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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2023, 04:23:07 AM »
There will always be plenty of drugs available for whoever wants then simple supply and demand nothing has changed we used to blame China for Opium then we invaded when they banned it to keep the trade going nothing has changed

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2023, 04:42:11 AM »
There will always be plenty of drugs available for whoever wants then simple supply and demand nothing has changed we used to blame China for Opium then we invaded when they banned it to keep the trade going nothing has changed

Truth.

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2023, 04:44:49 AM »
Fentanyl? Really? We use morphine or hydromorphone here.

Why Fentanyl? Do you suppose that's because it's cheaper?

Fentanyl is the opioid of choice in most medical situations as it doesn’t stimulate histamine release in the way that morphine does.  Histamine is a potent vasodilator, and as such will drop one’s blood pressure.  For patients who are undergoing surgery or are otherwise critically ill, their body may not be able to compensate for the vasodilation and their blood pressure may drop to unsafe levels. Fentanyl doesn’t have this issue.

Additionally, some of the metabolites of morphine are toxic and can accumulate in individuals with reduced renal capacity.  Fentanyl does not have this issue either.

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2023, 04:47:53 AM »
There will always be plenty of drugs available for whoever wants then simple supply and demand nothing has changed we used to blame China for Opium then we invaded when they banned it to keep the trade going nothing has changed

Good point.  The opioid crisis was blamed on doctors overprescribing narcotics.  Well, opioid prescriptions are down by over HALF from a decade ago, and yet overdoses increase year after year.

People are turning to drugs because their material conditions are worsening.  They have less money to spend and their money doesn’t go as far as it used to.  It’s far easier to blame this crisis on physicians or drug smugglers, so that’s why they push that angle.

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2023, 05:52:01 AM »
There will always be plenty of drugs available for whoever wants then simple supply and demand nothing has changed we used to blame China for Opium then we invaded when they banned it to keep the trade going nothing has changed

Absolutely agree - and there are unintended consequences to pushing things further underground.  In the UK we've had large increases in deaths due to whatever the fuck synthetic cannabis is - junkies, prisoners and homeless people smoking things called Spice and Mamba, then shuffling into darkness

And it can only be a matter of time before this mixing of fentanyl with pill and coke, etc. will reach over here and start dropping party-goers and the middle-classes - then we might hear some noise about it
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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2023, 06:05:29 AM »
Fentanyl abuse is still nothing compared to alcohol abuse but no one talks about that as a crisis

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2023, 06:07:19 AM »
Fentanyl abuse is still nothing compared to alcohol abuse but no one talks about that as a crisis

Ego-driven Stoooopid is a crisis but even though we talk about it, you don't do shit about yours.

FYYFF

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2023, 06:09:32 AM »
Ego-driven Stoooopid is a crisis but even though we talk about it, you don't do shit about yours.

FYYFF

There are more annual deaths from alcohol than every other illicit drug combined

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2023, 06:15:24 AM »
There are more annual deaths from alcohol than every other illicit drug combined

Is it "bio-identical" alcohol?  I do not drink alcoholic beverages nor do I take illegal drugs, "bio-identical" or not. It is difficult to write that term as it makes me laugh. 

You are such a buffoon.  One can hope you grow up but no, you will just grow stranger. 

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2023, 06:22:44 AM »
Fentanyl abuse is still nothing compared to alcohol abuse but no one talks about that as a crisis

QFT.  Turns out the “health benefits” of moderate drinking were likely overstated and may not even exist at all.

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2023, 06:35:53 AM »
Is it a problem or a solution? Seems to be wiping out the junkies which is lovely

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2023, 07:12:18 AM »
Someone explain why fentanyl is in coke? I don't want a guess, I'd like for someone who knows explain it to me.

Someone even claimed it was in weed lol.

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2023, 07:14:31 AM »
It is in coke because people want it in coke they ask the dealers for it it is not in weed lol

Again alcohol and tobacco are the bigger health risk killing more people and costing more health care to the nation but not as cool sounding in the headlines

Historical addiction rates haven’t changed in hundreds of years

We used to give children alcohol for breakfast for fuck sake they have records of the historical alcohol consumption and it is astronomical

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2023, 07:23:54 AM »
Good point.  The opioid crisis was blamed on doctors overprescribing narcotics.  Well, opioid prescriptions are down by over HALF from a decade ago, and yet overdoses increase year after year.

People are turning to drugs because their material conditions are worsening.  They have less money to spend and their money doesn’t go as far as it used to.  It’s far easier to blame this crisis on physicians or drug smugglers, so that’s why they push that angle.

Some truth here. As someone who is at the point of contact with these overdoses, my observations are as follows.

Druggies will get high no matter what. There is no real increase in the numbers of these people. When they had access to pills, ODs were rare. They knew the strength of what they were taking and the highs were repeatable and predictable.

Take away the pills, and the once dwindling heroin trade blossoms. Heroin dealers are the ones that love fentanyl. It costs much less than pure heroin and makes a fantastic cutting agent to increase profit. The problem is there is no control of potency. So each mix is different. Now when said addict picks up his latest score, he has no idea what the strength of the product is until he shoots up. So a 1/4ml did him right last week, this week it is deadly.

Take away the heroin they will find something else. Period. It cannot be stopped. They will be back to huffing gold and silver spray paint if nothing else is available.

There is nothing inherently wrong with medical fentanyl. Now people with true pain to treat such as cancer and real debilitating orthopedic issues can not get the treatment they need. Recently Senators Manchin and some R I cannot recall wrote an article which claimed “opioid prescribing is up 4 times since 2009”. Total opposite is true. Blatant lies or completely stupidity by our leaders. No one called their bullshit and Fox News published the article. This is like 80s Soviet propaganda.

The “fix” is worse than the original problem. Such is government response.

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2023, 07:51:05 AM »
Instead of trying to stop Fentanyl, they should just make it stronger.  Like 10X stronger.  Hitting the supply side isn't going to make a difference.  Hit the side that is creating a demand and see how fast it drops.  People will die.  I don't give a fuck.  When people get to a point where it sets in their mind that they have a 80% chance of dying on the spot from ingesting something that may (or may not - take a chance and find out) be mixed with super doses of fentanyl, they will either accept their deaths or they will go seek treatment for their addictions.   Addiction centers now are full of people that don't want to be there.  They are there because of family/legal reasons.  Free space up for people that choose to live over playing roulette with each dose of drugs they take.  Columbia and China can send all the drugs they want, but it don't mean shit if people are scared to buy them.

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2023, 07:54:53 AM »
Instead of trying to stop Fentanyl, they should just make it stronger.  Like 10X stronger.  Hitting the supply side isn't going to make a difference.  Hit the side that is creating a demand and see how fast it drops.  People will die.  I don't give a fuck.  When people get to a point where it sets in their mind that they have a 80% chance of dying on the spot from ingesting something that may (or may not - take a chance and find out) be mixed with super doses of fentanyl, they will either accept their deaths or they will go seek treatment for their addictions.   Addiction centers now are full of people that don't want to be there.  They are there because of family/legal reasons.  Free space up for people that choose to live over playing roulette with each dose of drugs they take.  Columbia and China can send all the drugs they want, but it don't mean shit if people are scared to buy them.
Translation:  Democrats vote even when dead, so no real loss to your Pedo-Party.

You fucking Pedo-Pal.  You support the mutilation of our children, physically, mentally and spiritually.  FYYFF.

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2023, 07:59:38 AM »
Someone explain why fentanyl is in coke? I don't want a guess, I'd like for someone who knows explain it to me.

Someone even claimed it was in weed lol.

Fentanyl is cheap compared to other drugs. And a minute quantity will get you high as a kite.

Dealers cut their product with Fentanyl to make the most of their supply.

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2023, 08:00:03 AM »
Instead of trying to stop Fentanyl, they should just make it stronger.  Like 10X stronger.  Hitting the supply side isn't going to make a difference.  Hit the side that is creating a demand and see how fast it drops.  People will die.  I don't give a fuck.  When people get to a point where it sets in their mind that they have a 80% chance of dying on the spot from ingesting something that may (or may not - take a chance and find out) be mixed with super doses of fentanyl, they will either accept their deaths or they will go seek treatment for their addictions.   Addiction centers now are full of people that don't want to be there.  They are there because of family/legal reasons.  Free space up for people that choose to live over playing roulette with each dose of drugs they take.  Columbia and China can send all the drugs they want, but it don't mean shit if people are scared to buy them.

I like this idea.

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2023, 08:00:16 AM »
Translation:  Democrats vote even when dead, so no real loss to your Pedo-Party.

You fucking Pedo-Pal.  You support the mutilation of our children, physically, mentally and spiritually.  FYYFF.

Awww... diabetic cripple just can't stop melting down every single day that he wakes up and can't participate in life like everyone else.

I would tell you to FOAD but you can't even do that right.  Plus, I really wouldn't want it.  I prefer you to struggle every single day with basic chores and crushing depression.  Because you are special like that.  God says so.

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2023, 08:00:46 AM »
Translation:  Democrats vote even when dead, so no real loss to your Pedo-Party.

You fucking Pedo-Pal.  You support the mutilation of our children, physically, mentally and spiritually.  FYYFF.

Hahaha, democrats vote even when dead. That’s good shit.

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2023, 08:02:16 AM »
Awww... diabetic cripple just can't stop melting down every single day that he wakes up and can't participate in life like everyone else.

I would tell you to FOAD but you can't even do that right.  Plus, I really wouldn't want it.  I prefer you to struggle every single day with basic chores and crushing depression.  Because you are special like that.  God says so.

Pedophile and child mutilatition supporter.  FYFF.  You deserve Hell you filthy fuquewad.  You support the mutilation and sexploitation of the innocent you scumbag Democrat.

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #46 on: April 07, 2023, 08:03:44 AM »
I like this idea.

It's rather simple.  Dope heads drop dead.  No big loss.  What are they contributing anyway to society?  Crime?  Draining resources from the states?  Remember how fast people stopped buying Tylenol many years ago when someone was putting cyandie in it?  Same thing here.  (sort of).  If you want to use drugs bad enough to die for them, then you should be able to.  And then die. 

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #47 on: April 07, 2023, 08:05:13 AM »
Pedophile and child mutilatition support.  FYFF.  You deserve Hell you filthy fuquewad.  You support the mutilation and sexploitation of the innocent you scumbag Democrat.

Your self loathing and frustration is showing again.  And it's only 11am.  Lonnngggg time to go before you are given your evening Metamucil and tucked into bed at 8PM.   Pace yourself.  Make sure to take breaks at times.  Someone else at the assisted living home may want to use the community PC.

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2023, 08:06:59 AM »
Lace it with rat poison

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Re: Fentanyl Problem
« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2023, 08:15:23 AM »
Lace it with rat poison

Growing up, there was a lady in our county that mixed rat poison and lemonade to kill herself with.  Our neighbor was a sheriff deputy and he was the one to be called to the seen first.  He said that from appearances it seemed to have been an extremely painful way to go.  Not a pleasant way like ODing on sleeping pills or something.  But violently painful.  She had painted most of the small house with vomit and left a mess of broken crap behind from her writhing and convulsions.