Vegan Stupidity.

[ThisisOverload]

If you feel guilty that's your problem..
Why would you feel guilty?

Exactly.

I like animals.

But i like the way some of them taste too.

[ThisisOverload]

Too much emphaty in a man is a sign of weakness. My late grandmother had no problem picking up a chicken, putting it’s head on a stomp and cutting it’s head off with a small axe. Now imagine how tough the men must have been back then compared to men today.

I grew up on a farm.

Was taught how to slaughter chickens, deer and pigs before i was 8 years old.

The adults would go shoot duck/dove/quail and the kids had to clean them. I knew how to breast out a dove with a pocketknife when i was like 6-7 years old.

My grandma used to just grab chickens by the head and spin the shit out of them, snapping the neck.

People today are very soft.

[ProudVirgin69]

i feel best eating vegan diet but its too time consuming and impractical so I just do my best.  It ends up being about 1/2 my meals are vegan, the other half vegetarian, and I'll have meat 2-3x a week.  Usually when eating out or getting takeout.

I don't even make a conscious effort to eat this way, it just so happens that my favorite meals end up not containing meat.  Definitely not a bodybuilders diet but it works really well for me.

[Marty Champions]

I grew up on a farm.

Was taught how to slaughter chickens, deer and pigs before i was 8 years old.

The adults would go shoot duck/dove/quail and the kids had to clean them. I knew how to breast out a dove with a pocketknife when i was like 6-7 years old.

My grandma used to just grab chickens by the head and spin the shit out of them, snapping the neck.

People today are very soft.

and you might be a redneck too

[OAK]

In your definition most likely yes, in my own definition i am more like a vegetarian because i use and would use medicine and medical procedures, that would be impossible without animal testing.

+ it is almost impossible not to kill animals in one way or another. But as long as i can choose without hurting myself i will continue to find ways not to kill them. (or use them)

But your ok with killing plants? They're alive too.

 

[loco]

[Matt]

Beans
Tofu
Nuts

+ Potatos, Pasta, Rice
+ fresh vegetables

It is an easy inexpensive diet and you get all your protein.
You don't loose strength, muscle mass, or anything.

I mainly agree with the other posts on here. 

However...I am willing to give a vegan diet a try for a full month...or maybe a vegetarian diet, as I don't know how much I could tolerate protein shakes without 2% milk.

Again, the major component of a successful diet/lifestyle is ADHERENCE.

I found I simply couldn't adhere to trying to reduce meat. Put another way...I reduced meat by 40-60% for about five years [maybe more like three or so...I can't recall precisely when I was on that guilt trip], and I did NOT replace my protein.

In the end, I lost strength.

I am perfectly fine eating a vegan diet IF:

[1] It didn't impact my strength levels. In this batshit insane SJW Canada I live in, I simply MUST be stronger than average, for my mental well-being...my government continues to push more and more wokeness...and I won't tolerate it. SJW's are nuts, IMO, and I don't want to be pushed around by them like most are. I will ONLY try a diet if my strength levels aren't impacted - which they WERE when I previously attempted to reduce meat for a sustained period of time, by not finding a palatable alternative protein source.

[2] I can adhere to it - it must be suitable for my palate. This previously was not the case. This is sort of what my previous point was, as my strength reduction was caused by not adhering to a vegan diet. I tried low meat, and only got a reduced protein intake from it, which I did not replace with another source. Oh...and this:

Tofu

Lol, NO. Just no.

Tofu tastes like absolute shite to me. I don't know...it's just not for me. I honestly feel like this is exactly what will make me not adhere to the vegan diet. As I said, adherence is the major predictive factor in a successful diet. So, no Tofu.

But back to my earlier point/realization:

Why is it ok for a vegan who pollutes more than me, and who's fat from stuffing his face from food produced in factories, to cause the animal death count that his higher-carbon/pollution lifestyle causes?

I am a complete minimalist. I am CONFIDENT that the average vegan ultimately causes more animals to die than I do.

WHY is that ok? Or is it better to cause seven birds to die from flying over vegetable crops than it is to eat one cow in a year?

[BossBoss]

I mainly agree with the other posts on here. 

However...I am willing to give a vegan diet a try for a full month...

or maybe a vegetarian diet, as I don't know how much I could tolerate protein shakes without 2% milk.

A full month Whoah.
I think a full month is a bit too harsh right now.. maybe you start with half a day?
And maybe not a vegan diet, make it a vegetarian diet, maybe with a tiny little bit of meat?

A month is nothing dude..what do you think will happen in one month?
Do you think you die? loose all your gains?

You can eat Kidney-Beans with Rice for one month and you will get zero problems from that.
 

[pamith]

I never understand the whole ''guilt'' trip about eating meat, weren't animals meant to be eaten??

[kreator]

I grew up on a farm.

Was taught how to slaughter chickens, deer and pigs before i was 8 years old.

The adults would go shoot duck/dove/quail and the kids had to clean them. I knew how to breast out a dove with a pocketknife when i was like 6-7 years old.

My grandma used to just grab chickens by the head and spin the shit out of them, snapping the neck.

People today are very soft.

Nice, this is on of the ways to grow a pair

[kreator]

i like to watch ''Bobby's perspective'' channel on YT. The guy is an ex vegan and now eats mostly animal foods. He said he was having up to 8 shits a day and close to zero libido while on a raw vegan diet.

[ProudVirgin69]

Tofu tastes like absolute shite to me. I don't know...it's just not for me. I honestly feel like this is exactly what will make me not adhere to the vegan diet. As I said, adherence is the major predictive factor in a successful diet. So, no Tofu.

But back to my earlier point/realization:

Why is it ok for a vegan who pollutes more than me, and who's fat from stuffing his face from food produced in factories, to cause the animal death count that his higher-carbon/pollution lifestyle causes?

I am a complete minimalist. I am CONFIDENT that the average vegan ultimately causes more animals to die than I do.

WHY is that ok? Or is it better to cause seven birds to die from flying over vegetable crops than it is to eat one cow in a year?

Tofu is pretty bad when prepared in most methods but it is delicious when made in an air fryer.  Crispy & chewy.

Regarding your second point, it's about doing the best we all can.  It's great to hear that you have eschewed the trappings of consumerism and I have no doubt that you are responsible for less emissions and resource consumption than most others.  Eating less/no meat would reduce your 'footprint' even further.  If that's important to you, you may wish to consider it.

[YngiweRhoads]

Tofu is pretty bad when prepared in most methods but it is delicious when made in an air fryer.  Crispy & chewy.

Regarding your second point, it's about doing the best we all can.  It's great to hear that you have eschewed the trappings of consumerism and I have no doubt that you are responsible for less emissions and resource consumption than most others.  Eating less/no meat would reduce your 'footprint' even further.  If that's important to you, you may wish to consider it.

Agreed.

[loco]

[ProudVirgin69]

From the study they quote:

“There were nutrient inadequacies across all dietary patterns, including vegan, vegetarian, and meat-based diets.  As plant based diets are generally better for health and the environment, public health strategies should facilitate the transition to a balanced diet with more diverse nutrient-dense plant foods…”

[loco]

From the study they quote:

“There were nutrient inadequacies across all dietary patterns, including vegan, vegetarian, and meat-based diets.  As plant based diets are generally better for health and the environment, public health strategies should facilitate the transition to a balanced diet with more diverse nutrient-dense plant foods…”

Which is not a vegan diet.  Pushing vegan hurts children and low income people the most.

[ProudVirgin69]

Which is not a vegan diet.  Pushing vegan hurts children and low income people the most.

You posted the video/study, not me.  Just pointing out that the study’s authors seem to think plant-based diet is best for health.

[loco]

You posted the video/study, not me.  Just pointing out that the study’s authors seem to think plant-based diet is best for health.

Yes, children and low income people would be much better off eating a whole foods, pant-based diet that includes meat than eating a vegan diet.

From the study:

"Vegans had the lowest vitamin B12, calcium and iodine intake, and also lower iodine status and lower bone mineral density."

[Matt]

A full month Whoah.
I think a full month is a bit too harsh right now.. maybe you start with half a day?
And maybe not a vegan diet, make it a vegetarian diet, maybe with a tiny little bit of meat?

A month is nothing dude..what do you think will happen in one month?
Do you think you die? loose all your gains?

You can eat Kidney-Beans with Rice for one month and you will get zero problems from that.

The issue with any diet is ADHERENCE. Why would I stay on a diet for longer than a month that I'm struggling to adhere to, and that reduces my quality of life?

You almost definitely pollute more than I do [drive more, eat more calories], and ultimately kill more animals than I do, due to your lifestyle. Like all other left-wing ideas, veganism is yet another fail at ultimately accomplishing what it sets out to do. That being, to save animals.

Stop living in a house, and stop driving a car if you want to save animals, BossBoss. Your vegan diet probably results in 25% as many animals I eat, just from habitat loss alone. But all the fuel and other resources you use most likely exceeds mine, so who are you to talk?

I weigh 175-lb. I maintain a low body weight for many reasons, and part of that is to reduce my carbon output somewhat. But frankly, that's my personal and OPTIONAL choice, and I don't want these forced on me. Why should some 250-lb vegan tell me ANYTHING about reducing meat, when their lifestyle ultimately results in more animals dying than mine does?

The huge fallacy of veganism, and why I stopped caring about it, was that not eating animals is not the most efficient way to reduce the number of animals killed. And that is a TREMENDOUS slippery slope if we want to go down that road.

It's just a scam that will be fully realized once that snake in the grass Bill Gates buys up all American farmland and closes it off, to push his "Beyond Meat" garbage, comprised of low quality junk like pea protein, and that costs massively more than meat does, almost all of it will eventually be profit margin, like everything else Bill Gates does:

Sell nothing for high profit [software that requires only a CD, vaccines for viruses that healthy people have a 99.99% chance of surviving, and now this fake meat garbage - all the while monopolizing the industries he is doing business in].

Reduce the number of animals you kill, and come back to me. I am a complete minimalist, and have few qualms with my consumption, which is considerably below the WESTERN average, though no doubt well beyond the global average.

I'd be willing to try a vegan diet for ONE MONTH, to see if I could adhere to it. If I can't - then screw it.

My concern now is eating meat that is ethically slaughtered. Even that is not always easy to determine. But by buying beef from a local farmer, I can do that. However, the health standards are much higher for cows from Alberta, which are federally regulated, and can be tracked literally to the COW.

So it's a trade-off.

Ethical slaughtering is just one bad day on the farm.

And chicken is my primary meat source, and chickens are just dumb dinosaurs.

I have a problem eating pig, as pigs are smarter than dogs. I can't even recall the last time I ate pig - maybe February 24th, when I went for a meat pizza with my friend.

I'm not willing to lose strength if I can control it.

That's why I'm only willing to try it for a month. And I'm in no rush to do that, after the last disaster.

[GymnJuice]

I have a problem eating pig, as pigs are smarter than dogs. I can't even recall the last time I ate pig - maybe February 24th, when I went for a meat pizza with my friend.

Jewish dietary preferences noted.

[ProudVirgin69]

Yes, children and low income people would be much better off eating a whole foods, pant-based diet that includes meat than eating a vegan diet.

From the study:

"Vegans had the lowest vitamin B12, calcium and iodine intake, and also lower iodine status and lower bone mineral density."

They didn't say anything about including meat.  Here's the quote again for you:

As plant based diets are generally better for health and the environment, public health strategies should facilitate the transition to a balanced diet with more diverse nutrient-dense plant foods through consumer education, food fortification and possibly supplementation

Hope that helps.

[loco]

They didn't say anything about including meat.  Here's the quote again for you:

Hope that helps.

Are you confusing plant-based diet with vegan diet?  You think the definition of plant-based diet means eating 100% plant-based foods only and zero animal-based foods?

[ProudVirgin69]

Are you confusing plant-based diet with vegan diet?  You think the definition of plant-based diet means eating 100% plant-based foods only and zero animal-based foods?

No, it means exactly what it says: a diet based on plants. Not a diet based on plants and animals.

It doesn't exclude animal products but it doesnt necessarily include them either, as you suggest.

[loco]

No, it means exactly what it says: a diet based on plants. Not a diet based on plants and animals.

It doesn't exclude animal products but it doesnt necessarily include them either, as you suggest.

Eggxactly!

They are not recommending a vegan diet, especially after pointing out what they found:

"Vegans had the lowest vitamin B12, calcium and iodine intake, and also lower iodine status and lower bone mineral density."

[BossBoss]

The issue with any diet is ADHERENCE. Why would I stay on a diet for longer than a month that I'm struggling to adhere to, and that reduces my quality of life?

You almost definitely pollute more than I do [drive more, eat more calories], and ultimately kill more animals than I do, due to your lifestyle. Like all other left-wing ideas, veganism is yet another fail at ultimately accomplishing what it sets out to do. That being, to save animals.

Stop living in a house, and stop driving a car if you want to save animals, BossBoss. Your vegan diet probably results in 25% as many animals I eat, just from habitat loss alone. But all the fuel and other resources you use most likely exceeds mine, so who are you to talk?

I weigh 175-lb. I maintain a low body weight for many reasons, and part of that is to reduce my carbon output somewhat. But frankly, that's my personal and OPTIONAL choice, and I don't want these forced on me. Why should some 250-lb vegan tell me ANYTHING about reducing meat, when their lifestyle ultimately results in more animals dying than mine does?

The huge fallacy of veganism, and why I stopped caring about it, was that not eating animals is not the most efficient way to reduce the number of animals killed. And that is a TREMENDOUS slippery slope if we want to go down that road.

It's just a scam that will be fully realized once that snake in the grass Bill Gates buys up all American farmland and closes it off, to push his "Beyond Meat" garbage, comprised of low quality junk like pea protein, and that costs massively more than meat does, almost all of it will eventually be profit margin, like everything else Bill Gates does:

Sell nothing for high profit [software that requires only a CD, vaccines for viruses that healthy people have a 99.99% chance of surviving, and now this fake meat garbage - all the while monopolizing the industries he is doing business in].

Reduce the number of animals you kill, and come back to me. I am a complete minimalist, and have few qualms with my consumption, which is considerably below the WESTERN average, though no doubt well beyond the global average.

I'd be willing to try a vegan diet for ONE MONTH, to see if I could adhere to it. If I can't - then screw it.

My concern now is eating meat that is ethically slaughtered. Even that is not always easy to determine. But by buying beef from a local farmer, I can do that. However, the health standards are much higher for cows from Alberta, which are federally regulated, and can be tracked literally to the COW.

So it's a trade-off.

Ethical slaughtering is just one bad day on the farm.

And chicken is my primary meat source, and chickens are just dumb dinosaurs.

I have a problem eating pig, as pigs are smarter than dogs. I can't even recall the last time I ate pig - maybe February 24th, when I went for a meat pizza with my friend.

I'm not willing to lose strength if I can control it.

That's why I'm only willing to try it for a month. And I'm in no rush to do that, after the last disaster.

To be honest, I was thinking for 10 Years about going vegan and I was already a vegetarian for 17 Years, and my own plan was to do it for two weeks to test it. After two weeks I felt exactly the same and it was relatively easy so I did two more weeks and after that I just stayed on it.

+ I expected to lose muscle mass and I was cool with it, to my own surprise that never happened. Everything was the same I experienced no change in anything.

“..and that reduces my quality of life?” This was something I was thinking about because I loved cheese, sometimes I was eating up to 800gr. a day + 3 Liters Milk a day. +500gr lowfat curd a day. Sometimes more than that..and I definitely missed those things..

But the real hassle is not the diet the real problem with veganism are other people because other people are not ok with veganism, so people make fun of you constantly Family, Friends, people that I barely know, and they want a discussion about it (this happens on the regular, I discussed this topic atleast 50 times in depth).

+ They ask you why you do it and when you give them the reasons (I don’t want to kill animals) they get offended, angry, and call you a hypocrite because you drink Coca Cola. (I am not making this up). They say I am not better than them because Hitler was a vegetarian and he wasn’t a good person..

I am not doing it to say that I am a better person, I am doing it because I don’t want to kill, and that’s it. There is no second side to it. (i know that i still kill animals..)

(maybe i address the other arguments later because this post is already too long..)