HRT 200mg 1x weekly VS 100mg 2x weekly?

[Van_Bilderass]

I wish I could get Ovidrel, the recombinant HCG. At least you know it's real and not made from piss. I had one or two once. Not that it does much, blows up your nuts 

[LurkerNoMore]

Whatever you say.  It will still crash your E.

Yes it can and does.  While not disagreeing with you, you have to remember that most of the people in South FL that use these places are out of shape old farts or golf/tennis players who do not understand the mechanics behind it.  Which is why after being on it a year, they are constantly complaining about brittle hair, dry skin, and achy joints.

[ThisisOverload]

Shoot 100mg every 3 days and you will be good.

[irishdave]

Spoken like a true 3rd world potato sucking dog.  (That's reality, not theory).   With nothing else to add as supporting comments.

Ireland is a first world country and a much better place to live than in America Under democrats (sad to say)

[LurkerNoMore]

Ireland is a first world country and a much better place to live than in America Under democrats (sad to say)

Great.  Seeing how your potato hoarding ass won’t ever vote in American politics or be a citizen here you should be happy.    Which obviously you aren’t.   Nor would anyone else living in a country of vitamin D deficient drunks.

Hilarious that you think your input on our politics means anything. 

Again no substance to support your prior comment. No surprise.

[Bevo]

The sweet spot is always a gram of test first

[irishdave]

Great.  Seeing how your potato hoarding ass won’t ever vote in American politics or be a citizen here you should be happy.    Which obviously you aren’t.   Nor would anyone else living in a country of vitamin D deficient drunks.

Hilarious that you think your input on our politics means anything. 

Again no substance to support your prior comment. No surprise.

The truth about those esters is quite the opposite if you have the awareness necessary . If you are “aware” you can feel them within days or even the same day. But I’ve exceptional genetics and you’re likely low test with bad structure dog shit. (Only pussies could pick Biden above trump)

Also, I have been to America many times and will be again. Do not count on me not getting a visa or green card because i have had them before and I plan on getting there again to start a business and maybe buy a place in Florida where I have some family…when the Covid dust settles because I have no jabs and won’t be getting any either.

I was even locked up for felony charges in Texas and got a visa again 2 years later No problem 😉

I find it amusing how you think I’m some stupid inbred leprechaun just because I’m Irish. You realise Biden is Irish? Do you realise how much success the Irish have had worldwide for a tiny nation of potato munchers? I learned a long time ago never to underestimate anybody…

[LurkerNoMore]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA  you can "feel" them.  HAHAHAHAHA

This is some Division quality material right here.

Still nothing to back up your claims except what you say.  Which in light of the above....  isn't shit.   Oh.... no wonder you are a Trumpturd with baseless claims and no evidence behind it.

Good to hear you want to move to America.  Everyone should have a higher goal to aspire to.  In the meantime, enjoy that 3rd rate country whose biggest advantage is when someone mistakens it for part of the UK.

[robcguns]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA  you can "feel" them.  HAHAHAHAHA

This is some Division quality material right here.

Still nothing to back up your claims except what you say.  Which in light of the above....  isn't shit.   Oh.... no wonder you are a Trumpturd with baseless claims and no evidence behind it.

Good to hear you want to move to America.  Everyone should have a higher goal to aspire to.  In the meantime, enjoy that 3rd rate country whose biggest advantage is when someone mistakens it for part of the UK.

I’d have to agree with Dave I’d rather be in Ireland than this shit country the democrats have turned it into. Democrats fucking suck.

[irishdave]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA  you can "feel" them.  HAHAHAHAHA

This is some Division quality material right here.

Still nothing to back up your claims except what you say.  Which in light of the above....  isn't shit.   Oh.... no wonder you are a Trumpturd with baseless claims and no evidence behind it.

Good to hear you want to move to America.  Everyone should have a higher goal to aspire to.  In the meantime, enjoy that 3rd rate country whose biggest advantage is when someone mistakens it for part of the UK.

It’s a out and out myth that these esters take two weeks to kick in

You’re like a child.

[LurkerNoMore]

It’s a out and out myth that these esters take two weeks to kick in

You’re like a child.

#1   No one said anything about it taking two weeks to kick in
#2  You have provided ZERO evidence or factual data to support your statements.  No surprise.  Just like a true Trumpturd.

Wait.... can I even call you a Trumpturd?  You can't even vote for him.  Damn.... that must keep you awake at night.

[irishdave]

#1   No one said anything about it taking two weeks to kick in
#2  You have provided ZERO evidence or factual data to support your statements.  No surprise.  Just like a true Trumpturd.

Wait.... can I even call you a Trumpturd?  You can't even vote for him.  Damn.... that must keep you awake at night.

I do not need to waste my time doing that. I’m not debating it with you, I personally know microdosing or daily jabbing of long esters is definitely the way to go to keep your hormone levels and blood sugar steady thus reducing side effects.
If I wanted to I could probably find a related study or some guy who had his T levels checked every few days in an experiment but I couldn’t be bothered to do it for someone like you…you’re worthless

[OlympiaGym]

What is the purpose of the HCG? You don’t need it.

[LurkerNoMore]

I do not need to waste my time doing that. I’m not debating it with you, I personally know microdosing or daily jabbing of long esters is definitely the way to go to keep your hormone levels and blood sugar steady thus reducing side effects.
If I wanted to I could probably find a related study or some guy who had his T levels checked every few days in an experiment but I couldn’t be bothered to do it for someone like you…you’re worthless

This has absolute NOTHING to do with your claim that cyp is not a long ester.   

So you got no proof of your claim and instead want to move the goal posts and talk about kick in times, multiple sticks, etc...  The only thing worthless (other than a drunk dopehead felon posting in the middle of the night) in this debate is your bullshit excuses and deflection attempts.   Why I am not surprised you are a little Trumpturd?   Tell it to your potato collection but no one believes your bullshit here. 

[LurkerNoMore]

What is the purpose of the HCG? You don’t need it.

No, but some people don't want their testicles to shrink so it keeps the FSH stimulated and helps with that. 

[LurkerNoMore]

I’d have to agree with Dave I’d rather be in Ireland than this shit country the democrats have turned it into. Democrats fucking suck.

If you feel that way then leave.  What's stopping you?  Hell, it's easier to move to Ireland than here so you won't have much of an issue there. 

[bhank]

And comparing lifetime drug free to TRT like they’re equal.

Everything is equal no one gets a cookie for what they do or don't take

[Van_Bilderass]

This has absolute NOTHING to do with your claim that cyp is not a long ester.   

Depends on what you mean by long ester. I've seen textbook references of a 2-3 day half-life with a 10-12 hour Cmax (peak levels).

As you can see, by day 7 you are almost at baseline.

[SouJerz]

Your E2 might be a little lower injecting 2x a week

Are you pinning sub q or im?

IM

Could I pin belly fat with a 25 gauge?

[LurkerNoMore]

Depends on what you mean by long ester. I've seen textbook references of a 2-3 day half-life with a 10-12 hour Cmax (peak levels).

As you can see, by day 7 you are almost at baseline.

Yes which is why it is RXd weekly.  If you wanted to do multiple stabs you could get better results EOD but from a medical standpoint of being prescribed for TRT then weekly is considered the standard.  Plus unlike the BBing crowd, regular folks are not keen to take multiple injections each week.

[Gym-Rat]

Quote from: TheShape. on April 12, 2022, 08:58:31 AM
And comparing lifetime drug free to TRT like they’re equal.
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Everything is equal no one gets a cookie for what they do or don't take

Yup, and for lifetime natties who get old and start on TRT, it is equal, it brings you back to mid to high normal.
Real TRT is not a cycle, or stack, etc. It will not build you tons of muscle at all. (If kept in range).

I was natty for 38 years of my lifting (age 12 to 50) and just never had access to gear or maybe I would have tried it (who knows), I was never "anti-gear" like so many proud-natties out there. (They are more sickening than juicers with their nonsense).  Sort of like Vegans.
I was busy with other things that were bad for me, so never really had the urge to search for gear, I just loved the training.
Once you get old, start feeling like crap, this stuff can help. Its not magic, it wont get you jacked, again Im talking real TRT dose (100-125 mg).

And how the f**k did this thread turn into a political battle, LOL. Gotta love this place... 

[Van_Bilderass]

Yes which is why it is RXd weekly.  If you wanted to do multiple stabs you could get better results EOD but from a medical standpoint of being prescribed for TRT then weekly is considered the standard.  Plus unlike the BBing crowd, regular folks are not keen to take multiple injections each week.

Twice a month used to be the standard I believe and from what I read there are still lots of old school docs doing it that way. The injection procedure is considered such a bitch that in many countries you can now only get the 12 week Nebido shot.

Levrone talked about getting the implant. Was he really that sick of the shots?

[wes]

Everything is equal no one gets a cookie for what they do or don't take

Saying this repeatedly doesn`t justify the gear use that you do but claim not to do.

Have a cookie or two....you`re losing size rapidly.

[OlympiaGym]

No, but some people don't want their testicles to shrink so it keeps the FSH stimulated and helps with that.

Been on so long don’t remember their original size and no one has complained. Who gives AF about nut size …

[Rambone]

What is the purpose of the HCG? You don’t need it.

Either cosmetically to maintain ball fullness or to preserve some sort of fertility while on test

No, but some people don't want their testicles to shrink so it keeps the FSH stimulated and helps with that.

Not for me. My FSH remained undetectable at 500iu/2-3 times a week while on a standard dose of test for 2.5 years. Sperm count was very good and balls were full although I was technically shutdown. It’s an LH mimicker but can also keep you shut down even when not using testosterone. It did for me while on HCG only for a year after quitting TRT (terrible fertility protocol thanks to a urologist). Later on, I found tons of studies that show the negative effects of an HCG only protocol regarding a complete fertility protocol. Clomid is a much more effective treatment to bring your FSH back which it did in a couple months for me after the HCG only disaster.  Or you can stay on TRT and add in injectable FSH although that can get pricey.