Chicago Police Dept

[Coach is Back!]

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[deadz]

Let the Blue States burn.

[20inch calves]

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I would to if I were treated worse than the criminals I was sworn to lock up.

[Gym-Rat]

Demturd cities are the most vile and corrupt and loaded with violent crime... C-ya!

[Coach is Back!]

I would to if I were treated worse than the criminals I was sworn to lock up.

I'm at the age where most of my cop friends have retired before most of this started happening. One of my instructors is a swat commander getting ready to retire, they all agree that with these "Woke" Mayors and DA's the criminals have the advantage especially with these "gun control" laws they're trying to put through

[beakdoctor]

I'm at the age where most of my cop friends have retired before most of this started happening. One of my instructors is a swat commander getting ready to retire, they all agree that with these "Woke" Mayors and DA's the criminals have the advantage especially with these "gun control" laws they're trying to put through

Its more than the fear of gun control laws. Gun control laws are pointless. But the real issue is everyone whether it be a DA, Councilman, City  Comissioner, journalist or judge: its easy to make a name for yourself right now by taking advantage of the current anti-police sentiment and make an example of a cop.

Thanks to the DOJ as well as other orgs. cops have so many restrictions in place as it relates to their ability to assert authority. Most agencies now have an open door complaint policy, any use of force is investigated by internal affairs. Many have no pursuit policies. The scrutiny is absurd and the liability isn't worth the paycheck.

A piece of shit theif, robber, drug dealer, pimp can run from the pokice, fight with the police then file a false complaint against the arresting officers or even sue the arresting officers.  The DA wont charge crimes like fleeing or resisting, will almost certainly drop or reduce the underlying charges meanwhile the officers own agency will spend months investigating an obviously fabricated complaint and never sanction the shithead for making a false statement...

Its so fashionable now to get publicity by bashing the cops. You have places like Chicago or Detroit where gun violence claims someone esch and everyday- but some asshole deliberately provokes an officer into losing his temper and records it. Suddenly its national news.

[AbrahamG]

Its more than the fear of gun control laws. Gun control laws are pointless. But the real issue is everyone whether it be a DA, Councilman, City  Comissioner, journalist or judge: its easy to make a name for yourself right now by taking advantage of the current anti-police sentiment and make an example of a cop.

Thanks to the DOJ as well as other orgs. cops have so many restrictions in place as it relates to their ability to assert authority. Most agencies now have an open door complaint policy, any use of force is investigated by internal affairs. Many have no pursuit policies. The scrutiny is absurd and the liability isn't worth the paycheck.

A piece of shit theif, robber, drug dealer, pimp can run from the pokice, fight with the police then file a false complaint against the arresting officers or even sue the arresting officers.  The DA wont charge crimes like fleeing or resisting, will almost certainly drop or reduce the underlying charges meanwhile the officers own agency will spend months investigating an obviously fabricated complaint and never sanction the shithead for making a false statement...

Its so fashionable now to get publicity by bashing the cops. You have places like Chicago or Detroit where gun violence claims someone esch and everyday- but some asshole deliberately provokes an officer into losing his temper and records it. Suddenly its national news.

I live here.  Care to provide some examples?

[Coach is Back!]

I live here.  Care to provide some examples?

Who is your DA?

[AbrahamG]

Who is your DA?

Kym Worthy.

[beakdoctor]

I live here.  Care to provide some examples?

Some examples of gun violence everyday? Pick up a news paper. I lived in Detroit for 36 years. Detroit proper. I lived in sw detroit in Del Ray also on Livernois down the street from the original Kronk gym. I lived in North west Detroit off of Braile, lived in North Esst Detroit off of Harper and Berkshire and lived downtown for a few years too.

Are you doubting that there's gun violence in Detroit every single day?

Also Kym Worthy is a perfect example of what im talking about.  She made her entire career based on convicting two cops over Malice Greens death. Perfect example of weak on crime unless the defendant is a cop.

[Gym-Rat]

https://detroitmi.gov/sites/detroitmi.localhost/files/2022-03/Gun%20Violence%20Task%20Force%20reso.pdf

https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Detroit-Michigan.html
The 2019 crime rate in Detroit, MI is 834 (City-Data.com crime index), which is 3.1 times higher than the U.S. average. It was higher than in 99.2% U.S. cities.

I dont live there, but it seems like its rather violent.

[AbrahamG]

Some examples of gun violence everyday? Pick up a news paper. I lived in Detroit for 36 years. Detroit proper. I lived in sw detroit in Del Ray also on Livernois down the street from the original Kronk gym. I lived in North west Detroit off of Braile, lived in North Esst Detroit off of Harper and Berkshire and lived downtown for a few years too.

Are you doubting that there's gun violence in Detroit every single day?

Also Kym Worthy is a perfect example of what im talking about.  She made her entire career based on convicting two cops over Malice Greens death. Perfect example of weak on crime unless the defendant is a cop.

Wasn't denying gun violence in Detroit or any other city for that matter. Was speaking to Detroit in terms of there being next to no issues between police and citizens. Since Malice Green we've largely avoided the scandals that other cities have not. And no, it wasn't ok to bludgeon a man to death with flashlights because he was holding.

[Sissysquats]

Let the Blue States burn.

  Let the blue cities burn. Outside the blue cities you usually find red suburbanites and country folk. Those are the folks that actually work

[beakdoctor]

Wasn't denying gun violence in Detroit or any other city for that matter. Was speaking to Detroit in terms of there being next to no issues between police and citizens. Since Malice Green we've largely avoided the scandals that other cities have not. And no, it wasn't ok to bludgeon a man to death with flashlights because he was holding.

Of course thats your take. You're minimizing Malice Greens actions.. You just proved my point. The prevailing attitude, like yours, is why cops are quitting.

Malicehad just picked up a sack of rocks. He had already been getting high on crack for days on end. When he was stopped by Budzyn and Nevers he panicked. They tried searching him but of course he held on to his dope with a death grip. So a fight ensued and during the fight he tried to pull one of their guns out of the holster and the other cop hit him in the head with his flashlight.

He actually died of a heart attack due to the extreme physical exertion of fighting 2 200lb men for ten minutes and the massive ammount of coke in his system.

Worthy uses the one autopsy that blamed his death on the head injury even though other autopsies correctly ruled heart attack as czuse of death.

It was a sham trial. The mayor and the chief of police went on tv that night and called the cops murderers. They wanted to avoid what happened in LA with rodney king. Fearing the mob mentality the Mayor and Worthy crucified those cops.

People like you hear this story and root for the crack addict and immediately call the cops liars. Believe whatever you want you would rather believe the drug addicts and drug dealers that have destroyed Detroits neighborhoods then even entertain the cops story even for a minute. Let me guess their motive was blind racism? They were cops for nearly 30 years apiece but on this day they succumbed to blind racism and threw their careers and freedom away in order to "bludgeon" a man to death?. It had nothi g to do with Green fifhting them or going for the cops gun during the struggle, or being high as a kite and trying to escape arrest? Thats all bullshit right? Facts don't matter.

[AbrahamG]

Of course thats your take. You're minimizing Malice Greens actions.. You just proved my point. The prevailing attitude, like yours, is why cops are quitting.

Malicehad just picked up a sack of rocks. He had already been getting high on crack for days on end. When he was stopped by Budzyn and Nevers he panicked. They tried searching him but of course he held on to his dope with a death grip. So a fight ensued and during the fight he tried to pull one of their guns out of the holster and the other cop hit him in the head with his flashlight.

He actually died of a heart attack due to the extreme physical exertion of fighting 2 200lb men for ten minutes and the massive ammount of coke in his system.

Worthy uses the one autopsy that blamed his death on the head injury even though other autopsies correctly ruled heart attack as czuse of death.

It was a sham trial. The mayor and the chief of police went on tv that night and called the cops murderers. They wanted to avoid what happened in LA with rodney king. Fearing the mob mentality the Mayor and Worthy crucified those cops.

People like you hear this story and root for the crack addict and immediately call the cops liars. Believe whatever you want you would rather believe the drug addicts and drug dealers that have destroyed Detroits neighborhoods then even entertain the cops story even for a minute. Let me guess their motive was blind racism? They were cops for nearly 30 years apiece but on this day they succumbed to blind racism and threw their careers and freedom away in order to "bludgeon" a man to death?. It had nothi g to do with Green fifhting them or going for the cops gun during the struggle, or being high as a kite and trying to escape arrest? Thats all bullshit right? Facts don't matter.

It's obvious that you live in a world of your own facts. Those two cops were notorious scumbags. They were either too old, incompetent or both. Throw in a healthy dose of racism and voila.

[Humble Narcissist]

It's obvious that you live in a world of your own facts. Those two cops were notorious scumbags. They were either too old, incompetent or both. Throw in a healthy dose of racism and voila.

How can cops in Detroit not be racist?

[beakdoctor]

It's obvious that you live in a world of your own facts. Those two cops were notorious scumbags. They were either too old, incompetent or both. Throw in a healthy dose of racism and voila.

And there you have it.
Did you know either one of them?

Notorious scumbags? Far from it. Both of them were among the highest decorated police officers in the history of the Detroit Police Department.

Larry Nevers had a reputatio  for being a hardass. Over the course of 27 years he garnered about 12 complaints
That averages to less than a complaint every 2 years. Which is actually a very low average.  But his reputation and number of complaints were taken and spun to be given an exaggerated significance. 

Walter Budzyn was a stellar cop with an outstanding reputation.  No concerns of complaints or uses of force.

Were they old? Yes. A fact which should've helped their case. Given that they were old and one of them had a heart condition should've been used in their defense as to how struggling with Green was dangerous and difficult.

Incompetent? No. They knew how to find criminals, investigate dope houses, and address street crime and violent felons. Which is what they were doing. Clearly they weren't out writing traffic tickets, they were arresting a felon in possession of a felony ammount of crack cocaine.

A healthy dose of racism? No doubt that is all you see. The only thing that clearly and obviously matters to you is Green was black and  evers and Budzyn were white.

[deadz]

Detroit is a shithole

[AbrahamG]

And there you have it.
Did you know either one of them?

Notorious scumbags? Far from it. Both of them were among the highest decorated police officers in the history of the Detroit Police Department.

Larry Nevers had a reputatio  for being a hardass. Over the course of 27 years he garnered about 12 complaints
That averages to less than a complaint every 2 years. Which is actually a very low average.  But his reputation and number of complaints were taken and spun to be given an exaggerated significance. 

Walter Budzyn was a stellar cop with an outstanding reputation.  No concerns of complaints or uses of force.

Were they old? Yes. A fact which should've helped their case. Given that they were old and one of them had a heart condition should've been used in their defense as to how struggling with Green was dangerous and difficult.

Incompetent? No. They knew how to find criminals, investigate dope houses, and address street crime and violent felons. Which is what they were doing. Clearly they weren't out writing traffic tickets, they were arresting a felon in possession of a felony ammount of crack cocaine.

A healthy dose of racism? No doubt that is all you see. The only thing that clearly and obviously matters to you is Green was black and  evers and Budzyn were white.

Whatever you need to tell yourself champ. 

[beakdoctor]

Whatever you need to tell yourself champ.

The disappointment is that you're a pretty sharp guy. That is really the heartbreaking part of it all. Despite your obvious intelligence you will always fall for the bullshit politics that hold your own 'community' back and just obliterates places like the cass corridor. You'll continuously be strung along at the lowest level by politicians, judges, DA's whoever tells you "it's not your fault "

Ive seen your posts. You're smarter than that. Yet you still buy it.

Sure crack wasn't the problem.  Ruthless drug dealers weren't the problem.  Desperate drug addicts weren't the problem. Riots weren't the problem..... no Detroit is a shithole bevause of 2 white cops.

How msny white cops sold Malice Green crack cocaine?

How many white cops are responsible for the 300 plus homicides that happen in Detroit every year?

How many recidivist felons have killed after Kym Worthy let them out of jail or dropped their charges?

Budzyn and Nevers were locked up for the rest of their lives and that neighborhood syill became a war zone.

That dope house still sold dope.

Riots still happened .

Thst was 30 fucking years ago and drug dealers and guns still claim the streets of Detroit.

You know better. But continue to lie to yourself. Champ.


Yeah. Hah. Too many cops in Detroit is the problem . Lol .

Look , whatever man I left Detroit because its a revolving door of black liberal lunacy (which is just as destructive as white liberal lunacy but a bit different) so help yourself to it.

Who do you got for Charlo Castano II?

[AbrahamG]

I'm not black. There were no riots after Malice Green. Detroit still has problems. But nothing like 30 years ago. I could barely afford to live in the Cass Corridor these days. We're not going to change each other's minds so I'd prefer to keep things civil. On to bigger and better things like Charlo Castano II... I want Castano but Charlo seems to get better in rematches. If it goes 12, it's Castano. Inside the distance Charlo. I know, I'm not really going out on a limb. Lol. I can't decide. I'm still kicking myself in the nuts for not getting on Bivol.  Fuck! 

[beakdoctor]

I'm not black. There were no riots after Malice Green. Detroit still has problems. But nothing like 30 years ago. I could barely afford to live in the Cass Corridor these days. We're not going to change each other's minds so I'd prefer to keep things civil. On to bigger and better things like Charlo Castano II... I want Castano but Charlo seems to get better in rematches. If it goes 12, it's Castano. Inside the distance Charlo. I know, I'm not really going out on a limb. Lol. I can't decide. I'm still kicking myself in the nuts for not getting on Bivol.  Fuck!

Understood.  And preferable to me as well.

I like Castano.  He accomplished a lot without much hype or fanfare. This is a really tough pick. My overall feeling is that both Charlo brothers have been really underrated.  The Charlo thats fighting Castano is the better of the two  brothers.

Obviously its a pick'em fight. Im rooting for Castano.  I don't care for Charlos antics outside the ring but my  official prediction is Charlo will find a way to catch Castano before 12 rds is over. Charlo displayed the ability to hurt Castano in the first fight. I think he'll be more active and get a controversial TKO. Charlo may be behind on cards but i think he'll pull it off.

[AbrahamG]

Understood.  And preferable to me as well.

I like Castano.  He accomplished a lot without much hype or fanfare. This is a really tough pick. My overall feeling is that both Charlo brothers have been really underrated.  The Charlo thats fighting Castano is the better of the two  brothers.

Obviously its a pick'em fight. Im rooting for Castano.  I don't care for Charlos antics outside the ring but my  official prediction is Charlo will find a way to catch Castano before 12 rds is over. Charlo displayed the ability to hurt Castano in the first fight. I think he'll be more active and get a controversial TKO. Charlo may be behind on cards but i think he'll pull it off.

Solid analysis.  I thought Castano pretty clearly won the 1st fight.  Draw wasn't highway robbery but I thought Castano won.  Charlo is a mean dude and I think you are right about him finding a way to get it done inside the distance.  What are the odds going into this fight?

[beakdoctor]

Solid analysis.  I thought Castano pretty clearly won the 1st fight.  Draw wasn't highway robbery but I thought Castano won.  Charlo is a mean dude and I think you are right about him finding a way to get it done inside the distance.  What are the odds going into this fight?

Charlo is the favorite -210 to Castano +170..

About a week after the first match I met Steve Wiesfield in a bar down in Orlando.  He was the only judge that scored it for Castano.  He also gave Charlo a 10-8 round in the 10th and still had it for Castano.

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