Quick video of ‘93 Dorian VS ‘01 Jay

[Matt]

dorians legs lose to cutler

dorians back beats cutler


cutlers shoulders and arms (suspect)beat dorians visualy


side chest cutler easily

abs and thigh  both looked bad

fron lat   cutler

Good assessment.

It almost seems blasphemous to say Dorian was better than Jay, but if you just make a straight comparison, I think Jay beats him in those areas.

Dorian did have a 3D quality, in that he was a lot thicker than most bodybuilders from front to back. I think that's what people mean when they say "You had to be there". But in individual poses, Jay looks better in some.

Too bad about Jay putting things in his arms. Nasser said synthol is as commonly used among pro bodybuilders as toilet paper...so who knows...maybe they all used it [not Dorian - but I don't think it was around then].

[Grape Ape]

Cutler was like 5'7 in person.

93 Dorian waxes him.

[Matt]

Cutler was like 5'7 in person.

93 Dorian waxes him.

He claimed 5'8.5". Dorian claimed 5'10.5".

From my experience meeting pros, some lie about their weight [Dexter comes to mind], but I feel they are honest about their heights.

Jay appeared to be 5'8" or 5'9" to me. He doesn't look too much shorter than Ronnie, who was just under 5'11" at his prime.

Dorian's muscle density was something ahead of almost anyone - up there with Rich Gaspari and others. I don't think it's something you can train for, judging by Jay Cutler never getting to that level of hardness.

[Grape Ape]

He claimed 5'8.5". Dorian claimed 5'10.5".

From my experience meeting pros, some lie about their weight [Dexter comes to mind], but I feel they are honest about their heights.

Jay appeared to be 5'8" or 5'9" to me. He doesn't look too much shorter than Ronnie, who was just under 5'11" at his prime.

Dorian's muscle density was something ahead of almost anyone - up there with Rich Gaspari and others. I don't think it's something you can train for, judging by Jay Cutler never getting to that level of hardness.

I walked right into him accidently in a bathroom in Boston called Avenue C before he turned pro.  He was wider than he was tall.  Looked awful in a leather coat.

Regardless, 93 Dorian was likely unbeatable.  Nobody came close, which is why he had like one call out.  And that was against top competition.

[obsidian]

dorians legs were not on the level of cutler coleman or even mustaffa muhamed


showing black and white photod of deep cuts? gtfo

this is the only " sport" to have to go backward to progres

classic physique

id say bumstead beats dorian

how the fuck do you like that

One could argue Bumstead's physique is more aesthetic but Dorian's is a lot more impressive.

Dorian had better taper than Cutler. I liked Jay's physique and thought he improved tremendously in 2001. But he was more blocky than Dorian.



Dorian owns Jay in a few poses. Side tricep, front lat spread, ab and thigh. I would give Jay the front double bicep pose.

[wes]

Cutler looks like a fucking marshmallow next to Yates.

[galain]

Really interesting to see how much the physiques changed in such a short period of time.

Jay looked really good there - surprisingly so next to Dorian who is often thought to be one of the best ever.

[joswift]

Cutler looks like a fucking marshmallow next to Yates.

this


Its not just a different year it looks like a different fucking sport

Cutler looks like a fucking water bed next to Dorian

[Royalty]

2001... I’m not really seeing the validity of the “water bed” comment

[AbrahamG]

2001... I’m not really seeing the validity of the “water bed” comment

Jay never came close to looking that good again. 

Dorian wins the quarter turns.
Abs/thighs
FLS
Side Tri's
RLS

If were talking 93 Yates, he wins all the mandatories.

[honest]

Seen both guys at their very best, was at the 2001 show, lighting is advantageous to Jay as a comparison, and that was jays best ever condition, but its not even close, Yates 93 was another level, it was like his skin from head to toe was cling wrap, you could see his definition in the dark, Jay had similar great condition front quads but backstage and away from the stage lighting, Dorian in the same light at his 93 best would have made Jay look smooth.

[Royalty]

Jay never came close to looking that good again. 

Dorian wins the quarter turns.
Abs/thighs
FLS
Side Tri's
RLS

If were talking 93 Yates, he wins all the mandatories.

Unfortunately for Jay, after 2001, he was forced into playing the size game to compete with Ronnie.


This shot of Dorian is bananas. It’s probably his least impressive pose, and he still dominated

[ProudVirgin69]

I think that Dorian was 256-257 in 1993. Jay was around 259 in 2001. Close call. Jay looked drier.

Jay was a couple inches shorter too, 5'8" vs 5'10-11"

[Grape Ape]

Jay was a couple inches shorter too, 5'8" vs 5'10-11"

5'7" tops

[Royalty]

I think that we can all agree that both ‘93 Dorian and ‘01 Jay shocked people with their physique improvements. You can’t ask for more than that.

[CT_Muscle]

He claimed 5'8.5". Dorian claimed 5'10.5".

From my experience meeting pros, some lie about their weight [Dexter comes to mind], but I feel they are honest about their heights.

Jay appeared to be 5'8" or 5'9" to me. He doesn't look too much shorter than Ronnie, who was just under 5'11" at his prime.

Dorian's muscle density was something ahead of almost anyone - up there with Rich Gaspari and others. I don't think it's something you can train for, judging by Jay Cutler never getting to that level of hardness.

I've stood within a foot of all 3 of them at one time or another at the Night of Champions or NY Pro show. I am 5'10, Ronnie had a good inch on me and Dorian seemed to as well. Jay 5'8 MAX probably 5'7 1/2

[Grape Ape]

Jay 5'8 MAX probably 5'7 1/2

Exactly.

[Grape Ape]

I think that we can all agree that both ‘93 Dorian and ‘01 Jay shocked people with their physique improvements. You can’t ask for more than that.

True.

Can also agree 93 Dorian would beat him easily.

[Royalty]

True.

Can also agree 93 Dorian would beat him easily.

Yeah I think that Dorian would’ve won


Jay’s back didn’t have enough thickness in 2001

[Earl1972]

01 jay is probably the best competitive body on the olympia stage to not win the title, definitely his best look he was never that hard again

but i don't see how he would beat 93 dorian, he wins front double bicep and that's it, maybe side chest and abs and thighs as jay that year had the most diced quads and abs i've ever seen on a guy that big

dorian easily wins the two back poses, front lat spread, and side tricep

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[AbrahamG]

01 jay is probably the best competitive body on the olympia stage to not win the title, definitely his best look he was never that hard again

but i don't see how he would beat 93 dorian, he wins front double bicep and that's it, maybe side chest and abs and thighs as jay that year had the most diced quads and abs i've ever seen on a guy that big

dorian easily wins the two back poses, front lat spread, and side tricep

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93 Dorian had no torn muscles yet.  93 Dorian wins every pose against any version of Jay. 

[joswift]

93 Dorian had no torn muscles yet.  93 Dorian wins every pose against any version of Jay.

[Titus Pullo]

Doz always overdieted, with perhaps the exception of the '97 Olympia.  Even then, he says the insulin was what fucked him up.

Edit: I forgot '94.  He had a bloated stomach in that show, but he was still shredded after being sick for over a week.  That, and his tan and weird, overly oiled sheen hurt his overall look.

[AbrahamG]

I don't see a glaringly obvious tear there.  His biceps still look big and full. 

[Skeletor]

Epic lean face on Dorian.