royalty]

So have we figured out if leg extensions will build large triceps?

😂

[joswift]

the tricep straightens your arm, straighten your arm against resistance and the triceps will respond with growth

Thread end

You need to find an excercise that fully works the muscle through its range of motion and stick with it

I remember seeing a Dallas McCarver tricep video and he must have done 7 or 8 different exercises and every single one was a variation of straightening his arm

[Humble Narcissist]

the tricep straightens your arm, straighten your arm against resistance and the triceps will respond with growth

Thread end

You need to find an excercise that fully works the muscle through its range of motion and stick with it

I remember seeing a Dallas McCarver tricep video and he must have done 7 or 8 different exercises and every single one was a variation of straightening his arm

Yep, same with biceps. People will do 10 different exercises to do the same thing.

[GymnJuice]

muscles dont know weight, they only know intensity.

Only when your workouts over emphasize muscle confusion. Once you concentrate on building up your muscle memory then your muscles can know many different things.

[joswift]

Yep, same with biceps. People will do 10 different exercises to do the same thing.

Triceps I do rope extensions and dips on a machine but do them in such a way as it involves my chest as well

Thats all I ever do

Biceps machine preacher curls and standing i arm curls on the overhead cable crossover

I just do as many sets as I need to tire the muscle out

[wes]

To build muscle:
Squats help build leg and calf muscles and also create an anabolic environment that promotes body-wide muscle building.

When done properly, they trigger the release of testosterone and human growth hormone – needed for muscle growth.

[Royalty]

Just to confirm, at the beginning of this thread, David D was joking when he said that bicep curls build the quads.

[joswift]

To build muscle:
Squats help build leg and calf muscles and also create an anabolic environment that promotes body-wide muscle building.

When done properly, they trigger the release of testosterone and human growth hormone – needed for muscle growth.

[Marty Champions]

yes because 1-arm tricep kick-backs build giant mass & power like close-grip bench, jm press and floor-presses. 

exactly why would it not it woul hit back n tris
Instead of chest and tris

[a_pupil]

To build muscle:
Squats help build leg and calf muscles and also create an anabolic environment that promotes body-wide muscle building.

When done properly, they trigger the release of testosterone and human growth hormone – needed for muscle growth.

Squats and deadlifts have to be the two most overrated exercises for muscle building.

A lot of it is natty cope, like the 20 rep breathing squats to spike your hormones lol.

[Marty Champions]

this thread means nothing at the end of the day youre still the same as long as u got off your ass and spent all your energy on working or liftin weights your body reacts in a fatigued or hungry way.... Thats it , no gains , no 40 pound increase on rows month to month or yearly even


I can do yates rows for ten years straight i will not gain a 100pounds of row strength maybe 👍😂

[Dave D]

Just to confirm, at the beginning of this thread, David D was joking when he said that bicep curls build the quads.

To build muscle:
Squats help build leg and calf muscles and also create an anabolic environment that promotes body-wide muscle building.

When done properly, they trigger the release of testosterone and human growth hormone – needed for muscle growth.

this thread means nothing at the end of the day youre still the same as long as u got off your ass and spent all your energy on working or liftin weights your body reacts in a fatigued or hungry way.... Thats it , no gains , no 40 pound increase on rows month to month or yearly even


I can do yates rows for ten years straight i will not gain a 100pounds of row strength maybe 👍😂

Was I?

 

[stingray]

there are no gains to be had by one exercise over another just new angles

Dorian was all drugs

this, hard to build a thick dense back without some sort of enhancment